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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 17, 2014 9:54:52 GMT
Two paragraphs compalining about our forward line and the solution is that we missed Cameron. Interesting, and just a tiny bit obsessive. Agree about Odemwingie though. We needed another option down the right, especially late in the game. Obsessive? If anything its been the minority view. Its bordeline fanactial that bardsley "is better" spoutted by bayern and the like lol he was quite slow, looks unfit and has the touch if a rapist trying to get going on a dribble... he had one good shot and was physical when he could catch his man but your one of the Cameron hate squad so no matter how slow or subpar someone else is you don't care. Well PO is fine but tell us who last season behind PO brought the ball from the back to him?
I don't know how you think you can get away with this nonsense.
Bayern has said from day one that he thinks Bardsley is shit but you think you can just make stuff up to suggest the opposite is true.
Most people haven't been saying that Bardsley is a top right back at all but rather have been commenting on what they thought Mark Hughes was going to do.
ie. Make Bardsley first choice right back and that Cameron (at best) might get a spot on the bench and as result of that he might not be happy with such a scenario and thus look to move on.
Hey and come first game of the season ... Geoff Cameron didn't even make the bench.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 17, 2014 9:56:12 GMT
I don't think Geoff is especially good on the ball.
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Post by wuzza on Aug 17, 2014 9:59:04 GMT
I would certainly support the Cameron in midfield suggestion. Think the bloke has definite quality and could develop into an important player for us.
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Post by s7oke on Aug 17, 2014 10:00:32 GMT
I don't think Geoff is especially good on the ball. Better than Bardsley I would play Cameron in the middle or on the wing instead of Ireland anyway
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Post by arnieforpresident on Aug 17, 2014 10:04:59 GMT
Bojan didn't look anywhere near as incisive and effective as Tuncay today. First game in England playing with other debutants can not be easy. Tuncay had loads of English games under his belt before he signed for Stoke. Bojan will be a class act for us when the team clicks.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 17, 2014 10:15:50 GMT
I don't think Geoff is especially good on the ball. Better than Bardsley I would play Cameron in the middle or on the wing instead of Ireland anyway Bardsley's passing last season was actually better than Geoff's. In the number 10 role? What has he done to suggest he can play there?
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Post by potterpaul on Aug 17, 2014 10:26:32 GMT
Better than Bardsley I would play Cameron in the middle or on the wing instead of Ireland anyway Bardsley's passing last season was actually better than Geoff's. In the number 10 role? What has he done to suggest he can play there? You know it makes sense Rob, its an obvious change to make along with another 5 or six others
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Post by s7oke on Aug 17, 2014 13:34:31 GMT
Better than Bardsley I would play Cameron in the middle or on the wing instead of Ireland anyway Bardsley's passing last season was actually better than Geoff's. In the number 10 role? What has he done to suggest he can play there? Well he's played as an attacking midfielder for his country and for previous teams and by all accounts very well!! He's big good with the ball at his feet gets forward and can strike the ball well
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Post by DelapsWankingArm on Aug 17, 2014 13:39:02 GMT
Bardsley was our biggest threat going forward, his touch let him down in the final third.
Bojan, Arnaoutovic, Diouf, Ireland, Whelan, Shawcross, Wilson & Begovic were all a lot worse.
It was a massive reality check, hopefully it will kick us up the arse and push on for 3 points at Hull next week.
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Post by s7oke on Aug 17, 2014 13:43:57 GMT
Bardsley was our biggest threat going forward, his touch let him down in the final third. Bojan, Arnaoutovic, Diouf, Ireland, Whelan, Shawcross, Wilson & Begovic were all a lot worse. It was a massive reality check, hopefully it will kick us up the arse and push on for 3 points at Hull next week. To be honest Bardsley and Ireland were the worst on the pitch in my opinion and how can Bardsley be our biggest threat if he had no touch in the final third? Can't remembering him having a shot on goal!
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 17, 2014 13:48:14 GMT
Bardsley's passing last season was actually better than Geoff's. In the number 10 role? What has he done to suggest he can play there? Well he's played as an attacking midfielder for his country and for previous teams and by all accounts very well!! He's big good with the ball at his feet gets forward and can strike the ball well As an attacking creative midfielder behind the main striker? When? How often? Not well enough for him to be used there regularly... He's good with the ball at his feet, the problems start when it leaves his feet.
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Post by s7oke on Aug 17, 2014 13:54:04 GMT
Well he's played as an attacking midfielder for his country and for previous teams and by all accounts very well!! He's big good with the ball at his feet gets forward and can strike the ball well As an attacking creative midfielder behind the main striker? When? How often? Not well enough for him to be used there regularly... He's good with the ball at his feet, the problems start when it leaves his feet. In that position how do you know ? Have you ever seen him plat there? To be fair I would have preferred to play with huth there than Ireland yesterday he was a liability who's tackling is awful. Ireland is best when he attacks because he can't defend something which he did non of yesterday You play Ireland he has to go forward Says a lot when your right back is more advanced than your attacking midfielder and he was useless up there in the opposition half
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 17, 2014 13:58:50 GMT
Didn't Pulis try Cameron in the hole once?
Only once mind!
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Post by MrMagic on Aug 17, 2014 14:01:18 GMT
I though Phil had a decent game. Given the fact that most of the team had an off day I thought Bardsley had a decent full debut. He also had our best shot on goal! Lots to criticise yesterday but I reckon Phil gets a free pass. He's hoing up turn out to be a very good addition.
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Post by MrMagic on Aug 17, 2014 14:02:37 GMT
Didn't Pulis try Cameron in the hole once? Only once mind! I know he had some dubious shower related practices but that's a bit much
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Post by ************** on Aug 17, 2014 14:03:12 GMT
I don't think Geoff is especially good on the ball. Something of a key ingredient at this level. He's good at nicking the ball off the toe of an opposing striker though, but like a dog chasing a car, when he actually catches it he doesn't seem to know what to do. He specialises in poor crosses too.
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Post by s7oke on Aug 17, 2014 14:03:33 GMT
Didn't Pulis try Cameron in the hole once? Only once mind! Yes he did decided he was too attacking minded and dropped him back lol
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Post by Olgrligm on Aug 17, 2014 14:05:29 GMT
Didn't Pulis try Cameron in the hole once? Only once mind! Arsenal away. It was...interesting.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 17, 2014 14:06:08 GMT
I don't think Geoff is especially good on the ball. Something of a key ingredient at this level. He's good at nicking the ball off the toe of an opposing striker though, but like a dog chasing a car, when he actually catches it he doesn't seem to know what to do. He specialises in poor crosses too. That's how I see it too **************.
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Post by stokiejoe on Aug 17, 2014 14:46:44 GMT
Must have missed him playing yesterday, so difficult to make a comparison. When did he come on?
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Post by jeycov on Aug 17, 2014 14:51:14 GMT
Bardsley was our biggest threat going forward, his touch let him down in the final third. Bojan, Arnaoutovic, Diouf, Ireland, Whelan, Shawcross, Wilson & Begovic were all a lot worse. It was a massive reality check, hopefully it will kick us up the arse and push on for 3 points at Hull next week. To be honest Bardsley and Ireland were the worst on the pitch in my opinion and how can Bardsley be our biggest threat if he had no touch in the final third? Can't remembering him having a shot on goal! I think that one of our 2 shots on target came from Bardsley?
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Post by s7oke on Aug 17, 2014 14:53:10 GMT
To be honest Bardsley and Ireland were the worst on the pitch in my opinion and how can Bardsley be our biggest threat if he had no touch in the final third? Can't remembering him having a shot on goal! I think that one of our 2 shots on target came from Bardsley? Yea u are right first half keeper fumbled My mistake He was still shit tho
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Post by MrMagic on Aug 17, 2014 15:09:33 GMT
I think that one of our 2 shots on target came from Bardsley? Yea u are right first half keeper fumbled My mistake He was still shit tho He wasn't shit ? What did he do that was so poor? I'm a bit baffled by that Bardsley had a poor game view. He's a decent solid old fashioned full back, who chips in a few goals each season. What exactly do you want?
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Post by Kjones9 on Aug 17, 2014 15:20:25 GMT
The problem was that (through no fault of his own) it was Bardsley that was finding the spaces and obviously frustrated the fans.
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Post by chaydlestokie on Aug 17, 2014 15:23:02 GMT
Funny, OP says 'No need for knee jerk reactions of course', whilst in the very process of posting one. I mean, we've played one match and somehow this post isn't a knee jerk reaction. Get a fukin grip.
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Post by 11wilkosinateam on Aug 17, 2014 15:27:57 GMT
Cameron is a better tackler, better in the air but has a much worse final ball
Is start him next match though, probably start muniesa ahead of pieters and Moses on the wing and bojan in the middle
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Post by DelapsWankingArm on Aug 17, 2014 15:53:23 GMT
Bardsley was our biggest threat going forward, his touch let him down in the final third. Bojan, Arnaoutovic, Diouf, Ireland, Whelan, Shawcross, Wilson & Begovic were all a lot worse. It was a massive reality check, hopefully it will kick us up the arse and push on for 3 points at Hull next week. To be honest Bardsley and Ireland were the worst on the pitch in my opinion and how can Bardsley be our biggest threat if he had no touch in the final third? Can't remembering him having a shot on goal! He offered us width going forward which neither Bojan, Arnaoutovic or Diouf did, as i said if his final touch would of been better we would of been in a few times. He had a good solid game, he'll be a cracking player for us.
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Post by s7oke on Aug 17, 2014 15:58:48 GMT
Yea u are right first half keeper fumbled My mistake He was still shit tho He wasn't shit ? What did he do that was so poor? I'm a bit baffled by that Bardsley had a poor game view. He's a decent solid old fashioned full back, who chips in a few goals each season. What exactly do you want? Well he goes so far upfield final product isn't good gets caught out and he's too right footed I think his left foot is non existent on yesterday's viewing Did he cross a decent ball all afternoon I don't think so. And he hardly broke sweat getting back to defend when he went past the half way line if our strikers are about scoring goals why on a few occasions were they covering for their right back as he hugged the touch line until he could get the ball on his right foot and then didn't track back. We can pick faults all day about every player on the pitch that's our prerogative we pay our money we have our view. I'm just saying it's my opinion which is what this board is about I think
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Post by Kjones9 on Aug 17, 2014 15:59:52 GMT
The shot he had was with his left foot.
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Post by Olgrligm on Aug 17, 2014 16:00:55 GMT
Yea u are right first half keeper fumbled My mistake He was still shit tho He wasn't shit ? What did he do that was so poor? I'm a bit baffled by that Bardsley had a poor game view. He's a decent solid old fashioned full back, who chips in a few goals each season. What exactly do you want? The primary criticism of him is that he isn't Geoff Cameron. It's mostly in people's heads. I thought he was alright. It was a bit frustrating to watch a few attacks break down when he miscontrolled passes, but I also felt that he was a little unfortunate in that he seldom had any support from his winger in attack. Bojan was quite often over on the left or in the middle when he should have been making himself an option out wide.
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