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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Aug 8, 2014 10:30:08 GMT
If the player in question had played the full 90 mins then fair enough but he came on for a 3 minute cameo at the end and effected nothing as Celtic were dead and buried. Horrendous decision. 90 mins or 1 minute there's no difference .....he was named in their match day squad The score is irrelevant .....using your argument if you had an ineligible goalkeeper on the bench you could bring him in to shore it up a little if your 1st choice got injured yeah ? Again rules are rules "However, in 2010, Uefa fined Debrecen £15,000 but rejected a protest from opponents Litex Lovech, who wanted the Hungarian side kicked out of the tournament for fielding an ineligible player. Debrecen argued that they fielded Peter Mate in good faith as a substitute in Bulgaria when they were leading 4-1 on aggregate. Uefa ruled that Debrecen had "no interest in fielding this player for the three last minutes of additional time, when the score was so clearly in its favour"." And there are precedents in the 'rules'.
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Post by Jimm on Aug 8, 2014 10:32:13 GMT
Transfer Sources ?@transfersources Legia Warsaw decided to bring on a suspended player whilst 6-1 up with 3 minutes to go. Now they're out of the Champions League. Good job...
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Post by rockzscfc on Aug 8, 2014 10:36:01 GMT
If it was Stoke we would be asking for the opponent to be disqualified. Lets be honest
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Post by Gods on Aug 8, 2014 10:36:07 GMT
I agree with that. Does anyone know why Warsaw did not realise the 2 minute man was banned? He had a 3 match ban and had served 2 of the matches in Warsaw's first qualifying stage, he was not registered for their first leg against Celtic and this therefore did not count as one match of his ban and Warsaw didn't realise this and played him thinking his ban was complete Thanks for the explanation. I wonder which sharp nosed individual spotted this technicality Rule are rules I guess but boy its tough
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Post by mcf on Aug 8, 2014 10:36:38 GMT
There will be many people on here that run kids teams.
If you play the wrong players then you get kicked out of cup competitions etc. at U9 junior district level.
At this top level, then rule should be that anyone playing or even listing ineligible players get loss of points or kicked out of comps etc
Plus I like Celtic
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 8, 2014 10:36:41 GMT
It's bollocks. Surely we are in an age where Uefa officials are at the game and scrutinise team sheets etc so that this doesn't happen anymore. The referee and officials allowed this slight mistake to happen. While you have the sports arbitration court about to massively reduce Suarez ban because he's now at Barcelona. Warsaw should do the same I agree with that. Does anyone know why Warsaw did not realise the 2 minute man was banned? It's quite a bit more complicated than people first realise. He got a straight red in their final European game last season and therefore got a three match European ban starting this season Warsaw didn't field him in either of their two games in the first round or in the first leg against Celtic, therefore as far as the player, the manager and the club were aware he'd served his three match ban. However this is where it gets a bit complicated: Because Warsaw knew that he was banned for both legs of their first round games they didn't register him as a part of their European squad for those matches but in order for the games he didn't play in to count towards his ban, he needed to be. Seems to me like an incredibly harsh punishment for what is obviously a very genuine and indeed quite minor mistake.
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Post by enuntio on Aug 8, 2014 10:38:33 GMT
Leeds had a similar situation they got beat but their opponents had an extra foreign player on the pitch than the rules allowed. Instead of being awarded the game 3-0 uefa had the game replayed which Leeds also failed to qualify The Poles are being mugged. They have got to appeal, I can't see an appeal completely failing. The suspended player had already missed 3 games but... There was a cock-up in the registration procedures.
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Post by Gods on Aug 8, 2014 10:40:16 GMT
I agree with that. Does anyone know why Warsaw did not realise the 2 minute man was banned? It's quite a bit more complicated than people first realise. He got a straight red in their final European game last season and therefore got a three match European ban starting this season Warsaw didn't field him in either of their two games in the first round or in the first leg against Celtic, therefore as far as the player, the manager and the club were aware he'd served his three match ban. However this is where it gets a bit complicated: Because Warsaw knew that he was banned for both legs of their first round games they didn't register him as a part of their European squad for those matches but in order for the games he didn't play in to count towards his ban, he needed to be. Seems to me like an incredibly harsh punishment for what is obviously a very genuine and indeed quite minor mistake. Thanks. Borderline brutal I'd call it.
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Post by Northy on Aug 8, 2014 10:45:05 GMT
Absolutely disgusting this is, getting throgth on that they should be ashamed But if Stoke lose 4-0 at say Man City in the FA cup and they fielded an illegible player you would what exactly ? Rules are rules and they broke them I don't get what is disgusting If they aren't upheld it would be chaos Some peoples sheer hatred of Glasgow Celtic clouds their vision He came on as a sub when it was 6-1, he'd already served his 3 match ban, this was the 4th game, but somebody messed up some paperwork in one of the previous rounds, I could understand if he'd played from the start, not coming on as a sub when the game was nearly over. It's not sheer hatred in my eyes it's common sense. As others have said, another club got caught out with this and got a small fine.
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Post by werrington on Aug 8, 2014 10:49:21 GMT
I agree they broke the rules and should be severely punished otherwise it would be chaos......it's basic shit tbh
What I will say though is that if Man City or Barcelona do something similar they would be fined as they want the major clubs to showcase it......that's wrong
Peoples on here wouldn't be so leniant or sympathetic if a club fielded a player against us who should not of been on the pitch......they should bare that in mind
Break the rules and out yer go
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Post by werrington on Aug 8, 2014 10:52:08 GMT
But if Stoke lose 4-0 at say Man City in the FA cup and they fielded an illegible player you would what exactly ? Rules are rules and they broke them I don't get what is disgusting If they aren't upheld it would be chaos Some peoples sheer hatred of Glasgow Celtic clouds their vision He came on as a sub when it was 6-1, he'd already served his 3 match ban, this was the 4th game, but somebody messed up some paperwork in one of the previous rounds, I could understand if he'd played from the start, not coming on as a sub when the game was nearly over. It's not sheer hatred in my eyes it's common sense. As others have said, another club got caught out with this and got a small fine. Mate it doesn't matter what minute he came on He was named in their match day squad so was available for whatever minute he entered the pitch
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Post by Northy on Aug 8, 2014 11:01:07 GMT
He came on as a sub when it was 6-1, he'd already served his 3 match ban, this was the 4th game, but somebody messed up some paperwork in one of the previous rounds, I could understand if he'd played from the start, not coming on as a sub when the game was nearly over. It's not sheer hatred in my eyes it's common sense. As others have said, another club got caught out with this and got a small fine. Mate it doesn't matter what minute he came on He was named in their match day squad so was available for whatever minute he entered the pitch I understand, he was issued a 3 match ban, he wasn't in the previous 2 legs and the first Celtic game, that's 3 games, this is another one of those paperwork mix ups, almost like the Kieran Gibbs sending off cock up
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Post by redstriper on Aug 8, 2014 11:08:46 GMT
I'm sure something similar has happened to celtic before some years ago, maybe they have friends in high places.
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Post by salopstick on Aug 8, 2014 11:14:20 GMT
I agree with that. Does anyone know why Warsaw did not realise the 2 minute man was banned? He had a 3 match ban and had served 2 of the matches in Warsaw's first qualifying stage, he was not registered for their first leg against Celtic and this therefore did not count as one match of his ban and Warsaw didn't realise this and played him thinking his ban was complete If this is true then it makes throwing them out even more corrupt
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2014 11:26:02 GMT
Absolutely disgusting this is, getting throgth on that they should be ashamed But if Stoke lose 4-0 at say Man City in the FA cup and they fielded an illegible player you would what exactly ? Rules are rules and they broke them I don't get what is disgusting If they aren't upheld it would be chaos Some peoples sheer hatred of Glasgow Celtic clouds their vision Sunderland played an ineligible player last season for a number of games and got away with it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2014 11:27:31 GMT
I'm sure something similar has happened to celtic before some years ago, maybe they have friends in high places. Their chief executive is on the board at UEFA.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2014 11:29:32 GMT
It has got to be bent!
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Post by Hannibal on Aug 8, 2014 11:33:29 GMT
Im sure they will lose to Maribor anyway.
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Post by deliasmith on Aug 8, 2014 11:54:54 GMT
As a Celtic fan, I'm sorry for Legia. They were much the better side.
Celtic have let it be known that they didn't bring this up with UEFA, which I am pleased to hear.
The reason the Poles are out is that fielding a player who is serving a suspension is taken very seriously - the administrators want players to fear red cards - and the penalty is the game being awarded to the opponents 3-0. Celtic lost the first leg 4-1, so go through on away goals. If you want something else to moan about, if Celtic lose to Maribor they qualify automatically for the UEFA cup, so it's European football till Christmas whatever happens. Minimum reward to Celtic £5 million.
If you want a laugh, check out the Rangers boards (bad language advisory)
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Post by Northy on Aug 8, 2014 12:00:37 GMT
As a Celtic fan, I'm sorry for Legia. They were much the better side. Celtic have let it be known that they didn't bring this up with UEFA, which I am pleased to hear. The reason the Poles are out is that fielding a player who is serving a suspension is taken very seriously - the administrators want players to fear red cards - and the penalty is the game being awarded to the opponents 3-0. Celtic lost the first leg 4-1, so go through on away goals. If you want something else to moan about, if Celtic lose to Maribor they qualify automatically for the UEFA cup, so it's European football till Christmas whatever happens. Minimum reward to Celtic £5 million. If you want a laugh, check out the Rangers boards (bad language advisory) He'd already missed 3 games though, it's a paperwork cock up, they didn't sneak him on under a false name with a wig on or anything from the start.
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Post by the cat on Aug 8, 2014 12:01:58 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2014 12:05:41 GMT
Made me chuckle that. Would he solve our right wing problem if we put a cheeky bid in??
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2014 12:09:54 GMT
At least he didn't bite anyone in the two minutes he was on the pitch
GD
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Post by digger on Aug 8, 2014 12:10:20 GMT
If the player in question had played the full 90 mins then fair enough but he came on for a 3 minute cameo at the end and effected nothing as Celtic were dead and buried. Horrendous decision. 90 mins or 1 minute there's no difference .....he was named in their match day squad The score is irrelevant .....using your argument if you had an ineligible goalkeeper on the bench you could bring him in to shore it up a little if your 1st choice got injured yeah ? Again rules are rules Have you still got that half Stoke, half Celtic bobble hat left footer
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Post by cheadlepotter on Aug 8, 2014 12:11:56 GMT
Just heard this on SSN and I've rewound it to write it word for word...
Uefa ruled that Debrecen were allowed to stay in the competition because they fielded a player late on in the game when the score was clearly in their favour.
Fuck me.
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Post by salopstick on Aug 8, 2014 12:40:03 GMT
I agree with that. Does anyone know why Warsaw did not realise the 2 minute man was banned? It's quite a bit more complicated than people first realise. He got a straight red in their final European game last season and therefore got a three match European ban starting this season Warsaw didn't field him in either of their two games in the first round or in the first leg against Celtic, therefore as far as the player, the manager and the club were aware he'd served his three match ban. However this is where it gets a bit complicated: Because Warsaw knew that he was banned for both legs of their first round games they didn't register him as a part of their European squad for those matches but in order for the games he didn't play in to count towards his ban, he needed to be. Seems to me like an incredibly harsh punishment for what is obviously a very genuine and indeed quite minor mistake. And I wouldn't want stoke benefitting in similar circumstances
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Post by vahl on Aug 8, 2014 12:46:51 GMT
Celtic have let it be known that they didn't bring this up with UEFA, which I am pleased to hear. The reason the Poles are out is that fielding a player who is serving a suspension is taken very seriously - the administrators want players to fear red cards - and the penalty is the game being awarded to the opponents 3-0. Celtic lost the first leg 4-1, so go through on away goals. I don't think that's entirely true, is it? I believe the rules state that the opposing club must file a protest first before any match can be deemed a forfeit, in which case Celtic have been canting over what is essentially a fucking admin error.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2014 12:59:54 GMT
Just heard this on SSN and I've rewound it to write it word for word... Uefa ruled that Debrecen were allowed to stay in the competition because they fielded a player late on in the game when the score was clearly in their favour. Fuck me. In 2010, Uefa fined Debrecen £15,000 but rejected a protest by opponents Litex Lovech, who argued that the Hungarian side should be kicked out of the tournament. Debrecen stressed that they had fielded Peter Mate in good faith as a substitute in Bulgaria when they were already leading 4-1 on aggregate. Uefa ruled that Debrecen had “no interest in fielding this player for the three last minutes of additional time, when the score was so clearly in its favour”. So with that precedent set, in this instance, in totally different circumstances ( ) Celtic go through.
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Post by malteser68 on Aug 8, 2014 13:03:08 GMT
Absolutely disgusting this is, getting throgth on that they should be ashamed But if Stoke lose 4-0 at say Man City in the FA cup and they fielded an illegible player you would what exactly ? Rules are rules and they broke them I don't get what is disgusting If they aren't upheld it would be chaos Some peoples sheer hatred of Glasgow Celtic clouds their vision if stoke lose 4-0 to man city and they would have fielded an I eligible player then yes I would protest. But if stoke lose 4-0 to yeovil town I wouldn't for sure !!!
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Post by metalhead on Aug 8, 2014 13:26:30 GMT
Hard to believe such a stupid mistake could happen, but hey, that's life. I'm surprised people are saying they should be ashamed. At first I thought it's a disgrace, but like people have said, rules are rules. You break them at your peril. Lucky boys for sure, but certainly not their fault.
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