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Geoffrey
Aug 26, 2014 20:07:04 GMT
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Post by ayem on Aug 26, 2014 20:07:04 GMT
Stoke is still the best place for Cameron. All the moves we made this off-season speak of a team wanting to make a run in cup play. The depth of players in utility roles speaks to this. Cameron and PO both came off world cup duties and PO played last game because there was a need. Cameron could rest because Bardsley is fit enough for the role.
I think Cameron can hammer out a starting role in the squad, and rotate during cup play.
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Post by bolders on Aug 26, 2014 20:21:44 GMT
If Inter came in for Geoff I'd be happy for him to go for a good price. Shows how far we have come and I wouldn't wanna stand in his way to play for a team like that
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2014 20:49:53 GMT
Well, there's been no improvement on him based on performances so far. Wouldn't sell him unless we had somebody more capable lined up. Look at it from a different perspective. For a club our size we have a massive squad which is filled with some high earners who aren't regulars in the starting 11. We haven't spent much in transfer fees but you can probably have a safe bet that we've bought in some more relatively big earners which means our wage budget is stretched. I know for certain that there are some players who the manager would willingly let leave (Palacios, Walters, Crouch, Adam) but seemingly no-one wants these guys. As such, we may have to reluctantly let go a couple of players who we would ordinarily like to stay. Let's assume that Cameron is one such player for the moment. You say that there's been no improvement on Cameron and whilst that may be true, it is also true to say that there has been no decline either. Cameron and Bardsley offer different qualities but at present, the difference between the two is marginal-non existant. On that basis, a top heavy squad maintains the same quality by bringing in a right back on a free transfer and ends up selling the existing player for 3-4m, thus bringing some revenue into the club and losing a wage in the process, all whilst not weakening the team. When viewed from that perspective it makes sense. For me, Cameron is a utility player and a useful player to have in the squad. Wilson is the same type of player and can pretty much fill in the same positions. For me, one of Cameron or Wilson leaves. I would get rid of Wilson ahead of Cameron but no-one seems to want Wilson either, so Cameron is the fall guy. Spot on though I would rather lose Cameron than Wilson. At least Wilson has played at centre back for a prolonged period. Cameron for me is not premier league quality. I admire his workrate, and he improved last season and put in a few decent performances. But in the full back position is positioning is awful and he is a weak link at the back. He gets beaten by a tricky winger very easily, he always gets caught square on when he faces up to a good attacking player. He is not quick over short distances and when he is attacking he has one trick, he always turns inside and plays a ball to no one in particular with the outside of his foot. I am not too impressed with Bardsley so far but he is a better player than Geoff and certainly better in an attacking sense. I hope he plays tomorrow as he along with diouf need games under their belts and they will start to gel with the other players better. If we recoup our money on Cameron then I would be happy, we have got a couple of seasons out of him and it didn't cost us that much
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 26, 2014 21:53:31 GMT
Stoke is still the best place for Cameron. All the moves we made this off-season speak of a team wanting to make a run in cup play. The depth of players in utility roles speaks to this. Cameron and PO both came off world cup duties and PO played last game because there was a need. Cameron could rest because Bardsley is fit enough for the role. I think Cameron can hammer out a starting role in the squad, and rotate during cup play. What position do you think he could get a regular starting place, bearing in mind the amount of other players front of him in most roles?
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Post by Miles Offside on Aug 26, 2014 22:40:46 GMT
I hope Geoff Cameron stays at Stoke.
Either the billionaire Coates family could add another few million to their wealth, or we could hang on to a good, solid pro who can cover several positions.
Unless we sold Geoff in order to replace him with better (and where would we fit this better replacement in our starting eleven?) then we're better hanging on to him.
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Post by YounginStoke on Aug 26, 2014 23:30:09 GMT
Geoff might be giving us subtle hints as to where he might be moving to if he leaves us, if his twitter is anything to go by! Attachment Deleted
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 26, 2014 23:33:26 GMT
Why any person in the public eye would actively track what people say about you on Twatter I do not know!
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 26, 2014 23:33:50 GMT
Non of those are by him though are they? Even if this turns to nothing, at least you learnt how to take a screen capture
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Post by YounginStoke on Aug 26, 2014 23:36:52 GMT
Non of those are by him though are they? Even if this turns to nothing, at least you learnt how to take a screen capture They're just him favoriting other peoples tweets, so no he hasn't said anything. I thought I knew but it didn't work so I had to google it, so I've learnt something new yeah!
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 26, 2014 23:37:44 GMT
Non of those are by him though are they? Even if this turns to nothing, at least you learnt how to take a screen capture They're just him favoriting other peoples tweets, so no he hasn't said anything. I thought I knew but it didn't work so I had to google it, so I've learnt something new yeah! In that case maybe I should google how twitter works
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 26, 2014 23:40:11 GMT
I wonder who the first Stoke fan will be to tweet him, call him names and then get blocked because of those tweets?
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Geoffrey
Aug 27, 2014 0:05:10 GMT
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Post by coates on Aug 27, 2014 0:05:10 GMT
I wonder who the first Stoke fan will be to tweet him, call him names and then get blocked because of those tweets? You?
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Post by pulismaskreplica on Aug 27, 2014 0:21:41 GMT
Why any person in the public eye would actively track what people say about you on Twatter I do not know! He's obviously excited to see himself linked with Lazio - a bit like when a kid gets one of those books at Christmas with Santa mentioning their own name
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Post by Olgrligm on Aug 27, 2014 1:09:24 GMT
There's an early episode of The Sopranos where Chris Moltisanti is mentioned in passing in a tiny newspaper report on mob activoty, leading him to take an entire stack of those newspapers.
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Post by tarheel on Aug 27, 2014 1:15:27 GMT
Geoff's a twitterfile. This is significant.
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Geoffrey
Aug 27, 2014 1:22:25 GMT
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Post by djduncanjames on Aug 27, 2014 1:22:25 GMT
I'm going home to fetch my shine box
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Post by claudinho on Aug 27, 2014 4:42:42 GMT
Imbeciles.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 27, 2014 6:53:34 GMT
I hope Geoff Cameron stays at Stoke. Either the billionaire Coates family could add another few million to their wealth, or we could hang on to a good, solid pro who can cover several positions. Unless we sold Geoff in order to replace him with better (and where would we fit this better replacement in our starting eleven?) then we're better hanging on to him. I'm sure we'd prefer to do that. But the player wants to play.
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Post by jeycov on Aug 27, 2014 7:23:02 GMT
Looks like MH has the opportunity to play him tonight as Bardsley is carrying an injury - RB isn't his preferred position so does he really want to stay without being given a chance in midfield?
4 Premiership Clubs knocked out yesterday - we can't afford too much swapping / changing imo
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Geoffrey
Aug 27, 2014 7:25:45 GMT
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Post by metalhead on Aug 27, 2014 7:25:45 GMT
Geoff will play tonight. It's at least a chance to impress, and depending on what's going on behind closed doors maybe a goodbye. I hope not as I believe Cameron has a future at Stoke.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 27, 2014 7:50:46 GMT
JournalSunderland are ready to move for Stoke City midfielder Geoff Cameron – as AC Milan make a move for long-term target Fabio Borini. Cameron, who is agitating for a move away from Stoke, is understood to be one of their prime targets.
Stoke want to keep Cameron but Sunderland are one of a number of Premier League clubs who have been alerted to his openness to a move away from the Potteries
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Post by lostinafrenchbar on Aug 27, 2014 7:51:54 GMT
He doesn't feel he's doing the right job at Stoke. The club don't think he's doing the right job at Stoke. Most people on here don't seem to think he's doing the right job at Stoke. The answer seems straightforward enough. Personally I'd like him to stay, but there you go.
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Geoffrey
Aug 27, 2014 7:56:09 GMT
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Post by malteser68 on Aug 27, 2014 7:56:09 GMT
Look at it from a different perspective. For a club our size we have a massive squad which is filled with some high earners who aren't regulars in the starting 11. We haven't spent much in transfer fees but you can probably have a safe bet that we've bought in some more relatively big earners which means our wage budget is stretched. I know for certain that there are some players who the manager would willingly let leave (Palacios, Walters, Crouch, Adam) but seemingly no-one wants these guys. As such, we may have to reluctantly let go a couple of players who we would ordinarily like to stay. Let's assume that Cameron is one such player for the moment. You say that there's been no improvement on Cameron and whilst that may be true, it is also true to say that there has been no decline either. Cameron and Bardsley offer different qualities but at present, the difference between the two is marginal-non existant. On that basis, a top heavy squad maintains the same quality by bringing in a right back on a free transfer and ends up selling the existing player for 3-4m, thus bringing some revenue into the club and losing a wage in the process, all whilst not weakening the team. When viewed from that perspective it makes sense. For me, Cameron is a utility player and a useful player to have in the squad. Wilson is the same type of player and can pretty much fill in the same positions. For me, one of Cameron or Wilson leaves. I would get rid of Wilson ahead of Cameron but no-one seems to want Wilson either, so Cameron is the fall guy. Spot on though I would rather lose Cameron than Wilson. At least Wilson has played at centre back for a prolonged period. Cameron for me is not premier league quality. I admire his workrate, and he improved last season and put in a few decent performances. But in the full back position is positioning is awful and he is a weak link at the back. He gets beaten by a tricky winger very easily, he always gets caught square on when he faces up to a good attacking player. He is not quick over short distances and when he is attacking he has one trick, he always turns inside and plays a ball to no one in particular with the outside of his foot. I am not too impressed with Bardsley so far but he is a better player than Geoff and certainly better in an attacking sense. I hope he plays tomorrow as he along with diouf need games under their belts and they will start to gel with the other players better. If we recoup our money on Cameron then I would be happy, we have got a couple of seasons out of him and it didn't cost us that much cameron is not premier league quality ? So what level would wilko be in if one were to use the same measuring stick ??!!!
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Post by foster on Aug 27, 2014 7:57:44 GMT
I wouldn't put him in the group of players we should be trying to sell, but if a decent offer comes along and we sign someone else (not necessarily for the same position) AND he want's to leave, then I'd make the deal.
Wouldn't like it if we sold him and just pocketed the cash though.
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Post by slpmarc on Aug 27, 2014 8:25:23 GMT
Spot on though I would rather lose Cameron than Wilson. At least Wilson has played at centre back for a prolonged period. Cameron for me is not premier league quality. I admire his workrate, and he improved last season and put in a few decent performances. But in the full back position is positioning is awful and he is a weak link at the back. He gets beaten by a tricky winger very easily, he always gets caught square on when he faces up to a good attacking player. He is not quick over short distances and when he is attacking he has one trick, he always turns inside and plays a ball to no one in particular with the outside of his foot. I am not too impressed with Bardsley so far but he is a better player than Geoff and certainly better in an attacking sense. I hope he plays tomorrow as he along with diouf need games under their belts and they will start to gel with the other players better. If we recoup our money on Cameron then I would be happy, we have got a couple of seasons out of him and it didn't cost us that much cameron is not premier league quality ? So what level would wilko be in if one were to use the same measuring stick ??!!! Not premiership quality? That's why half the league want him plus 2 German sides and lazio Even though playing in a position he even says himself is not his best, but played it for the need of the team he was the countries second highest tackler and second highest interceptor. Trying to think what exactly to you have to do to be premiership quality?
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Post by pedro23 on Aug 27, 2014 8:31:46 GMT
He doesn't feel he's doing the right job at Stoke. The club don't think he's doing the right job at Stoke. Most people on here don't seem to think he's doing the right job at Stoke. The answer seems straightforward enough. Personally I'd like him to stay, but there you go. Only the Manager can give him the opportunity to do a right job, by playing him in a preferred position. If that doesn't happen, or if it does and he fails to impress, then he should go
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Post by stokiejoe on Aug 27, 2014 8:37:16 GMT
cameron is not premier league quality ? So what level would wilko be in if one were to use the same measuring stick ??!!! Not premiership quality? That's why half the league want him plus 2 German sides and lazio Even though playing in a position he Evan says himself is not his best, but played it for the need of the team he was the countries second highest tackler and second highest interceptor. Trying to think what exactly to you have to do to be premiership quality? Half the league? I've told you a million times don't exaggerate!
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 27, 2014 8:38:39 GMT
Do we know if Hughes is adamant he isn't going - or has he been given reason to believe a decent bid will be considered?
And how serious are the likes of Lazio and Sunderland?
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Post by slpmarc on Aug 27, 2014 8:43:52 GMT
Do we know if Hughes is adamant he isn't going - or has he been given reason to believe a decent bid will be considered? And how serious are the likes of Lazio and Sunderland? Lazio is serious, Geoff has been told he will be given opportunity to play in his preferred positions, but will he is the question. He starts tonight but as CB or MF
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Aug 27, 2014 8:52:55 GMT
As Dave Johnno said the squad is too big. I'm sure the bean counters will be looking for ways to trim the wage bill this week.
Our wages to turnover ratio is too high.
I agree that Geoff offers cover for a number of positions, but if everybody's fit I don't see him as a starter this season. Obviously he may not want that. There is only going to be demand for certain players, and they may decide to sell what they can to look after the wage bill.
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