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Post by coates on Aug 27, 2014 0:03:24 GMT
So glad to see this pathetic team crash out of the champs league. They didn't deserve to be anywhere near the group stage following the UEFA debacle. Crap league, shit team, tinpot all round. Justice is done. SGS Yep Ajax are tinpot because they play in a crappy league. So are Benfica and Porto. And Anderlecht.... The Dutch and Portuguese leagues are far better than the spl. Teams like benfica,sporting Lisbon and Porto would piss the spl.
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Post by malteser68 on Aug 27, 2014 5:39:35 GMT
So glad to see this pathetic team crash out of the champs league. They didn't deserve to be anywhere near the group stage following the UEFA debacle. Crap league, shit team, tinpot all round. Justice is done. SGS Yep Ajax are tinpot because they play in a crappy league. So are Benfica and Porto. And Anderlecht.... how can you compare a club like AJAX which are a footballing legend with no-hopers like Celtic ? And Ajax have only lost their status amongst the elite following the Bosman ruling as the richer clubs regularly and continuously took all their talented players before the team could develop and achieve anything. Prior to the Bosman ruling Ajax were football gods in all aspect. Celtic were shite pre- and post-Bosman ruling. Now even more as they have no competition in the league following the fall from grace of Rangers
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 5:59:33 GMT
Yep Ajax are tinpot because they play in a crappy league. So are Benfica and Porto. And Anderlecht.... how can you compare a club like AJAX which are a footballing legend with no-hopers like Celtic ? And Ajax have only lost their status amongst the elite following the Bosman ruling as the richer clubs regularly and continuously took all their talented players before the team could develop and achieve anything. Prior to the Bosman ruling Ajax were football gods in all aspect. Celtic were shite pre- and post-Bosman ruling. Now even more as they have no competition in the league following the fall from grace of Rangers They weren't shite when they lifted the European Cup against all odds in 1967. People don't like Celtic I get that, but they are far from tinpot........
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 27, 2014 6:09:06 GMT
Yep Ajax are tinpot because they play in a crappy league. So are Benfica and Porto. And Anderlecht.... how can you compare a club like AJAX which are a footballing legend with no-hopers like Celtic ? And Ajax have only lost their status amongst the elite following the Bosman ruling as the richer clubs regularly and continuously took all their talented players before the team could develop and achieve anything. Prior to the Bosman ruling Ajax were football gods in all aspect. Celtic were shite pre- and post-Bosman ruling. Now even more as they have no competition in the league following the fall from grace of Rangers Hyperbole apart - a comparison between Celtic and Ajax, or maybe the SPL and the Eredivisie, is worth considering. Particularly in regards TV monies in that both countries are severely disadvantaged compared to the PL and the other major leagues. So how is it that Celtic are so poor? And they really are poor just now! The answer is, IMO, twofold. First the lack of competition in Scotland - particularly the demise of Rangers but not forgetting Hearts and Hibs relegation. Second, Celtic's failure to bring through any decent players through their youth system. In both cases Ajax are in a much better position than Celtic. Sad for a famous old club. Could be set for a long spell on Europe's sidelines.
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Post by Northy on Aug 27, 2014 6:14:32 GMT
I watched some of the game, in one period in the 2nd Stokes was abysmal, everything he touched went to a Maribor player or out of play, he wouldn't make a Sunday League team, then the next minute he was going past the defender and putting in a cross, quite a few like that, quite a lot was long ball, it seemed the pressure had got to the players and were simply not good enough to handle it or play like the opposition with freedom in the play.
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Post by werrington on Aug 27, 2014 6:17:19 GMT
Celtic tinpot !!!!..
Celtic ( and Rangers ) are 2 of the worlds biggest clubs and if they came south and got into the premier league and the money involved it would not be long before they would both be challenging for honours
I don't think people realise just how big they both are
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 27, 2014 6:22:11 GMT
Celtic tinpot !!!!.. Celtic ( and Rangers ) are 2 of the worlds biggest clubs and if they came south and got into the premier league and the money involved it would not be long before they would both be challenging for honours I don't think people realise just how big they both are
Biggest in what way ? they would both struggle in our 1st division.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 27, 2014 6:34:28 GMT
Celtic tinpot !!!!.. Celtic ( and Rangers ) are 2 of the worlds biggest clubs and if they came south and got into the premier league and the money involved it would not be long before they would both be challenging for honours I don't think people realise just how big they both are I can see your argument Werrers. But, lets be honest, in any other area of business (other than banking!) Rangers would have gone into liquidation a few years back, after their illegal financial mismanagement, and would no longer exist. I used to feel a bit sorry for Rangers and Celtic being stuck in a league with no other decent clubs. That was up until 2012 when the Scottish FA actually refused to nominate a couple of Scots players for a one off British Football Team to play at the Olympic games being held in Britain for the first time since 1948! And this was despite UEFA and FIFA saying that if they did take part in a British team it would NOT be used as a lever to end the situation of the home countries each having its own FA. As far as I'm concerned Rangers, Celtic and the Scottish FA deserve one another and I have no sympathy for them. I'm actually against Scottish independence - but, if it does happen, then one of the benefits will, hopefully be that it would put an end to the perennial attempts for Celtic and Rangers to join the English League system.
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Post by stokeramblers on Aug 27, 2014 6:38:03 GMT
Celtic tinpot !!!!.. Celtic ( and Rangers ) are 2 of the worlds biggest clubs and if they came south and got into the premier league and the money involved it would not be long before they would both be challenging for honours I don't think people realise just how big they both are
Biggest in what way ? they would both struggle in our 1st division.
Once they get on the PL gravy train though... After a while they'd be better placed than many other PL teams in terms of FFP too.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 27, 2014 6:43:52 GMT
Biggest in what way ? they would both struggle in our 1st division.
Once they get on the PL gravy train though... After a while they'd be better placed than many other PL teams in terms of FFP too. Then we must make sure that they don't get into the Premier League! As I said above, one of the (few in my eyes) benefits of Scottish Independence would be that it would make it less likely for Rangers and Celtic to join the Prem.
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Post by werrington on Aug 27, 2014 6:44:16 GMT
Celtic tinpot !!!!.. Celtic ( and Rangers ) are 2 of the worlds biggest clubs and if they came south and got into the premier league and the money involved it would not be long before they would both be challenging for honours I don't think people realise just how big they both are
Biggest in what way ? they would both struggle in our 1st division.
History, support and tradition I'm not talking about the here and now on the pitch ..... They would be a huge attraction to the worlds best players if they got into the premiership
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Post by werrington on Aug 27, 2014 6:46:46 GMT
Once they get on the PL gravy train though... After a while they'd be better placed than many other PL teams in terms of FFP too. Then we must make sure that they don't get into the Premier League! As I said above, one of the (few in my eyes) benefits of Scottish Independence would be that it would make it less likely for Rangers and Celtic to join the Prem. I don't disagree mate and agree fully with you I'm just stating how huge those 2 clubs actually are and if that did happen and they got their hands on the money I'm sure they would both be challenging at the top end of the premiership
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Aug 27, 2014 6:47:34 GMT
Celtic tinpot !!!!.. I don't think people realise just how big they both are Depends on your definition of 'big'. I'm 'big' in my own household just as Celtic and Glasgow Rangers are 'big' in their worlds. Agree that both clubs are global names but in the main followed by disaffected Scots with no one else to follow. So broadly, if you're a Scottish Protestant, you'll 'follow' Glasgow Rangers or Glasgow Celtic if Catholic. That's the way you're brought up north of the border and it really is as simple as that. Yes, 'Big' clubs but only in their own households. Poetic justice indeed that 'little old Maribor' showed 'massive' Celtic the European door after the appalling decision to throw out the Polish side on a technicality after being hammered senseless by the East Europeans. By the way, fervently hope there's a big YES YES YES vote in the forthcoming referendum as well.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 27, 2014 6:47:38 GMT
Biggest in what way ? they would both struggle in our 1st division.
History, support and tradition I'm not talking about the here and now on the pitch ..... They would be a huge attraction to the worlds best players if they got into the premiership Ajax would also be a huge attraction if they got into the Premiership - and don't forget that Amsterdam is as close to most Premiership clubs as Glasgow is. Hopefully it will never happen.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 27, 2014 6:53:24 GMT
Then we must make sure that they don't get into the Premier League! As I said above, one of the (few in my eyes) benefits of Scottish Independence would be that it would make it less likely for Rangers and Celtic to join the Prem. I don't disagree mate and agree fully with you I'm just stating how huge those 2 clubs actually are and if that did happen and they got their hands on the money I'm sure they would both be challenging at the top end of the premiership As y-oh-y says, a lot of it is down to the weird way in which the Scots have chosen to support two clubs in massive numbers to the detriment of all the other clubs in the League. If the people of London all decided to support Fulham and QPR and the people of Merseyside all decided to support Tranmere and the People of Manchester all supported Bury - they could become the four biggest clubs in Europe - but it wouldn't make any sort of sense, would it?
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Post by basingstokie on Aug 27, 2014 6:54:08 GMT
So glad to see this pathetic team crash out of the champs league. They didn't deserve to be anywhere near the group stage following the UEFA debacle. Crap league, shit team, tinpot all round. Justice is done. SGS It's not really Celtic's fault that their domestic league is pathetic. If anything they are victims of this, as they receive zero competition domestically so as soon as they come up against someone half decent in Europe they are finished. It must also be difficult to attract decent players Agree that the Legia Warsaw thing was a debacle though
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Post by harryh157 on Aug 27, 2014 7:01:11 GMT
History, support and tradition I'm not talking about the here and now on the pitch ..... They would be a huge attraction to the worlds best players if they got into the premiership Ajax would also be a huge attraction if they got into the Premiership - and don't forget that Amsterdam is as close to most Premiership clubs as Glasgow is. Hopefully it will never happen. Yes but It would be a great weekend away!
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Post by jonnybravo on Aug 27, 2014 7:07:59 GMT
I'd love to see rangers and celtic in the Premier league, would be a great addition, I can't see the problem if Swansea and Cardiff are allowed to play in England.
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Post by stokeramblers on Aug 27, 2014 7:18:37 GMT
I'd love to see rangers and celtic in the Premier league, would be a great addition, I can't see the problem if Swansea and Cardiff are allowed to play in England. You're essentially forcing smaller English clubs like us out of the Premiership. Would you love it if we ever get relegated, looking up at them, probably part of an unmovable top 8 sides. Leaving 12 spots for the other English clubs to scrap over... It's an awful idea and suicidal for aspiring top half Premiership teams like us. Turkey's voting for Christmas!
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 27, 2014 7:20:55 GMT
So glad to see this pathetic team crash out of the champs league. They didn't deserve to be anywhere near the group stage following the UEFA debacle. Crap league, shit team, tinpot all round. Justice is done. SGS It's not really Celtic's fault that their domestic league is pathetic. If anything they are victims of this, as they receive zero competition domestically so as soon as they come up against someone half decent in Europe they are finished. It must also be difficult to attract decent players Agree that the Legia Warsaw thing was a debacle though It is certainly the fault of their fans and of Rangers fans. No one decreed that the majority of football fans in Scotland should overwhelmingly support just two clubs who happened to be in the same city. No one said that the support of those two mega clubs should split along religious lines. That is entirely down to the fans - so the fans are to blame for the situation they find themselves in. If they could have done the sensible thing and shared their support between more clubs spaced out around the country, they'd have a single competitive league of maybe 16 clubs. And below that league, stop pretending that there is enough population to claim that they have two or three more leagues within the league system. They are big enough as a country to support one professional decent league and everything below that should be non league. Up to one promotion a year should be allowed into the top league - but that would probably mean a hand out to the promoted club to enable them to compete.
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Post by jonnybravo on Aug 27, 2014 8:09:34 GMT
I'd love to see rangers and celtic in the Premier league, would be a great addition, I can't see the problem if Swansea and Cardiff are allowed to play in England. You're essentially forcing smaller English clubs like us out of the Premiership. Would you love it if we ever get relegated, looking up at them, probably part of an unmovable top 8 sides. Leaving 12 spots for the other English clubs to scrap over... It's an awful idea and suicidal for aspiring top half Premiership teams like us. Turkey's voting for Christmas! How would it be forcing smaller clubs out of the Premier League? For me they would have to start at the bottom and work there way up from like league 2 or the conference they'd be there on merit like every other club.
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Post by malteser68 on Aug 27, 2014 8:11:02 GMT
So glad to see this pathetic team crash out of the champs league. They didn't deserve to be anywhere near the group stage following the UEFA debacle. Crap league, shit team, tinpot all round. Justice is done. SGS It's not really Celtic's fault that their domestic league is pathetic. If anything they are victims of this, as they receive zero competition domestically so as soon as they come up against someone half decent in Europe they are finished. It must also be difficult to attract decent players Agree that the Legia Warsaw thing was a debacle though but Maribor aren't even half decent. !!! Two seasons ago they were drawn in the preliminary rounds against birkirkara fc of malta. I went to watch the match which was as exciting as observing cactus grow in a pot !!! The game ended in a drab 0-0 draw and Maribor were shite. I also don't think that legia Warsaw are football gods so having been hammered 6-1 on aggregate just goes to show how abysmal celtics level is. Honestly I watched both legs vs Maribor and there wasn't even 1 player from the 2 teams whom I would have liked to see at stoke
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Aug 27, 2014 8:16:32 GMT
Celtic are a big club in Ireland..everyone supports them or Man Utd
In Northern Ireland murals along the Falls Rd have pictures of the 1967 European Cup Winners team on them.
In footballing terms though they're shit.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 27, 2014 8:22:36 GMT
It is a shame it's come to this.
Celtic and Rangers are now a complete irrelevance. And their fans must wonder what it's all for?
Not sure what the answer is, but the future looks totally bleak for them as potential Rolls Royce clubs hamstrung by the financial limitations of a tinpot league.
We don't want 'em down here though.
As ramblers says, they're powerful enough to gradually make themselves top-half Premier League mainstays alongside the likes of Everton and Spurs if given the chance, which would force 2 Stoke-type clubs further down the food chain.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Aug 27, 2014 8:24:03 GMT
Biggest in what way ? they would both struggle in our 1st division.
History, support and tradition I'm not talking about the here and now on the pitch ..... They would be a huge attraction to the worlds best players if they got into the premiership I agree with Werrington. Glasgow is a massive football city with two huge clubs. As big as Manchester, Liverpool and London. Sheffield isn't too shabby. Maybe only Milan has a similar status in Europe. For one city to have 2 teams that could each pull 50,000+ supporters is fairly rare. Even in Madrid, Athletico is like a little brother in the shadow of its massive neighbour.
It's the old "big club" argument. It is down to history, tradition and support - even when their team is going through hard times.
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Post by stokeramblers on Aug 27, 2014 8:28:21 GMT
You're essentially forcing smaller English clubs like us out of the Premiership. Would you love it if we ever get relegated, looking up at them, probably part of an unmovable top 8 sides. Leaving 12 spots for the other English clubs to scrap over... It's an awful idea and suicidal for aspiring top half Premiership teams like us. Turkey's voting for Christmas! How would it be forcing smaller clubs out of the Premier League? For me they would have to start at the bottom and work there way up from like league 2 or the conference they'd be there on merit like every other club. I won't happen like that though will it. They'll be parachuted into the Championship as a bare minimum. And they would find their way to Premiership and eventually become top half mainstays as hebangsthedrums says too. FFP would see that they'd prosper in the Premiership.
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Post by BristolMick on Aug 27, 2014 8:30:12 GMT
You're essentially forcing smaller English clubs like us out of the Premiership. Would you love it if we ever get relegated, looking up at them, probably part of an unmovable top 8 sides. Leaving 12 spots for the other English clubs to scrap over... It's an awful idea and suicidal for aspiring top half Premiership teams like us. Turkey's voting for Christmas! How would it be forcing smaller clubs out of the Premier League? For me they would have to start at the bottom and work there way up from like league 2 or the conference they'd be there on merit like every other club. You said you'd like to see Celtic and Rangers in Prem league. There are 20 places, so if these two come in what kind of clubs do you think they will be replacing? The big clubs who are also followed by hordes of spineless glory hunting parasites or clubs like us? If they were in our Prem with their massive bigoted fanbases do you think they would be more likely to be relegated than the likes of us or less likely? No Stoke supporter should want the bigot brothers anywhere near the premier league! BM
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Post by foster on Aug 27, 2014 8:47:06 GMT
Yep Ajax are tinpot because they play in a crappy league. So are Benfica and Porto. And Anderlecht.... The Dutch and Portuguese leagues are far better than the spl. Teams like benfica,sporting Lisbon and Porto would piss the spl. Loads of European leagues are better than the SPL, and certainly the Dutch, Portuguese and even Belgian ones. The SPL is ranked 24th in Europe, below fellow powerhouse leagues such as those of Belarus and Cyprus.
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Post by foster on Aug 27, 2014 8:48:22 GMT
How would it be forcing smaller clubs out of the Premier League? For me they would have to start at the bottom and work there way up from like league 2 or the conference they'd be there on merit like every other club. You said you'd like to see Celtic and Rangers in Prem league. There are 20 places, so if these two come in what kind of clubs do you think they will be replacing? The big clubs who are also followed by hordes of spineless glory hunting parasites or clubs like us? If they were in our Prem with their massive bigoted fanbases do you think they would be more likely to be relegated than the likes of us or less likely? No Stoke supporter should want the bigot brothers anywhere near the premier league! BM Wouldn't want them replacing any English teams. Just as I don't like that Welsh clubs do.
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 27, 2014 10:10:31 GMT
Biggest in what way ? they would both struggle in our 1st division.
Once they get on the PL gravy train though... After a while they'd be better placed than many other PL teams in terms of FFP too. Hopefully the sweaty's will vote for independence so that this nightmare will never happen.
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