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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 17, 2014 16:02:23 GMT
Two paragraphs compalining about our forward line and the solution is that we missed Cameron. Interesting, and just a tiny bit obsessive. Agree about Odemwingie though. We needed another option down the right, especially late in the game. The point being our right hand side was non existent. I.e. Cameron and Odemwingie We missed Odemwingie far more than we missed Cameron. I don't think that Bardsley was that bad though granted he wasn't great along with the most of the rest of his teammates.
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Post by s7oke on Aug 17, 2014 16:02:43 GMT
To be honest Bardsley and Ireland were the worst on the pitch in my opinion and how can Bardsley be our biggest threat if he had no touch in the final third? Can't remembering him having a shot on goal! He offered us width going forward which neither Bojan, Arnaoutovic or Diouf did, as i said if his final touch would of been better we would of been in a few times. He had a good solid game, he'll be a cracking player for us. It's all ifs If he hadn't gone so far up the pitch our forwards might have given us some width if they had been given the chance rather than dropping back to cover for him Basically you are saying if he could cross the ball he would have done but his final touch was poor Anyone can run down the line it's all about the end product you can run around with the ball all day but if u don't cross to your own player what good is it ?
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Post by s7oke on Aug 17, 2014 16:03:36 GMT
The shot he had was with his left foot. Well why can't he cross with it then Cheers for that pwingy lol
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Post by DelapsWankingArm on Aug 17, 2014 16:04:28 GMT
He offered us width going forward which neither Bojan, Arnaoutovic or Diouf did, as i said if his final touch would of been better we would of been in a few times. He had a good solid game, he'll be a cracking player for us. It's all ifs If he hadn't gone so far up the pitch our forwards might have given us some width if they had been given the chance rather than dropping back to cover for him Basically you are saying if he could cross the ball he would have done but his final touch was poor Anyone can run down the line it's all about the end product you can run around with the ball all day but if u don't cross to your own player what good is it ? You're completely missing the point and just looking for excuses to have a dig at him.
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Post by Kjones9 on Aug 17, 2014 16:05:00 GMT
The shot he had was with his left foot. Well why can't he cross with it then Cheers for that pwingy lol Who needs to cross with it when you have a fierce shot like that.
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Post by s7oke on Aug 17, 2014 16:09:50 GMT
It's all ifs If he hadn't gone so far up the pitch our forwards might have given us some width if they had been given the chance rather than dropping back to cover for him Basically you are saying if he could cross the ball he would have done but his final touch was poor Anyone can run down the line it's all about the end product you can run around with the ball all day but if u don't cross to your own player what good is it ? You're completely missing the point and just looking for excuses to have a dig at him. I'm not at all I don't think he had a good game I'm not crucifying him he may go on to be man of the match the next few games we all have bad games but to me he looked out of sorts because the others seemed to cover for him a lot no point getting up the field if there is no one to pass to. I don't need to have a dig at him there were players equally as bad My point being leave the defence alone for now and let your forwards and midfield sort themselves out first Too many changes in the first competitive match and people not knowing where they should be playing. If Bardsley plays shackle him a bit hold him back until everyone else settles in Make the back four solid
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Post by seanrjstokie on Aug 17, 2014 16:13:31 GMT
Geoff and Odemwingie have got to be on the team sheet every week in my opinion from January last season we ripped teams apart getting down that right side. I literally have no idea why people don't rate Cameron he's if not or one of the best in the squad on the ball.
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 17, 2014 16:14:36 GMT
The answer to this will surely be decided by the level of clubs enquiring about his avaibilty due to bardsley displacing him as right back
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Post by Kjones9 on Aug 17, 2014 16:29:21 GMT
Bardsley was playing as a wing back yesterday and if that's the system we want to play at home then we need better than both Bardsley and Cameron.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 17, 2014 17:32:32 GMT
Cameron
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 17, 2014 17:37:26 GMT
Cameron played regularly in a team that got over 50 points what on earth has he done to be dropped it's change for change sake and poor management as was much of yesterday let's hope they learn the lesson for hull as we can't waste these games as nov will soon be on us and it gets a whole lot tougher then
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Post by mrpickles on Aug 17, 2014 17:44:37 GMT
Seriously, how do people think that this 'Cameron was a regular in a team that got 50 points' argument works? How about, the guy who guided us to the 50 point, 9th placed finish decided that his first job of the summer was to find his replacement
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Post by mik06 on Aug 17, 2014 18:47:04 GMT
Christ on a bike with all the managers of the year available on this board, how Stoke have not won the champions league ten times over beggers belief!Bardsley played his first competitive game yesterday for us and did no worse than any fucker else.in fact with all the super stars on show he had our only decent effort to bother the keeper.Give the guy a chance he played on the right with either Bojan or Diouf rotating in front of him not Odemwingie so i cant see how any comparison can be made with last seasons partnership of Ode and Cameron. I`m pretty sure if you can be arsed (i cant)to troll back to some posts on here Geoff was been crucified for some performances last season. Lets just trust in Hughes the guy who actually seemed to prove he did know what he was doing last season.
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Post by claudinho on Aug 18, 2014 15:04:14 GMT
Cameron played regularly in a team that got over 50 points what on earth has he done to be dropped it's change for change sake and poor management as was much of yesterday let's hope they learn the lesson for hull as we can't waste these games as nov will soon be on us and it gets a whole lot tougher then Exactly.
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Post by stokemanusa on Aug 18, 2014 15:06:14 GMT
Bardsley was playing as a wing back yesterday and if that's the system we want to play at home then we need better than both Bardsley and Cameron. Bang on. Man on a island.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 18, 2014 15:08:48 GMT
The left handside, central midfield and up front were non existent too weren't they?
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Post by stokiejoe on Aug 18, 2014 15:09:27 GMT
Prefer Bardsley, a natural right back, to Cameron who did a reasonable job but isn't. That said I would prefer Micah to either of them.
Unreasonable to judge individuals on what was an overall poor team performance.
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Post by claudinho on Aug 18, 2014 15:15:00 GMT
Prefer Bardsley, a natural right back, to Cameron who did a reasonable job but isn't. That said I would prefer Micah to either of them. Unreasonable to judge individuals on what was an overall poor team performance. This is a wonderful example of what drives many of us bananas: what is a "natural right back?" A player who perhaps isn't as athletic, isn't as good on the ball, but has played his career there? If so, exactly why is this preferred?
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 18, 2014 15:16:38 GMT
Obsessive? If anything its been the minority view. Its bordeline fanactial that bardsley "is better" spoutted by bayern and the like lol he was quite slow, looks unfit and has the touch if a rapist trying to get going on a dribble... he had one good shot and was physical when he could catch his man but your one of the Cameron hate squad so no matter how slow or subpar someone else is you don't care. Well PO is fine but tell us who last season behind PO brought the ball from the back to him? One thing is for sure, the writing off of Geoff Cameron looks very premature. I've always rated him. I think he is very good on the ball and very steady. Not flashy but decent,in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 15:19:10 GMT
Prefer Bardsley, a natural right back, to Cameron who did a reasonable job but isn't. That said I would prefer Micah to either of them. Unreasonable to judge individuals on what was an overall poor team performance. This is a wonderful example of what drives many of us bananas: what is a "natural right back?" A player who perhaps isn't as athletic, isn't as good on the ball, but has played his career there? If so, exactly why is this preferred? a natural RB for me is someone who primarily can defend at RB and can also get forward as and when he's has the freedom to do so. Cameron is good at the second part (getting forward...although his final ball is absolute toss in general) but not so good at the actual defending part of the full back game. quite straightforward really.
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Post by stokiejoe on Aug 18, 2014 15:23:38 GMT
Prefer Bardsley, a natural right back, to Cameron who did a reasonable job but isn't. That said I would prefer Micah to either of them. Unreasonable to judge individuals on what was an overall poor team performance. This is a wonderful example of what drives many of us bananas: what is a "natural right back?" A player who perhaps isn't as athletic, isn't as good on the ball, but has played his career there? If so, exactly why is this preferred? Someone who has been brought up from an early age in the position so automatically goes to the right places to defend without needing to think about it, therefore doesn't get stranded out of position and however athletic cannot get back into the right position. First priority is to defend.
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Post by claudinho on Aug 18, 2014 15:25:53 GMT
This is a wonderful example of what drives many of us bananas: what is a "natural right back?" A player who perhaps isn't as athletic, isn't as good on the ball, but has played his career there? If so, exactly why is this preferred? Someone who has been brought up from an early age in the position so automatically goes to the right places to defend without needing to think about it, therefore doesn't get stranded out of position and however athletic cannot get back into the right position. First priority is to defend. You're not describing Bardsley.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 15:30:16 GMT
Someone who has been brought up from an early age in the position so automatically goes to the right places to defend without needing to think about it, therefore doesn't get stranded out of position and however athletic cannot get back into the right position. First priority is to defend. You're not describing Bardsley. and if you think Cameron is in any way "A natural RB" or even one that's paricularly good there then you're having a laugh mate. the amount of times he's been bailed out by SJW or Wingie because he's been so out of position it's scary is ridiculous. not blaming him for that or slating him for it. he's just filling in in a position he isn't really suited to and doing what is asked of him, he's a decent player is Geoff and gives his all but RB is most definitely not the position for him. if you're happy to judge Bardsley and decide what he's like based on 1 appearance then crack on but it's a simple fact that he's a better RB than Cameron
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Post by stokiejoe on Aug 18, 2014 15:34:47 GMT
Someone who has been brought up from an early age in the position so automatically goes to the right places to defend without needing to think about it, therefore doesn't get stranded out of position and however athletic cannot get back into the right position. First priority is to defend. You're not describing Bardsley. We will see but it is a better description of Bardsley than it is of Cameron.
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Post by claudinho on Aug 18, 2014 15:39:04 GMT
Bardsley is a below average PL fullback who left a very poor Sunderland side that no longer wanted him. Consider that.
Cameron, while not a "natural fullback," acquitted himself quite well last season.
The club decided to bring in a below average fullback on a Bosman, and chose to replace a member of the starting XI from last season.
The result? A poor performance by Bardsley (the entire team, mind)and an opening loss.
Those are the facts.
I wish Geoff all the best and hope that he is moved to a club that values what he brings to the side.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 15:41:54 GMT
Bardsley is a below average PL fullback who left a very poor Sunderland side that no longer wanted him. Consider that. Cameron, while not a "natural fullback," acquitted himself quite well last season. The club decided to bring in a below average fullback on a Bosman, and chose to replace a member of the starting XI from last season. The result? A poor performance by Bardsley (the entire team, mind)and an opening loss. Those are the facts. I wish Geoff all the best and hope that he is moved to a club that values what he brings to the side. he doesn't make the starting XI for the first week, Bardsley has a match no worse than anyone else and you post that embarrassment???? i never remembered to ask my sister at the time, so tell me, what's it like being an 11 year old girl?
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Post by cousindupree on Aug 18, 2014 18:32:39 GMT
I have to say i was very surprised at how poor Bardsley's touch is,reminded me of Wilko. I guess maybe you get that with a 'proper fullback' .Also he hardly bust a gut getting back a couple of times.I am ok with him being an option and we need them for every position.But if his arrival forces Cameron out of the door that to me would be bad business.I think Camerons versatility outweighs any minor benefit from Bardsley's supposidly better defending
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Post by claudinho on Aug 18, 2014 19:34:45 GMT
Bardsley is a below average PL fullback who left a very poor Sunderland side that no longer wanted him. Consider that. Cameron, while not a "natural fullback," acquitted himself quite well last season. The club decided to bring in a below average fullback on a Bosman, and chose to replace a member of the starting XI from last season. The result? A poor performance by Bardsley (the entire team, mind)and an opening loss. Those are the facts. I wish Geoff all the best and hope that he is moved to a club that values what he brings to the side. he doesn't make the starting XI for the first week, Bardsley has a match no worse than anyone else and you post that embarrassment???? i never remembered to ask my sister at the time, so tell me, what's it like being an 11 year old girl? How does it feel to be a twat who tosses around insults?
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Post by claudinho on Aug 18, 2014 19:41:48 GMT
Bardsley is a below average PL fullback who left a very poor Sunderland side that no longer wanted him. Consider that. Cameron, while not a "natural fullback," acquitted himself quite well last season. The club decided to bring in a below average fullback on a Bosman, and chose to replace a member of the starting XI from last season. The result? A poor performance by Bardsley (the entire team, mind)and an opening loss. Those are the facts. I wish Geoff all the best and hope that he is moved to a club that values what he brings to the side. he doesn't make the starting XI for the first week, Bardsley has a match no worse than anyone else and you post that embarrassment???? i never remembered to ask my sister at the time, so tell me, what's it like being an 11 year old girl? Forgive my opinion, by the way - I don't have 11,305 posts worth of history like you.
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Post by mccfred on Aug 18, 2014 19:47:00 GMT
He'lll have to make his case in a League Cup match or elsewhere before I'm willing to start him.
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