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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2014 16:20:59 GMT
Probably not the weak link most would have you believe. Mark Hughes' biggest mistake today was not being bold in his decision of who to play up front. I thought before the match it wouldn't work with all 3 of Ireland, Bojan and Diouf in the side. On the evidence of today, I am convinced of that. I do admire the freedom and fluidity that the manager afforded the side, but neither Bojan or Diouf looked comfortable out right. Both are without doubt central players. You either play them both through the middle and drop Ireland, or play Ireland and have the bollocks to drop one of the big names. It'd be for the benefit of the team. Bottom line, we missed Odemwingie and Cameron today. And we suffered from not having a focal point of attack. The way forward isn't to play them all and just hope it works itself out. No need for knee jerk reactions of course but some of the players absent today did their case no harm. chiefdelilah - thoughts? |
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Post by PotterLog on Aug 16, 2014 16:24:33 GMT
Watching Bardsley today it struck me that it was exactly like watching Cameron, but without the saving grace of being good on the ball.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2014 16:25:33 GMT
Was worried that Bojan reminded me of Tuncay. A talent, but not a clue where to fit him in. Agree about Cameron though
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Post by stokemanusa on Aug 16, 2014 16:27:18 GMT
Probably not the weak link most would have you believe. Mark Hughes' biggest mistake today was not being bold in his decision of who to play up front. I thought before the match it wouldn't work with all 3 of Ireland, Bojan and Diouf in the side. On the evidence of today, I am convinced of that. I do admire the freedom and fluidity that the manager afforded the side, but neither Bojan or Diouf looked comfortable out right. Both are without doubt central players. You either play them both through the middle and drop Ireland, or play Ireland and have the bollocks to drop one of the big names. It'd be for the benefit of the team. Bottom line, we missed Odemwingie and Cameron today. And we suffered from not having a focal point of attack. The way forward isn't to play them all and just hope it works itself out. No need for knee jerk reactions of course but some of the players absent today did their case no harm. chiefdelilah - thoughts? Does "You dont know what you have till it's gone" Ring a bell? I agree 100% with this. Was telling Cameron is the better option he and PO work hard to bring it up the pitch, dribbling. Pass pass pass only works with off the ball workrate and we had none today. But was I was slagged off... heh. |
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Post by PotterLog on Aug 16, 2014 16:27:30 GMT
Bojan didn't look anywhere near as incisive and effective as Tuncay today.
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Post by Olgrligm on Aug 16, 2014 16:28:28 GMT
Two paragraphs compalining about our forward line and the solution is that we missed Cameron. Interesting, and just a tiny bit obsessive.
Agree about Odemwingie though. We needed another option down the right, especially late in the game.
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Post by metalhead on Aug 16, 2014 16:29:54 GMT
I've said all along I don't see Bardsley as much as improvement, if at all.
I've noticed a few people have gone quiet on the subject, funny that. Geoff > Phil imo, any day.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2014 16:30:59 GMT
Two paragraphs compalining about our forward line and the solution is that we missed Cameron. Interesting, and just a tiny bit obsessive. Agree about Odemwingie though. We needed another option down the right, especially late in the game. The point being our right hand side was non existent. I.e. Cameron and Odemwingie |
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Aug 16, 2014 16:31:18 GMT
I definitely prefer Cameron's first touch to Bardsley's, bardsley made some great runs today but couldn't kill the ball and control it to make a cross. Still, hard to say who is better when we've only seen bardsley in one game for us, and the whole team was poor in that one game.
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Post by stokemanusa on Aug 16, 2014 16:32:46 GMT
Two paragraphs compalining about our forward line and the solution is that we missed Cameron. Interesting, and just a tiny bit obsessive. Agree about Odemwingie though. We needed another option down the right, especially late in the game. Obsessive? If anything its been the minority view. Its bordeline fanactial that bardsley "is better" spoutted by bayern and the like lol he was quite slow, looks unfit and has the touch if a rapist trying to get going on a dribble... he had one good shot and was physical when he could catch his man but your one of the Cameron hate squad so no matter how slow or subpar someone else is you don't care. Well PO is fine but tell us who last season behind PO brought the ball from the back to him? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2014 16:36:43 GMT
Two paragraphs compalining about our forward line and the solution is that we missed Cameron. Interesting, and just a tiny bit obsessive. Agree about Odemwingie though. We needed another option down the right, especially late in the game. Obsessive? If anything its been the minority view. Its bordeline fanactial that bardsley "is better" spoutted by bayern and the like lol he was quite slow, looks unfit and has the touch if a rapist trying to get going on a dribble... he had one good shot and was physical when he could catch his man but your one of the Cameron hate squad so no matter how slow or subpar someone else is you don't care. Well PO is fine but tell us who last season behind PO brought the ball from the back to him? One thing is for sure, the writing off of Geoff Cameron looks very premature. |
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Post by stokemanusa on Aug 16, 2014 16:37:19 GMT
I definitely prefer Cameron's first touch to Bardsley's, bardsley made some great runs today but couldn't kill the ball and control it to make a cross. Still, hard to say who is better when we've only seen bardsley in one game for us, and the whole team was poor in that one game. What you think of his fitness? |
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Post by Kjones9 on Aug 16, 2014 16:38:19 GMT
Obsessive? If anything its been the minority view. Its bordeline fanactial that bardsley "is better" spoutted by bayern and the like lol he was quite slow, looks unfit and has the touch if a rapist trying to get going on a dribble... he had one good shot and was physical when he could catch his man but your one of the Cameron hate squad so no matter how slow or subpar someone else is you don't care. Well PO is fine but tell us who last season behind PO brought the ball from the back to him? One thing is for sure, the writing off of Geoff Cameron looks very premature. But the writing off of Bardsley isn't? |
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Post by stokemanusa on Aug 16, 2014 16:39:27 GMT
Obsessive? If anything its been the minority view. Its bordeline fanactial that bardsley "is better" spoutted by bayern and the like lol he was quite slow, looks unfit and has the touch if a rapist trying to get going on a dribble... he had one good shot and was physical when he could catch his man but your one of the Cameron hate squad so no matter how slow or subpar someone else is you don't care. Well PO is fine but tell us who last season behind PO brought the ball from the back to him? One thing is for sure, the writing off of Geoff Cameron looks very premature. You'd think right? But not to 75% of the goons on here. Bardsley's fitness and touch worries me the most. He had some knocks but looked to ease off at times same goes for Arnie and Whelan today. Worrying. |
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 16, 2014 16:40:28 GMT
Our problems lie in the centre of the park. Mystified how Sidwell wasn't playing and Whelan was.
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Post by stokemanusa on Aug 16, 2014 16:41:42 GMT
Our problems lie in the centre of the park. Mystified how Sidwell wasn't playing and Whelan was. How can the midfield get the ball when they dont move to get it or our fullbacks can't dribble past to get a better pass? It goes both ways. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2014 16:41:45 GMT
One thing is for sure, the writing off of Geoff Cameron looks very premature. But the writing off of Bardsley isn't? I haven't written him off. I've said for a long time there is a space for both in the squad. It's others that have suggested we should sell him (Cameron). The same people that seem to have forgotten Odemwingie's contribution last season too. |
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Post by stokiejoe on Aug 16, 2014 16:42:39 GMT
Not sure it was the right match to sit in judgement on any of our players today including Bego. One match, especially this one not enough.
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Post by Kjones9 on Aug 16, 2014 16:42:52 GMT
But the writing off of Bardsley isn't? I haven't written him off. I've said for a long time there is a space for both in the squad. It's others that have suggested we should sell him (Cameron). The same people that seem to have forgotten Odemwingie's contribution last season too. Sorry. I agree. |
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Post by stokefaninde on Aug 16, 2014 16:45:14 GMT
One thing is for sure, the writing off of Geoff Cameron looks very premature. But the writing off of Bardsley isn't? I think Bardsley has a great future with this club. As cover for Geoff.... |
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Post by claudinho on Aug 16, 2014 16:45:55 GMT
One thing is for sure, the writing off of Geoff Cameron looks very premature. But the writing off of Bardsley isn't? There's a massive difference. Cameron was on the pitch 99% of the time for a Stoke side that did well last term. Perhaps he was due benefit of the doubt more than a new player who came from a bottom of the table side? |
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Post by stokemanusa on Aug 16, 2014 16:46:28 GMT
But the writing off of Bardsley isn't? I haven't written him off. I've said for a long time there is a space for both in the squad. It's others that have suggested we should sell him (Cameron). The same people that seem to have forgotten Odemwingie's contribution last season too. Bardsley's dribbling is the worry, PO and Cameron opened up passing lanes. Bardsley's a hard charging fb but without dribbling it was evident that we missed PO and Cameron's ball skills trying to breakdown a good defence. Not writing bardsley off, just saying going forward to attack... rather have the two that worked for us so well last season. Bardsley Ireland/ Bojan dont work. PO, Cameron did we looked like last years Sunderland today. Miss seeing Cameron and PO darting down one on one vs a defender in our own half. Not 1 stoke defender took on his man today in our end. Complete pass, pass, pass. |
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Post by Clayton Wood on Aug 16, 2014 16:51:52 GMT
I haven't written him off. I've said for a long time there is a space for both in the squad. It's others that have suggested we should sell him (Cameron). The same people that seem to have forgotten Odemwingie's contribution last season too. Bardsley's dribbling is the worry, PO and Cameron opened up passing lanes. Bardsley's a hard charging fb but without dribbling it was evident that we missed PO and Cameron's ball skills trying to breakdown a good defence. Not writing bardsley off, just saying going forward to attack... rather have the two that worked for us so well last season. Bardsley Ireland/ Bojan dont work. PO, Cameron did we looked like last years Sunderland today. Miss seeing Cameron and PO darting down one on one vs a defender in our own half. Not 1 stoke defender took on his man today in our end. Complete pass, pass, pass. You've just made a case for Ryan Bale Shotton there <shudder> |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2014 16:59:26 GMT
But the writing off of Bardsley isn't? There's a massive difference. Cameron was on the pitch 99% of the time for a Stoke side that did well last term. Perhaps he was due benefit of the doubt more than a new player who came from a bottom of the table side? Like Wilson, Cameron did enough to keep the shirt last season in my opinion. It should've been his to lose. At Hull I'd start Odemwingie on the right and drop one of Ireland, Diouf and Bojan. |
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Post by stokemanusa on Aug 16, 2014 16:59:51 GMT
Bardsley's dribbling is the worry, PO and Cameron opened up passing lanes. Bardsley's a hard charging fb but without dribbling it was evident that we missed PO and Cameron's ball skills trying to breakdown a good defence. Not writing bardsley off, just saying going forward to attack... rather have the two that worked for us so well last season. Bardsley Ireland/ Bojan dont work. PO, Cameron did we looked like last years Sunderland today. Miss seeing Cameron and PO darting down one on one vs a defender in our own half. Not 1 stoke defender took on his man today in our end. Complete pass, pass, pass. You've just made a case for Ryan Bale Shotton there <shudder> Just an observation and a worry, it's early but it HAS been stated. Hopefully it was nerves on his debut and hughes will sort it but he needs to work on going forward and passing on the move and receiving the ball then his first touch. I think its fitness aswell... |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2014 17:00:17 GMT
Bardsley needed cover today, and got absolutely none.
Not really worse than anyone else
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Aug 16, 2014 17:01:17 GMT
I definitely prefer Cameron's first touch to Bardsley's, bardsley made some great runs today but couldn't kill the ball and control it to make a cross. Still, hard to say who is better when we've only seen bardsley in one game for us, and the whole team was poor in that one game. What you think of his fitness? didnt see a problem with it. The two times he went down had me worried about injuries, but he didn't seem gassed at the end. I really liked our team last season, and aside from bojan for walters wouldn't have changed the starting lineup from our last game. |
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Post by stokemanusa on Aug 16, 2014 17:05:55 GMT
What you think of his fitness? didnt see a problem with it. The two times he went down had me worried about injuries, but he didn't seem gassed at the end. I really liked our team last season, and aside from bojan for walters wouldn't have changed the starting lineup from our last game. Ditto. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 16, 2014 17:08:22 GMT
I've said all along I don't see Bardsley as much as improvement, if at all. I've noticed a few people have gone quiet on the subject, funny that. Geoff > Phil imo, any day. I'll pipe up then, Cameron is still shit at RB. |
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Aug 16, 2014 17:13:21 GMT
To answer the question Cameron still looks as shit as he always was.
Like he did in the 2nd match in the world cup.
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