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Post by CillaBlacksPissFlaps on Jul 29, 2014 21:58:41 GMT
Spoke to Dennis Smith tonight at Congleton Town vs Stoke youth + Jerome (who scored 3 by the way) and he has heard that Adam has been well off the pace out in Germany and is not up to standard, he used a phrase which I liked saying that Adam only "loans the ball out" and passes to players he knows will give it him back and is only going sideways and backwards. Very interesting listening to him but I get the impression he thinks he will be gone come the end of August. I like Adam a lot and he scored some great and very important goals for us last season but can't help think he's on big money and we will sell.
Also heard tp is coming back in for Jerome but not just yet as he won't have to pay his wages until the end of August if he waits.
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Post by nott1 on Jul 29, 2014 22:11:10 GMT
I get the impression that Adams is a bit fed up, probably knowing he won't be a first choice, and he isn't giving his all.We could get someone better I think!
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 29, 2014 22:29:01 GMT
False 9,4-2-4-0,call it what you like but we didn't have anyone in the centre forward position and it didn't really work did it. We didn't create an awful lot of chances and Diouf was wasted on the right. I hope it was a 1 off experiment
Ah right ... so you're righting it off after one preseason friendly then?
I thought it was fascinating, something completely unexpected, something designed entirely to get the best out of Bojan.
First half we played some decent stuff, Ireland was great and Bojan scored a terrific goal, born out of how the tactics were specifically meant to work.
Maybe it will work, maybe it wont but there was enough there to see that it's worth another go (or two).
I know what you're saying, Paul. But the sight of Diouf on the right seemed a bit incongruous at times. He looked a bit of a fish out of water for periods, although his good attitude shone through. Does Hughes himself even know what to do? I'd love to know what the big idea was/is
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Post by Olgrligm on Jul 29, 2014 22:33:36 GMT
I think we're just going to have to wait until the friendly against whoever it is before the Villa game before to make any firm conclusions about the side going forward. The Bojan signing has thrown everything into flux.
I can't for one minute believe that Hughes sold the club to Diouf by telling him he'd be spending most of his time on the right wing.
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Post by scfcwebby on Jul 29, 2014 22:34:38 GMT
I get the impression that Adams is a bit fed up, probably knowing he won't be a first choice, and he isn't giving his all.We could get someone better I think! We've signed ANOTHER new player???
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 29, 2014 22:36:57 GMT
Ah right ... so you're righting it off after one preseason friendly then?
I thought it was fascinating, something completely unexpected, something designed entirely to get the best out of Bojan.
First half we played some decent stuff, Ireland was great and Bojan scored a terrific goal, born out of how the tactics were specifically meant to work.
Maybe it will work, maybe it wont but there was enough there to see that it's worth another go (or two).
I know what you're saying, Paul. But the sight of Diouf on the right seemed a bit incongruous at times. He looked a bit of a fish out of water for periods, although his good attitude shone through. Does Hughes himself even know what to do? I'd love to know what the big idea was/is
As I've been saying since we were linked with him, I really don't think Bojan can play (successfully) anywhere else but where he played today.
Can Diouf play on the right?
If he can't, then I'm not sure how we can fit them both into the same starting XI.
I really, really hope Hughes gives it time to find out though, it could be lightning in a bottle if it works.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jul 29, 2014 23:57:39 GMT
Spoke to Dennis Smith tonight at Congleton Town vs Stoke youth + Jerome (who scored 3 by the way) and he has heard that Adam has been well off the pace out in Germany and is not up to standard, he used a phrase which I liked saying that Adam only "loans the ball out" and passes to players he knows will give it him back and is only going sideways and backwards. Very interesting listening to him but I get the impression he thinks he will be gone come the end of August. I like Adam a lot and he scored some great and very important goals for us last season but can't help think he's on big money and we will sell. Also heard tp is coming back in for Jerome but not just yet as he won't have to pay his wages until the end of August if he waits. I think most of that is bollocks, i cant see for the life of me why TP would want Jerome and i cant see why Jerome would want to play for TP. The only reason they ended up together last season was because Holloway got Jerome in before Pulis went to the club. The bit about not having to pay his wages for a month is a bit silly too. Jerome will end up at a championship club.
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Post by hanibal7 on Jul 30, 2014 0:44:02 GMT
If that was a champions league game, we would take them aT THE BRIT HAHAHAHHA
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Post by spitthedog on Jul 30, 2014 1:16:11 GMT
Diouf seemed about as suited to right wing duties as Walters.
Not a very convincing performance imho.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jul 30, 2014 1:18:50 GMT
Options eh? Just think how the top clubs go on. Isn't it great, though, having to figure out who to play and where to play them? I am loving the debates on here about formations and tactics; football is fun again!
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Post by yamfan on Jul 30, 2014 1:31:39 GMT
I thought we were bossing the second half and looked in control until the defensive horror show from the corner, then nerves seemed to step in and we wilted. Enough to show a promising season for me if the players gel quickly and adapt to the pace of the prem and cope with the winter breezes at the Brit.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 4:06:29 GMT
Spoke to Dennis Smith tonight at Congleton Town vs Stoke youth + Jerome (who scored 3 by the way) and he has heard that Adam has been well off the pace out in Germany and is not up to standard, he used a phrase which I liked saying that Adam only "loans the ball out" and passes to players he knows will give it him back and is only going sideways and backwards. Very interesting listening to him but I get the impression he thinks he will be gone come the end of August. I like Adam a lot and he scored some great and very important goals for us last season but can't help think he's on big money and we will sell. Also heard tp is coming back in for Jerome but not just yet as he won't have to pay his wages until the end of August if he waits. That was exactly how I read it watching the stream Cilla. I don't see Charlie being part of the side that's emerging under MH, particularly with Ireland looking much more like his old self. However, i'd quite fancy the idea of Charlie being played much deeper, in the "Gerrard" role. I still think he could do well in that slot, if he could avoid picking up cards. Maybe too much of a luxury.
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Post by southernstokie95 on Jul 30, 2014 4:23:13 GMT
Missed the game today, anywhere know where I can watch the full game back?
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Post by potterpaul on Jul 30, 2014 5:54:07 GMT
Wasn't around for this game, and not sure if already discussed but
Who played right back, was it Wilson? Did Muniesa take over as right back?
Just can't see Bardsley in the line up
Thanks in advance
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 30, 2014 6:04:57 GMT
Wasn't around for this game, and not sure if already discussed but Who played right back, was it Wilson? Did Muniesa take over as right back? Just can't see Bardsley in the line up Thanks in advance Wilson started at right back but picked up an injury. Muniesa came on and went to left back with Pieters switching to right back. I'd have thought Bardsley didn't play yesterday only because he had picked up a knock in training.
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Post by potterpaul on Jul 30, 2014 6:19:21 GMT
Wasn't around for this game, and not sure if already discussed but Who played right back, was it Wilson? Did Muniesa take over as right back? Just can't see Bardsley in the line up Thanks in advance Wilson started at right back but picked up an injury. Muniesa came on and went to left back with Pieters switching to right back. I'd have thought Bardsley didn't play yesterday only because he had picked up a knock in training. Cheers mate How did Pieters perform on right.......does it look a possibility if we're stuck?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 30, 2014 6:27:55 GMT
Wilson started at right back but picked up an injury. Muniesa came on and went to left back with Pieters switching to right back. I'd have thought Bardsley didn't play yesterday only because he had picked up a knock in training. Cheers mate How did Pieters perform on right.......does it look a possibility if we're stuck? Ok - but it was noticeable that Diouf (who played in front of him on the right) put in a heluva shift tracking back. I suspect (hope) that Diouf would have had less defensive work to do with a specialist right back behind him.
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Post by potterpaul on Jul 30, 2014 6:49:26 GMT
Cheers mate How did Pieters perform on right.......does it look a possibility if we're stuck? Ok - but it was noticeable that Diouf (who played in front of him on the right) put in a heluva shift tracking back. I suspect (hope) that Diouf would have had less defensive work to do with a specialist right back behind him. Ok, it sounds to me that MH had planned to give Muniesa and Peiters 45 each but took advantage of Wilsons knock to give them both extra game time instead of replacing Wilson with Shotton.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Jul 30, 2014 11:36:30 GMT
Options eh? Just think how the top clubs go on. Isn't it great, though, having to figure out who to play and where to play them? I am loving the debates on here about formations and tactics; football is fun again! Indeed. I can't wait to see how Barcelona squeeze Messi, Suarez and Naymar into the same team. Who needs problems like that?
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 30, 2014 11:42:04 GMT
One interesting thing from yesterday; check out the subs not used!
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Post by foster on Jul 30, 2014 12:30:57 GMT
showed exactly why he is so good at playing in the hole. Let's hope that carries on as well as Bojan coming deep. Just got into the thread. Are these posts related to the game or some kind of imaginary SCFC porn movie.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jul 30, 2014 12:44:55 GMT
Let's hope that carries on as well as Bojan coming deep. Just got into the thread. Are these posts related to the game or some kind of imaginary SCFC porn movie. I couldn't answer you mate, I'm still thinking about Hughes pulling Bojan off.
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Post by fca47 on Jul 30, 2014 12:47:45 GMT
One interesting thing from yesterday; check out the subs not used! . Don't know whether the unused subs thing is true, I'm sure the commentator mentioned Shotton towards the end of the game.
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Post by stokefaninde on Jul 30, 2014 13:15:59 GMT
If someone could help me with understanding tactics it would be greatly appreciated.
What is so different for Bojan playing a false 9 as opposed to off Diouf? I love that we have both but surely it makes no sense to chase Diouf for so long only to move him to the wing...
Any offensive team that doesnt have Bojan, Diouf, Arnie, Ireland and Odemwingie featuring would perplex me.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 30, 2014 13:24:38 GMT
If someone could help me with understanding tactics it would be greatly appreciated. What is so different for Bojan playing a false 9 as opposed to off Diouf? I love that we have both but surely it makes no sense to chase Diouf for so long only to move him to the wing... Any offensive team that doesnt have Bojan, Diouf, Arnie, Ireland and Odemwingie featuring would perplex me. The theory is (I think) that you have a clever player in the central role that comes deep and pulls defenders out wide making them all dizzy therefore allowing the power and pace players to take up the vacant number 9 position and make hay. A lot of the time though it just involves a team playing without a centre forward and is a bit wank. From what I can fathom, only the very, very best sides have made it work for any prolonged period of time.
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Post by sportsman on Jul 30, 2014 13:25:21 GMT
Don't know why people are getting in a state about Diouf and Co. and positions. I said straight after the game yesterday that Hughes would be looking at that yesterday as an option for a certain game/s this season.
he's basically confirmed that in the sentinel today. Relax and enjoy.
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 30, 2014 13:31:48 GMT
One interesting thing from yesterday; check out the subs not used! . Don't know whether the unused subs thing is true, I'm sure the commentator mentioned Shotton towards the end of the game. Don't believe what you read - especially in the Mail! You'd think a man of my age might have learned that lesson by now!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 13:39:51 GMT
One interesting thing from yesterday; check out the subs not used! . Don't know whether the unused subs thing is true, I'm sure the commentator mentioned Shotton towards the end of the game. He did mention Shotton but it was WIlson P , the comentator got loads of names wrong I was laughing at his lack of knowledge of who was who.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 30, 2014 14:41:29 GMT
If someone could help me with understanding tactics it would be greatly appreciated. What is so different for Bojan playing a false 9 as opposed to off Diouf? I love that we have both but surely it makes no sense to chase Diouf for so long only to move him to the wing... Any offensive team that doesnt have Bojan, Diouf, Arnie, Ireland and Odemwingie featuring would perplex me. I'd echo everything that Sheikhy has said above but would also add, that if Bojan was playing just 'off' Diouf, you would be using completely different tactics. You would essentially be playing with a '2' up top and would have to sacrifice a man in midfield to do so. Nothing wrong with doing that mind, just a different way to skin a cat. Hughes haas revealed in his interview that Diouf has played on the right before.
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Post by jezzascfc on Jul 30, 2014 15:01:29 GMT
If someone could help me with understanding tactics it would be greatly appreciated. What is so different for Bojan playing a false 9 as opposed to off Diouf? I love that we have both but surely it makes no sense to chase Diouf for so long only to move him to the wing... Any offensive team that doesnt have Bojan, Diouf, Arnie, Ireland and Odemwingie featuring would perplex me. I'd echo everything that Sheikhy has said above but would also add, that if Bojan was playing just 'off' Diouf, you would be using completely different tactics. You would essentially be playing with a '2' up top and would have to sacrifice a man in midfield to do so. Nothing wrong with doing that mind, just a different way to skin a cat. Hughes haas revealed in his interview that Diouf has played on the right before. The false 9 is best accompanied by inverted wingers - ie a left footer on the right and right footer on the left who cut inside and score their fair share of gaols, rather than touchline hugging wingers. As said above, the theory is the false 9 can drop deep and drags defenders out of position and then plays in the wingers who cut inside the full backs into the space left behind. This worked well for Arnie's run that won the penalty yesterday. I can see Hughes considering it in away games where we are under the cosh for long spells, as it can be a useful counter-attacking formation. At home, I'd think Diouf would more usually lead the line and it would be a choice of Ireland or Bojan in the hole, as a more typical number 10.
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