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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 26, 2014 11:17:00 GMT
I'd agree - based solely on the two shambolic games we've seen so far. But it'd be harsh to tear everything up on the basis of that, wouldn't it? Shambolic......surely you mean poor ? 0-1 and an away 1-1 is surely not Shambolic !! Maybe a bit of hyperbole there. But I'm struggling to take anything positive from either performance.
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Post by metalhead on Aug 26, 2014 11:21:14 GMT
And he's a top player...? Better than we have! OK. Just wondering.
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Post by werrington on Aug 26, 2014 11:25:19 GMT
Shambolic......surely you mean poor ? 0-1 and an away 1-1 is surely not Shambolic !! Maybe a bit of hyperbole there. But I'm struggling to take anything positive from either performance. The positives I would take FM would be that both teams dropped back to 2 banks of 4 and dug deep If I'm bring honest I'd be pissed off if I was a Hull fan for playing those tactics against us as in the general context 10 v 11 between two evenly matched squads is hardly enough to retreat to those tactics ....especially at home That's a compliment to me mate
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Post by pedro23 on Aug 26, 2014 11:46:38 GMT
I'd agree - based solely on the two shambolic games we've seen so far. But it'd be harsh to tear everything up on the basis of that, wouldn't it? Shambolic......surely you mean poor ? 0-1 and an away 1-1 is surely not Shambolic !! Not suggesting tear everything up, just that no one at present could say they have a secure starting position, apart from our two mainstays Bego and Shawcross. A good performance against Pompey, could see him make the cut for the Man City game
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Aug 26, 2014 11:59:00 GMT
After seeing Bards Id prefer Gcam to stay, especially when you think we would only have Wilko as back up.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Aug 26, 2014 12:04:57 GMT
Shambolic......surely you mean poor ? 0-1 and an away 1-1 is surely not Shambolic !! Not suggesting tear everything up, just that no one at present could say they have a secure starting position, apart from our two mainstays Bego and Shawcross. A good performance against Pompey, could see him make the cut for the Man City game I wouldnt be telling Begovic that hes a guaranteed starter. He needs to wake back up or Jack Butland should be getting his opportunity.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 26, 2014 12:15:58 GMT
Well, there's been no improvement on him based on performances so far. Wouldn't sell him unless we had somebody more capable lined up. Look at it from a different perspective. For a club our size we have a massive squad which is filled with some high earners who aren't regulars in the starting 11. We haven't spent much in transfer fees but you can probably have a safe bet that we've bought in some more relatively big earners which means our wage budget is stretched. I know for certain that there are some players who the manager would willingly let leave (Palacios, Walters, Crouch, Adam) but seemingly no-one wants these guys. As such, we may have to reluctantly let go a couple of players who we would ordinarily like to stay. Let's assume that Cameron is one such player for the moment. You say that there's been no improvement on Cameron and whilst that may be true, it is also true to say that there has been no decline either. Cameron and Bardsley offer different qualities but at present, the difference between the two is marginal-non existant. On that basis, a top heavy squad maintains the same quality by bringing in a right back on a free transfer and ends up selling the existing player for 3-4m, thus bringing some revenue into the club and losing a wage in the process, all whilst not weakening the team. When viewed from that perspective it makes sense. For me, Cameron is a utility player and a useful player to have in the squad. Wilson is the same type of player and can pretty much fill in the same positions. For me, one of Cameron or Wilson leaves. I would get rid of Wilson ahead of Cameron but no-one seems to want Wilson either, so Cameron is the fall guy.
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Post by march4 on Aug 26, 2014 12:35:42 GMT
For me, we have 3 utility defenders vying for 2 places on the bench; Muni, Wilson and Cameron.
One isn't even going to get a sub's space when all are fit. We even have Wilko as backup to the bench.
For that reason, it makes sense to sell one of Muni, Wilson or Cameron as our wage bill needs trimming. It is up to LMH to pick who goes. I'm happy to trust him.
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Post by jezzascfc on Aug 26, 2014 12:41:47 GMT
If Cameron leaves without ever being tried by Hughes in the role he starred in when starting for the first time v Arsenal (defensive midfield) I think it would be a shame and an opportunity missed - especially when the man who plays there regularly, whilst steady enough, does not really pull up any trees (Whelan). Geoff has strength, height and athleticism on his side, as well as looking more able to drive the side forward from that position.
If Hughes views him as a right back and centre back option alone, which it seems he does, then I agree with DaveJohnno.
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Post by pedro23 on Aug 26, 2014 13:04:58 GMT
Not suggesting tear everything up, just that no one at present could say they have a secure starting position, apart from our two mainstays Bego and Shawcross. A good performance against Pompey, could see him make the cut for the Man City game I wouldnt be telling Begovic that hes a guaranteed starter. He needs to wake back up or Jack Butland should be getting his opportunity. I personally wouldn't tell anyone they have a guaranteed place. And I don't think Hughes will either, but he would be one very brave manager to drop either of those two at the moment.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 26, 2014 13:07:17 GMT
If Cameron leaves without ever being tried by Hughes in the role he starred in when starting for the first time v Arsenal (defensive midfield) I think it would be a shame and an opportunity missed - especially when the man who plays there regularly, whilst steady enough, does not really pull up any trees (Whelan). Geoff has strength, height and athleticism on his side, as well as looking more able to drive the side forward from that position. If Hughes views him as a right back and centre back option alone, which it seems he does, then I agree with DaveJohnno. Was he really that good on his debut? I didn't think he was and thought that Whelan got him through the game when often, he didn't seem to have a clue what was going on around him. Geoff's athleticism is his biggest asset and for me, he either plays in midfield or not at all. We have Muniesa as well, who whilst playing exclusively at the back, would, in my opinion, make a fine midfield player in the role currently occupied by Whelan. Can we really afford to have 3 utility type players in the squad?
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Post by claudinho on Aug 26, 2014 13:12:36 GMT
I would be more impressed with Geoff if he had said 'I look forward to regaining my place'. After all, it should not be too hard to get back into our team right now should it ? Nonsense. Footballers are human, too. Like anyone, they dislike being slagged off. Sadly MH made a decision here that we'll have to live with.
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Post by claudinho on Aug 26, 2014 13:14:41 GMT
Geoff to Sunderland is an interesting move. Bardsley for Cameron, the difference being that one came in on a free. Tells you something.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2014 13:21:39 GMT
Much as I don't think Geoff is a full back, I don't want to see him go. I still think there is a position in the team for him!
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Post by claudinho on Aug 26, 2014 13:51:15 GMT
prosoccertalk.nbcsports.com/2014/08/25/us-star-geoff-cameron-lined-up-by-italian-giants-lazio-numerous-pl-clubs/With the transfer window set to slam shut on Monday Sept. 1 at 7 p.m. ET, Cameron’s future at Stoke hangs in the balance as he hasn’t played in any of their opening two games of the PL season. During that time Cameron was ranked second in the league in tackles made and interceptions by Opta. Cameron has played at right back for Stoke in the past two seasons and the Bostonian has excelled while playing out of position. However it is believed that Lazio, and the host of interested PL clubs, are planing to offer Cameron the chance to play in his preferred role in central defense or central midfield. As for his potential destination, Southampton seems like the biggest club Cameron could leave Stoke for. Saints are undergoing a massive rebuild and are in need of more defensive depth. While Sunderland are also a very attractive option with U.S international Jozy Altidore already on board under American owner Ellis Short. As revealed by PST back in January, Sunderland made a last gasp bid for Cameron which Stoke turned down. Now it seems like he’s almost certain to be at a new club within the next week.Not the best manner in which to conduct business, Stoke. Oh well.
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Post by keasie1863 on Aug 26, 2014 14:11:34 GMT
I would be more impressed with Geoff if he had said 'I look forward to regaining my place'. After all, it should not be too hard to get back into our team right now should it ? Instead of "fight for my place,fuck that,I'm off" Has Geoff even said that? Some random no-mark news source in the USA claims he's requested a transfer and you just believe it like a dog following a treat... Cameron's agent has already come out and denied he's put in a transfer request, so I think we can probably assume he hasn't said anything of the sort. Cameron comes across a model professional, I doubt he would handle his dissatisfaction in such a way... unlike N'Zonzi who STILL gets far less stick on here (none at all in fact). It's just funny how Premiership teams and Serie A teams are queueing up to sign him yet the Oatcake transfer nerds are so certain what a pile of shit he is. I guess all those actually working for these clubs are fucking numpties eh? Anyway, he'll probably start tomorrow so it's a good chance for him to try and regain his place against a significantly weaker team. As far as the usa claims go ,i dont know about that,so throw me another treat.of course, an agent would never release a snippet to a "no-mark" news source and then deny it,would he.as far as geoff goes i like him as a player,and hope stoke keep him,but he is no different than any other player and that includes nzonzi.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 26, 2014 14:19:05 GMT
Geoff to Sunderland is an interesting move. Bardsley for Cameron, the difference being that one came in on a free. Tells you something. What does it tell you, that one got offered a new contract and decided he wanted a change and the other does too but has time on his contract so money needs to be paid for him, or are you trying to claim ones shit because he turned down a new contract at his previous club? Edit, sorry, quoted wrong post originally.
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Post by jbstokie on Aug 26, 2014 15:06:01 GMT
Geoff to Sunderland is an interesting move. Bardsley for Cameron, the difference being that one came in on a free. Tells you something. What does it tell you, that one got offered a new contract and decided he wanted a change and the other does too but has time on his contract so money needs to be paid for him, or are you trying to claim ones shit because he turned down a new contract at his previous club? Edit, sorry, quoted wrong post originally. The bloke's deluded, he's been told multiple times that Sunderland offered him a new contract but he still claims they didn't want him.
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Post by keasie1863 on Aug 26, 2014 15:13:46 GMT
Instead of "fight for my place,fuck that,I'm off" Depends if the manager see his place as RB or midfield. Would you fight for a job you don't want Didnt he play at Rb under tp.and as for fighting for a job you dont want,most of us do that day in day out.unfortunately.
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Post by salopstick on Aug 26, 2014 15:20:37 GMT
For me, we have 3 utility defenders vying for 2 places on the bench; Muni, Wilson and Cameron. One isn't even going to get a sub's space when all are fit. We even have Wilko as backup to the bench. For that reason, it makes sense to sell one of Muni, Wilson or Cameron as our wage bill needs trimming. It is up to LMH to pick who goes. I'm happy to trust him. thats a fair assesment as long as its not muni then im fine with either
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Aug 26, 2014 15:40:51 GMT
What's with the shock, this has been on the cards since about March! Yep, the number of bollockings and TP style gesticulations in his direction had long been a feature of second half of last season. Geoff was very decent at the start but was our main weak link during a very good run of form. The signing of Bardsley was the death knell in my opinion.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 26, 2014 15:43:51 GMT
What's with the shock, this has been on the cards since about March! Yep, the number of bollockings and TP style gesticulations in his direction had long been a feature of second half of last season. Geoff was very decent at the start but was our main weak link during a very good run of form. The signing of Bardsley was the death knell in my opinion. Agree with all of that bar Bardsley tbh. That was the death knell at right back, the coup de Grace was Sidwell. It effectively ended any chance of regularish football at the club. In two signings he was done.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 26, 2014 15:50:10 GMT
Geoff to Sunderland is an interesting move. Bardsley for Cameron, the difference being that one came in on a free. Tells you something. This made no sense the first time you posted it. It makes no sense now.
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Post by nott1 on Aug 26, 2014 16:22:15 GMT
If Sunderland want him I think we should swap for Cattermole, a definite Whelan upgrade.
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Post by vahl on Aug 26, 2014 16:24:47 GMT
Am I the only person who opens the Oatcake and sees 'Geoffrey' and smiles?
I must be having a slow day or something but it has tickled me a few times.
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Post by claudinho on Aug 26, 2014 18:46:36 GMT
Geoff to Sunderland is an interesting move. Bardsley for Cameron, the difference being that one came in on a free. Tells you something. What does it tell you, that one got offered a new contract and decided he wanted a change and the other does too but has time on his contract so money needs to be paid for him, or are you trying to claim ones shit because he turned down a new contract at his previous club? Edit, sorry, quoted wrong post originally. Having watched a number of Sunderland's games last year, it tells me that there was little due diligence here. Sunderland no longer wanted him, and offered him very little to stay.
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Post by claudinho on Aug 26, 2014 18:48:24 GMT
Geoff to Sunderland is an interesting move. Bardsley for Cameron, the difference being that one came in on a free. Tells you something. This made no sense the first time you posted it. It makes no sense now. Let me try again, then, as you clearly need repetition. Not a problem, mind. You're a wee bit slow. Sunderland didn't want Phil Phil was offered a token contract Phil left Sunderland are willing to pay for Geoff I trust you are able to process, mate.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 26, 2014 18:55:13 GMT
What does it tell you, that one got offered a new contract and decided he wanted a change and the other does too but has time on his contract so money needs to be paid for him, or are you trying to claim ones shit because he turned down a new contract at his previous club? Edit, sorry, quoted wrong post originally. Having watched a number of Sunderland's games last year, it tells me that there was little due diligence here. Sunderland no longer wanted him, and offered him very little to stay. Haha what utter shit you're speaking, its okay if you have an irrational hatred of him, just say it rather than making things up.
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Aug 26, 2014 18:56:01 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 26, 2014 18:56:01 GMT
This made no sense the first time you posted it. It makes no sense now. Let me try again, then, as you clearly need repetition. Not a problem, mind. You're a wee bit slow. Sunderland didn't want Phil Phil was offered a token contract Phil left Sunderland are willing to pay for Geoff I trust you are able to process, mate. If they didn't want him, why would they go to the bother of offering him a new contract?
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Aug 26, 2014 18:59:26 GMT
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Post by sportsman on Aug 26, 2014 18:59:26 GMT
'Sunderland didn't want phil'
'Sunderland offered phil token contract'
Pisser!!
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