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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 29, 2014 19:35:47 GMT
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 29, 2014 19:40:49 GMT
United have about 14 midfielders choose from and we're discussing the choice of two. You can't have too many choices and fighting for places. Is this Torquay United or Carlisle United of whom you speak?
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jul 29, 2014 19:58:23 GMT
So much for all that bollocks about Bojan not starting games initially. Hughes is building the team around him and it's great to see. The Pulis era is long gone. Fuck knows what this means for Diouf. Could we genuinely see him start on the right in the future?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 29, 2014 19:58:35 GMT
The false 9 is an arrangement only really successfully deployed by two teams. One had Messi in it and one had three midfielder's of a lifetime in it. If deployed even half well it can be deathly dull to watch and infuriating, causing viewers to scream 'for fucks sake hit it to the big man and stop pissballing about'
Not for me.
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Post by jonnysidparto on Jul 29, 2014 20:05:02 GMT
False number 9? No! Diouf or Crouch up top. Drop Arnie? No! He's still our number one creative player until further notice. I can't wait to see Bojan but you can't just grant players a starting place.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2014 20:15:46 GMT
The false 9 is an arrangement only really successfully deployed by two teams. One had Messi in it and one had three midfielder's of a lifetime in it. If deployed even half well it can be deathly dull to watch and infuriating, causing viewers to scream 'for fucks sake hit it to the big man and stop pissballing about' Not for me. I agree but strangely it wasn't that dull to watch today!? Maybe because we played a version of it that included a loveable nutcase on the left wing and a Walters upgrade on the right?
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Post by jonnysidparto on Jul 29, 2014 20:17:21 GMT
Basically Arnie and Bojan should start together in my opinion. Diouf must start up front. We have been begging for a pacey striker for along time. I really don't see why Odemwingie and Diouf can't fight it out up top as similar type players
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Post by sportsman on Jul 29, 2014 20:18:45 GMT
Torquay and carlisle only have 14 players never mind midfielders
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jul 29, 2014 20:20:10 GMT
showed exactly why he is so good at playing in the hole. Let's hope that carries on as well as Bojan coming deep.
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Post by LDE76 on Jul 29, 2014 20:22:17 GMT
I remember Stoke playing a false number 9* a few seasons ago and it failed miserably.
*At least I think that's how Pericard was described.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2014 20:22:25 GMT
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Post by gezzer on Jul 29, 2014 20:30:24 GMT
Just love the Oatcake for the ability to right off a player for the whole of next season based on 45 minutes of play, in a friendly. What are some of you like .... well obviously you have no concept of player ability and that of a Manager to pick squad members that HE considers worthy of playing.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 29, 2014 20:33:00 GMT
I think you're thinking of Spain fella.
Although what Hughes did today was nothing like 4-6-0.
It was a 4-2-3-1 but with Bojan as the '1' playing as a false number 9.
If (and it's a massive if) Hughes can make it work, so that Diouf ghosts into the position that the man leading the line would ordinarily be occupying, then it could be genius.
I'm not even sure that Hughes knows himself what his best front four is and he could be experimenting as we speak.
I'm pretty certain it's Bojan's best position though and I'm pretty sure the player himself thinks so also.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jul 29, 2014 20:47:20 GMT
I remember Stoke playing a false number 9* a few seasons ago and it failed miserably. *At least I think that's how Pericard was described. You've clearly forgotten that bullet header against Sunderland, mate.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 29, 2014 20:48:08 GMT
So much for all that bollocks about Bojan not starting games initially. Hughes is building the team around him and it's great to see. The Pulis era is long gone. Fuck knows what this means for Diouf. Could we genuinely see him start on the right in the future? Don't get to excited, I still wouldn't read to much into it, if he starts our first Prem game then fair enough.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 29, 2014 20:49:37 GMT
Just love the Oatcake for the ability to right off a player for the whole of next season based on 45 minutes of play, in a friendly. What are some of you like .... well obviously you have no concept of player ability and that of a Manager to pick squad members that HE considers worthy of playing. Who's writing anyone off?
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Post by LDE76 on Jul 29, 2014 20:54:00 GMT
I remember Stoke playing a false number 9* a few seasons ago and it failed miserably. *At least I think that's how Pericard was described. You've clearly forgotten that bullet header against Sunderland, mate. That was his stepdad.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jul 29, 2014 21:00:26 GMT
You've clearly forgotten that bullet header against Sunderland, mate. That was his stepdad. Ironically we got 3 points too.
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Post by Olgrligm on Jul 29, 2014 21:04:14 GMT
So he's playing the Mama role then?
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Post by Trouserdog on Jul 29, 2014 21:14:25 GMT
It took me a while to work out what the fuck was going on, but it was indeed a false 9. For want of something better to call it, I described it to my son as a 4-2-4-0. Not that he's bothered, he's only 9 months old, but I had to share my love of Bojan with somebody. I thought we looked great on the counter attack, but like Momo I prefer to see us with a proper striker acting as a focal point. I'd be tempted to go: Ireland-Bojan-Arnie ------Diouf------- But with Ireland and Bojan rotating quite a bit.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2014 21:14:55 GMT
So he's playing the Mama role then? No, he's playing the Messi role. We've moved on.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2014 21:17:48 GMT
Shocking defending!! Will have to sort that out!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2014 21:17:49 GMT
We've had plenty of false number 9s over the years, it's nothing new.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2014 21:18:22 GMT
It took me a while to work out what the fuck was going on, but it was indeed a false 9. For want of something better to call it, I described it to my son as a 4-2-4-0. Not that he's bothered, he's only 9 months old, but I had to share my love of Bojan with somebody. I thought we looked great on the counter attack, but like Momo I prefer to see us with a proper striker acting as a focal point. I'd be tempted to go: Ireland-Bojan-Arnie ------Diouf------- But with Ireland and Bojan rotating quite a bit. I'm at the stage of "Look lad, Stoke" with my 2 year old. He looks midly amused for 2 seconds before returning to throwing toys at my newly erected effigy of Vale Park. That's couple of sweets in the bank for a bullseye.
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Post by swampySCFC on Jul 29, 2014 21:25:16 GMT
Is it just me but on that stream link earlier I noticed 3 things
1) We have a Russian fan club 2) Ireland has got a cunt stuck to his chin 3) Hughes took his dog to the game and it was standing by the bench in one of the frames
Sure I haven't had a drink tonight!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2014 21:36:48 GMT
Is it just me but on that stream link earlier I noticed 3 things 1) We have a Russian fan club 2) Ireland has got a cunt stuck to his chin 3) Hughes took his dog to the game and it was standing by the bench in one of the frames Sure I haven't had a drink tonight!!! That wasn't any old dog, it was Lassie. He normally wears the No 19 shirt but he had an unusual night off.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 29, 2014 21:37:00 GMT
It took me a while to work out what the fuck was going on, but it was indeed a false 9. For want of something better to call it, I described it to my son as a 4-2-4-0. Not that he's bothered, he's only 9 months old, but I had to share my love of Bojan with somebody. I thought we looked great on the counter attack, but like Momo I prefer to see us with a proper striker acting as a focal point. I'd be tempted to go: Ireland-Bojan-Arnie ------Diouf------- But with Ireland and Bojan rotating quite a bit.
I need to see a bit more before I can suggest what I'd prefer to see.
However I'm pretty certain that Ireland's best position is playing in the hole and Bojan's best position is playing as a false number nine.
Whether that means we'll see players ultimately not starting in their best positions or not starting at all, I'm not sure.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2014 21:38:20 GMT
It took me a while to work out what the fuck was going on, but it was indeed a false 9. For want of something better to call it, I described it to my son as a 4-2-4-0. Not that he's bothered, he's only 9 months old, but I had to share my love of Bojan with somebody. I thought we looked great on the counter attack, but like Momo I prefer to see us with a proper striker acting as a focal point. I'd be tempted to go: Ireland-Bojan-Arnie ------Diouf------- But with Ireland and Bojan rotating quite a bit. False 9,4-2-4-0,call it what you like but we didn't have anyone in the centre forward position and it didn't really work did it. We didn't create an awful lot of chances and Diouf was wasted on the right. I hope it was a 1 off experiment
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 29, 2014 21:46:49 GMT
It took me a while to work out what the fuck was going on, but it was indeed a false 9. For want of something better to call it, I described it to my son as a 4-2-4-0. Not that he's bothered, he's only 9 months old, but I had to share my love of Bojan with somebody. I thought we looked great on the counter attack, but like Momo I prefer to see us with a proper striker acting as a focal point. I'd be tempted to go: Ireland-Bojan-Arnie ------Diouf------- But with Ireland and Bojan rotating quite a bit. False 9,4-2-4-0,call it what you like but we didn't have anyone in the centre forward position and it didn't really work did it. We didn't create an awful lot of chances and Diouf was wasted on the right. I hope it was a 1 off experiment
Ah right ... so you're righting it off after one preseason friendly then?
I thought it was fascinating, something completely unexpected, something designed entirely to get the best out of Bojan.
First half we played some decent stuff, Ireland was great and Bojan scored a terrific goal, born out of how the tactics were specifically meant to work.
Maybe it will work, maybe it wont but there was enough there to see that it's worth another go (or two).
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jul 29, 2014 21:47:05 GMT
It took me a while to work out what the fuck was going on, but it was indeed a false 9. For want of something better to call it, I described it to my son as a 4-2-4-0. Not that he's bothered, he's only 9 months old, but I had to share my love of Bojan with somebody. I thought we looked great on the counter attack, but like Momo I prefer to see us with a proper striker acting as a focal point. I'd be tempted to go: Ireland-Bojan-Arnie ------Diouf------- But with Ireland and Bojan rotating quite a bit. Ireland has to play in the hole he's head and shoulders above anyone else we have in that position. Bojan has to play up top so someone is going to have to miss out. I reckon Bojan played up top would score a lot more goals than Diouf.
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