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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 29, 2014 18:02:46 GMT
Enjoyed the first 60 minutes plenty of positives going forward. Think Whelan will lose his place to Sidwell when the season starts. Man of match Ireland followed by Bojan and Bego. Why would we play Sidwell as a defensive midfielder, and over a player that doesn't deserved to be dropped?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2014 18:03:22 GMT
Thought Tex looked composed and played the ball well. Wouldn't like to rely on Butland for a whole season if Bego went. He looked to be at fault for the goal,Tex that is,wasn't aware there was a player behind him.Basic error really
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 29, 2014 18:04:10 GMT
The front lot looked decent up until the subs, apart from Diouf BUT he was out on the right and had to do a decent amount of covering for the right back, overall I think we did well enough.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jul 29, 2014 18:07:06 GMT
Enjoyed the first 60 minutes plenty of positives going forward. Think Whelan will lose his place to Sidwell when the season starts. Man of match Ireland followed by Bojan and Bego. Why would we play Sidwell as a defensive midfielder, and over a player that doesn't deserved to be dropped? I thought Whelan was poor far too many misplaced passes, he looks out of place with the players we now have. I'll admit we dont have a specialist holding midfielder and thats why i hoped Cattermole would sign but i think Sidwell can do a job there until we get one. EDIT: actually i think Cameron could also do a job there instead of Whelan.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 29, 2014 18:09:07 GMT
Well Hughes surprised us all there then, didn't he?
Since Bojan signed there has been tons of speculation on what formation we would play and where he would play specifically to accommodate him.
And who suggested that Diouf would play on the right, with Bojan playing as a false number 9? .... erm, not one single person.
A very, very different way of playing football for Stoke City or indeed for most teams in the Prem - very continental.
At times Bojan was coming so deep it was incredible, we weren't playing with a forward at all but his pace was always something the defenders were worried about, Diouf's work rate down the right, was excellent.
Can Hughes make that sort of set up work in the Prem?
Who knows but if he can, it'll be genius.
Not a chance that Charlie Adam or Peter Crouch would work using those type of tactics mind.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2014 18:10:27 GMT
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jul 29, 2014 18:11:31 GMT
Thought Tex looked composed and played the ball well. Wouldn't like to rely on Butland for a whole season if Bego went. He looked to be at fault for the goal,Tex that is,wasn't aware there was a player behind him.Basic error really Think the basics are there though he's still got a lot to learn. Would help if Palacios didn't make the defensive job twice what it should be. Would Bego have stopped either of those, maybe. Butland did an excellent stand in job when Bego/Sorro were out but he looked like he was short on confidence today.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jul 29, 2014 18:13:17 GMT
]At times Bojan was coming so deep it was incredible Let's hope it continues.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jul 29, 2014 18:14:13 GMT
Well Hughes surprised us all there then, didn't he?
Since Bojan signed there has been tons of speculation on what formation we would play and where he would play specifically to accommodate him.
And who suggested that Diouf would play on the right, with Bojan playing as a false number 9? .... erm, not one single person.
A very, very different way of playing football for Stoke City or indeed for most teams in the Prem - very continental.
At times Bojan was coming so deep it was incredible, we weren't playing with a forward at all but his pace was always something the defenders were worried about, Diouf's work rate down the right, was excellent.
Can Hughes make that sort of set up work in the Prem?
Who knows but if he can, it'll be genius.
Not a chance that Charlie Adam or Peter Crouch would work using those type of tactics mind.
yes very interesting, maybe Hughes will be the team around Bojan and his preferred way of playing. Or maybe it was a bit of an experiment who knows. That formation works for everyone except Diouf
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jul 29, 2014 18:14:51 GMT
Well Hughes surprised us all there then, didn't he?
Since Bojan signed there has been tons of speculation on what formation we would play and where he would play specifically to accommodate him.
And who suggested that Diouf would play on the right, with Bojan playing as a false number 9? .... erm, not one single person.
A very, very different way of playing football for Stoke City or indeed for most teams in the Prem - very continental.
At times Bojan was coming so deep it was incredible, we weren't playing with a forward at all but his pace was always something the defenders were worried about, Diouf's work rate down the right, was excellent.
Can Hughes make that sort of set up work in the Prem?
Who knows but if he can, it'll be genius.
Not a chance that Charlie Adam or Peter Crouch would work using those type of tactics mind.
Cant argue with any of that although i'm not sure it was Hughes intention that Bojan played so deep i just think that he cant help himself as he looks to get on the ball
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Post by Mezza on Jul 29, 2014 18:15:16 GMT
People may think this result isn't too bad as it was against Schalke who finished 3rd but this was their second team with hardly any if any first team players in it.
Yes we played some good stuff but the opponents were not as good as some people think.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 29, 2014 18:16:42 GMT
Why would we play Sidwell as a defensive midfielder, and over a player that doesn't deserved to be dropped? I thought Whelan was poor far too many misplaced passes, he looks out of place with the players we now have. I'll admit we dont have a specialist holding midfielder and thats why i hoped Cattermole would sign but i think Sidwell can do a job there until we get one. EDIT: actually i think Cameron could also do a job there instead of Whelan. Think I must have watched a different game, can't say I saw to many missed placed passes from him.
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 29, 2014 18:16:43 GMT
People may think this result isn't too bad as it was against Schalke or finished 3rd but this was their second team with hardly any if any first team players in it. Yes we played some good stuff but the opponents were not as good as some people think. It was a friendly.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 29, 2014 18:17:13 GMT
People may think this result isn't too bad as it was against Schalke who finished 3rd but this was their second team with hardly any if any first team players in it. Yes we played some good stuff but the opponents were not as good as some people think. The result doesn't matter regardless.
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Post by Mezza on Jul 29, 2014 18:17:23 GMT
People may think this result isn't too bad as it was against Schalke or finished 3rd but this was their second team with hardly any if any first team players in it. Yes we played some good stuff but the opponents were not as good as some people think. It was a friendly. Really, what have you that idea?
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 29, 2014 18:17:57 GMT
Really, what have you that idea? Come agian?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2014 18:18:00 GMT
Well Hughes surprised us all there then, didn't he?
Since Bojan signed there has been tons of speculation on what formation we would play and where he would play specifically to accommodate him.
And who suggested that Diouf would play on the right, with Bojan playing as a false number 9? .... erm, not one single person.
A very, very different way of playing football for Stoke City or indeed for most teams in the Prem - very continental.
At times Bojan was coming so deep it was incredible, we weren't playing with a forward at all but his pace was always something the defenders were worried about, Diouf's work rate down the right, was excellent.
Can Hughes make that sort of set up work in the Prem?
Who knows but if he can, it'll be genius.
Not a chance that Charlie Adam or Peter Crouch would work using those type of tactics mind.
I thought we would see Bojan on the right and Diouf down the middle. Its a brave move to play the way he did but friendlies are the time to take risks. It can work but we need both the wide men cutting in and getting themselves into position to score goals because if they don't we will suffer for it. Bojan showed what a career at Barca does for your technical ability, cracking touch and played some lovely balls through. That said i told my dad at the end of last season that Ireland will really shine next season. With better players around him he will be immense, has a sublime touch and great awareness and the canny knack of being in a goal scoring position more than once a game. If he works on his composure he has a chance of being a good 8-10 goal a season midfielder. I still believe Adam will be gone and Crouch will when his contract runs out, they just don't suit us.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 29, 2014 18:18:07 GMT
[quote author=" Paul Spencer" source="/post/4381307/thread" timestamp="1406657347[/p] Not a chance that Charlie Adam or Peter Crouch would work using those type of tactics mind.
[/quote] Not a chance we'll score many goals either in my view.
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Post by stokemanusa on Jul 29, 2014 18:19:14 GMT
I thought Whelan was poor far too many misplaced passes, he looks out of place with the players we now have. I'll admit we dont have a specialist holding midfielder and thats why i hoped Cattermole would sign but i think Sidwell can do a job there until we get one. EDIT: actually i think Cameron could also do a job there instead of Whelan. Think I must have watched a different game, can't say I saw to many missed placed passes from him. He did miss a few, but it's early still. I'm just glad we have sidwell to come in and not just palacios if whelan doesn't start.
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Post by Mezza on Jul 29, 2014 18:19:17 GMT
Of course it was a friendly and the result is irrelevant but some people seem to think that this was a good result when really it wasn't.
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Post by DelapsWankingArm on Jul 29, 2014 18:19:59 GMT
People may think this result isn't too bad as it was against Schalke who finished 3rd but this was their second team with hardly any if any first team players in it. Yes we played some good stuff but the opponents were not as good as some people think. The result is irrelevant.
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Post by sportsman on Jul 29, 2014 18:20:00 GMT
Playing Diouf on the right was more likely looking at options that we may need throughout the season. Also Diouf would have had a good workout on the right, good for fitness. Wouldn't read too much into it.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 29, 2014 18:20:12 GMT
Think I must have watched a different game, can't say I saw to many missed placed passes from him. He did miss a few, but it's early still. I'm just glad we have sidwell to come in and not just palacios if whelan doesn't start. I'd rather Cameron come in if it's as a DM, that's not Sidwells game.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 29, 2014 18:21:10 GMT
Well Hughes surprised us all there then, didn't he?
Since Bojan signed there has been tons of speculation on what formation we would play and where he would play specifically to accommodate him.
And who suggested that Diouf would play on the right, with Bojan playing as a false number 9? .... erm, not one single person.
A very, very different way of playing football for Stoke City or indeed for most teams in the Prem - very continental.
At times Bojan was coming so deep it was incredible, we weren't playing with a forward at all but his pace was always something the defenders were worried about, Diouf's work rate down the right, was excellent.
Can Hughes make that sort of set up work in the Prem?
Who knows but if he can, it'll be genius.
Not a chance that Charlie Adam or Peter Crouch would work using those type of tactics mind.
yes very interesting, maybe Hughes will be the team around Bojan and his preferred way of playing. Or maybe it was a bit of an experiment who knows. That formation works for everyone except Diouf That's the big question isn't it - Diouf? I'm sure he didn't expect to be playing in that position when he signed but his work rate down the flank was fantastic. I think the idea is that Bojan is very diffucult to mark due to his pace and his unorthodox positioning, which will take up a lot of concentration from the defenders, meaning that Diouf might get extra space to ghost in from the back. Will it work? Who knows but it's certainly interesting to watch.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2014 18:22:13 GMT
You would think the front 4 would be
Diouf
Arnie Bojan Odem
but where does that leave Ireland ? He can't do the deeper role can he.
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Post by stokemanusa on Jul 29, 2014 18:22:44 GMT
yes very interesting, maybe Hughes will be the team around Bojan and his preferred way of playing. Or maybe it was a bit of an experiment who knows. That formation works for everyone except Diouf That's the big question isn't it - Diouf? I'm sure he didn't expect to be playing in that position when he signed but his work rate down the flank was fantastic. I think the idea is that Bojan is very diffucult to mark due to his pace and his unorthodox positioning, which will take up a lot of concentration from the defenders, meaning that Diouf might get extra space to ghost in from the back. Will it work? Who knows but it's certainly interesting to watch. Lots of options!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2014 18:25:35 GMT
Why would we play Sidwell as a defensive midfielder, and over a player that doesn't deserved to be dropped? I thought Whelan was poor far too many misplaced passes, he looks out of place with the players we now have. I'll admit we dont have a specialist holding midfielder and thats why i hoped Cattermole would sign but i think Sidwell can do a job there until we get one. EDIT: actually i think Cameron could also do a job there instead of Whelan. I completely disagree with all of that. How bizarre some peoples view of the game is, puzzling. Whelan played well today, i doubt he misplaced any more passes than most of our players did at points during the game in fact i only remember 1. There were definitely players of ours who didn't have great games today but it's an early pre-season friendly game anyway. How does he look out of place with the players we now have? Today he played alongside Steven Nzonzi in a midfield which comprised Arnautovic and Ireland, in front of a back 4 which was made up of Shawcross, Huth, Pieters and Wilson, then Muniesa. The only new players on display for the most part were Bojan who played in front of him, who he linked up well with & Diouf who had a bit of a stinker but he needs time does the big lad. Explain how Whelan looked out of place amongst the players we now have because i'd like to know how arguably our player of last season now all of a sudden looks out of place when he's playing amongst players who he played alongside all last season bar Bojan & Diouf. You also hoped Cattermole would sign, well that's odd. Also, Sidwell isn't a defensive midfielder and to say Cameron would do a better job than Whelan is again....what? I dunno, i guess the great tapestry of life is that we all see things differently. I defend Whelan too much on here, basically because it's ridiculous how well he can play, then misplaces 1 pass and some folk treat him like he's the worst player we have. It's a funny old game.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jul 29, 2014 18:27:38 GMT
You would think the front 4 would be Diouf Arnie Bojan Odem but where does that leave Ireland ? He can't do the deeper role can he. Are you serious? You cannot leave Ireland out he is fantastic in the hole and makes everything tick, he's the first player on the teams sheet for me. I hope Bojan isn't going to take his place there because Ireland is the most important player in Hughes 4231 formation
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 29, 2014 18:30:48 GMT
Ireland was excellent today - MOM and showed exactly why he is so good at playing in the hole.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2014 18:33:11 GMT
You would think the front 4 would be Diouf Arnie Bojan Odem but where does that leave Ireland ? He can't do the deeper role can he. Are you serious? You cannot leave Ireland out he is fantastic in the hole and makes everything tick, he's the first player on the teams sheet for me. I hope Bojan isn't going to take his place there because Ireland is the most important player in Hughes 4231 formation So Ireland plays,who are you leaving out,Bojan ? Looks to me like Hughes is going to build his side around Bojan
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