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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 11:33:31 GMT
Well done Moeen !
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 31, 2014 11:37:26 GMT
Took full advantage of the overs he's been asked to bowl and the pitch on which to do it. Top stuff!
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Post by ukcstokie on Jul 31, 2014 11:37:54 GMT
I hope this inspire Moeen to work on his bowling. He could be quite good!
Who's going to man of the match: Moeen Anderson Ballance Bell Buttler?
I think I'd go for Buttler or Moeen.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 11:39:23 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 11:44:35 GMT
I hope this inspire Moeen to work on his bowling. He could be quite good! Who's going to man of the match: Moeen Anderson Ballance Bell Buttler? I think I'd go for Buttler or Moeen. Cook ? 95 and 70 not out Good captaincy ? ...... no I thought not
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Post by ukcstokie on Jul 31, 2014 11:47:08 GMT
I hope this inspire Moeen to work on his bowling. He could be quite good! Who's going to man of the match: Moeen Anderson Ballance Bell Buttler? I think I'd go for Buttler or Moeen. Cook ? 95 and 70 not out Good captaincy ? ...... no I thought not yep, good call - he should be in there too.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 11:47:35 GMT
I hope this inspire Moeen to work on his bowling. He could be quite good! Who's going to man of the match: Moeen Anderson Ballance Bell Buttler? I think I'd go for Buttler or Moeen. He would make a handy second spinner to bowl some overs when required As I've said a useful cricketer
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 31, 2014 11:48:52 GMT
We won every single session. VICTORY!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 11:48:56 GMT
Marvelous !
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 11:48:57 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 11:51:00 GMT
Well Done England ! .....well done Moeen Ali ! Well done Alistair Cook !
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 11:57:19 GMT
If you are referring to my evaluation of him mate , everything I said about him is valid and I've not seen anything different , I never suggested that he was not a good player but doubted the role he has been brought into the team for....I still think we need a a specialist spinner , no way does he come near to filling that position because he isn't a good enough bowler , but he has done a good job as a fill in , but that's not what we need I think you're right mate but he does seem to have a bit of a golden arm at the moment. To paraphrase Napoleon, "I know he's a good spinner, but is he lucky?” He has possibly been lucky......Who cares at the moment ?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 11:59:49 GMT
We won every single session. VICTORY! Text book test match victory !
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Post by salopstick on Jul 31, 2014 12:03:03 GMT
well done england
i will save the congratulations for cook til we win the series.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 31, 2014 12:05:47 GMT
Sharma out of OT too!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 12:09:06 GMT
If it's. Knee ligaments it will be end of series
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 31, 2014 12:10:00 GMT
We won every single session.
VICTORY! This. England bossed the entire test; the established stars stepped forward, the newcomers played major roles. As near to a perfect display as you're likely to get. But... One swallow doesn't make a summer. There are still big issues to be resolved; - Cook's welcome recovery of form as a batsmen does not mean his failings as a captain have disappeared.
- Moeen Ali is still a part time spinner. He's got a long way to go before he can be considered a front line bowler.
- We don't have a third seamer - they may have been a little unlucky but Jordan and Woakes didn't take a wicket in this game
So while there are loads of great positives to take from this victory - we should also be wary of false positives. There are lessons to be learned in victory as well as defeat.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 12:14:42 GMT
well done england i will save the congratulations for cook til we win the series. Credit where it's due mate ....he's received terrible and a lot of unfair criticism he made all the correct calls in this game good captaincy and a good personal return to form with the bat , well done I say
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Post by ukcstokie on Jul 31, 2014 12:15:10 GMT
I hope this inspire Moeen to work on his bowling. He could be quite good! Who's going to man of the match: Moeen Anderson Ballance Bell Buttler? I think I'd go for Buttler or Moeen. He would make a handy second spinner to bowl some overs when required As I've said a useful cricketer Can't believe Jimmy got MoM. 8 wickets for Moeen. 7 for Jimmy?
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jul 31, 2014 12:21:31 GMT
Great effort from pretty much the whole team.
Massive confidence boost.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 31, 2014 12:26:02 GMT
He would make a handy second spinner to bowl some overs when required As I've said a useful cricketer Can't believe Jimmy got MoM. 8 wickets for Moeen. 7 for Jimmy? Don't agree with it either, but maybe due to the fact he got a 5 for on a pitch that looked a good batting surface when India first came out?
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Post by salopstick on Jul 31, 2014 13:02:42 GMT
well done england i will save the congratulations for cook til we win the series. Credit where it's due mate ....he's received terrible and a lot of unfair criticism he made all the correct calls in this game good captaincy and a good personal return to form with the bat , well done I say one swallow and all that i think captaincy has affected his form massively, back to ashes hasnt helped. unfortunatley there is no other candidate. he ticks all the ECB boxes i hate modern day test cricket for the reasons we discussed yesterday with the followon. he is too cautious not a modern day test captain some of our results with him at the helm have been woeful, i think he should have managed pieterson better too.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 14:05:36 GMT
Credit where it's due mate ....he's received terrible and a lot of unfair criticism he made all the correct calls in this game good captaincy and a good personal return to form with the bat , well done I say one swallow and all that i think captaincy has affected his form massively, back to ashes hasnt helped. unfortunatley there is no other candidate. he ticks all the ECB boxes i hate modern day test cricket for the reasons we discussed yesterday with the followon. he is too cautious not a modern day test captain some of our results with him at the helm have been woeful, i think he should have managed pieterson better too. Mate Cook was the main instigator in getting Pietersen back into the England team after he was kicked out following the text message scandal during the South Africa series , he saved Pietersen's career at that time, and he was let down massively by him. Cook is every bit the modern England Test captain , The ECB don't want a pro active captain winning games in three days....the whole system of Test match cricket in this country is geared to games running the whole distance of five days , that's why so many good batting pitches are prepared these days
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 14:15:26 GMT
We won every single session.
VICTORY! This. England bossed the entire test; the established stars stepped forward, the newcomers played major roles. As near to a perfect display as you're likely to get. But... One swallow doesn't make a summer. There are still big issues to be resolved; - Cook's welcome recovery of form as a batsmen does not mean his failings as a captain have disappeared.
- Moeen Ali is still a part time spinner. He's got a long way to go before he can be considered a front line bowler.
- We don't have a third seamer - they may have been a little unlucky but Jordan and Woakes didn't take a wicket in this game
So while there are loads of great positives to take from this victory - we should also be wary of false positives. There are lessons to be learned in victory as well as defeat. Those three points that you mention are the ones that we have been debating for some time now, they are big issues as you say , but we seem just as far away as ever from solving them . I think that we could well win this series now , if we do there is no way that Cook will lose or give up the captaincy ,so that issue will be put on the back burner until if or when we start losing again. The main concern for me is the lack of wickets from our back up seamers , we need to look towards getting Finn back into the team as a priority ....especially with Australia looming on the horizon again next year.
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Post by salopstick on Jul 31, 2014 14:15:54 GMT
one swallow and all that i think captaincy has affected his form massively, back to ashes hasnt helped. unfortunatley there is no other candidate. he ticks all the ECB boxes i hate modern day test cricket for the reasons we discussed yesterday with the followon. he is too cautious not a modern day test captain some of our results with him at the helm have been woeful, i think he should have managed pieterson better too. Mate Cook was the main instigator in getting Pietersen back into the England team after he was kicked out following the text message scandal during the South Africa series , he saved Pietersen's career at that time, and he was let down massively by him. Cook is every bit the modern England Test captain , The ECB don't want a pro active captain winning games in three days....the whole system of Test match cricket in this country is geared to games running the whole distance of five days , that's why so many good batting pitches are prepared these days i cant wait for the books to get both sides of the story. good batting pitches work for both teams though, its more revenue to stop tests ending early with flat wickets. imo change is due, but there is no-one so we are stuck with him
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 14:20:23 GMT
He would make a handy second spinner to bowl some overs when required As I've said a useful cricketer Can't believe Jimmy got MoM. 8 wickets for Moeen. 7 for Jimmy? Any one of several players had a claim in this game , but it would have been good for Moeen to have got it , he performed better than anyone could have hoped for , he may never get another 6 for in his career and this was definately a match winning performance ...so a little unlucky
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 14:23:34 GMT
Mate Cook was the main instigator in getting Pietersen back into the England team after he was kicked out following the text message scandal during the South Africa series , he saved Pietersen's career at that time, and he was let down massively by him. Cook is every bit the modern England Test captain , The ECB don't want a pro active captain winning games in three days....the whole system of Test match cricket in this country is geared to games running the whole distance of five days , that's why so many good batting pitches are prepared these days i cant wait for the books to get both sides of the story. good batting pitches work for both teams though, its more revenue to stop tests ending early with flat wickets. imo change is due, but there is no-one so we are stuck with him That's what I was referring to with good pitches , they want games to last five days for the revenue , if you start bowling teams out and enforcing follow ons on a regular basis that's not going to happen
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 31, 2014 16:04:30 GMT
This. England bossed the entire test; the established stars stepped forward, the newcomers played major roles. As near to a perfect display as you're likely to get. But... One swallow doesn't make a summer. There are still big issues to be resolved; - Cook's welcome recovery of form as a batsmen does not mean his failings as a captain have disappeared.
- Moeen Ali is still a part time spinner. He's got a long way to go before he can be considered a front line bowler.
- We don't have a third seamer - they may have been a little unlucky but Jordan and Woakes didn't take a wicket in this game
So while there are loads of great positives to take from this victory - we should also be wary of false positives. There are lessons to be learned in victory as well as defeat. Those three points that you mention are the ones that we have been debating for some time now, they are big issues as you say , but we seem just as far away as ever from solving them . I think that we could well win this series now , if we do there is no way that Cook will lose or give up the captaincy ,so that issue will be put on the back burner until if or when we start losing again. The main concern for me is the lack of wickets from our back up seamers , we need to look towards getting Finn back into the team as a priority ....especially with Australia looming on the horizon again next year. I'm quite confident we can win the series. India have their own problems - in some ways not dissimilar to our; a poor tactial captain, no spinner, weak seam attack and (now actually unlike us) a key batsmen out of form (Kohli). Dhoni is a problem as well in that he is a poor test batsman; strange as he is so effective in ODIs. You are qute right that Cook is the captain to stay - so we've got to hope he gets advice and improves. What he needs to do isn't rocket science - just attack more when you are on top. Maybe he can change; he's a really bright chap. Depends a lot on Peter Moores though. India will be down right now - we've got to keep them down. The bowling is actually the bigegst concern. Doesn't really matter what captain you have if you have a limited bowling attack. Must admit - I am unsure what the attack should be!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 16:14:14 GMT
Those three points that you mention are the ones that we have been debating for some time now, they are big issues as you say , but we seem just as far away as ever from solving them . I think that we could well win this series now , if we do there is no way that Cook will lose or give up the captaincy ,so that issue will be put on the back burner until if or when we start losing again. The main concern for me is the lack of wickets from our back up seamers , we need to look towards getting Finn back into the team as a priority ....especially with Australia looming on the horizon again next year. I'm quite confident we can win the series. India have their own problems - in some ways not dissimilar to our; a poor tactial captain, no spinner, weak seam attack and (now actually unlike us) a key batsmen out of form (Kohli). Dhoni is a problem as well in that he is a poor test batsman; strange as he is so effective in ODIs. You are qute right that Cook is the captain to stay - so we've got to hope he gets advice and improves. What he needs to do isn't rocket science - just attack more when you are on top. Maybe he can change; he's a really bright chap. Depends a lot on Peter Moores though. India will be down right now - we've got to keep them down. The bowling is actually the bigegst concern. Doesn't really matter what captain you have if you have a limited bowling attack. Must admit - I am unsure what the attack should be! If we lose Anderson through suspension and Broad's knee happens to break down we have got real problems in the bowling department
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 31, 2014 16:41:31 GMT
I'm quite confident we can win the series. India have their own problems - in some ways not dissimilar to our; a poor tactial captain, no spinner, weak seam attack and (now actually unlike us) a key batsmen out of form (Kohli). Dhoni is a problem as well in that he is a poor test batsman; strange as he is so effective in ODIs. You are qute right that Cook is the captain to stay - so we've got to hope he gets advice and improves. What he needs to do isn't rocket science - just attack more when you are on top. Maybe he can change; he's a really bright chap. Depends a lot on Peter Moores though. India will be down right now - we've got to keep them down. The bowling is actually the bigegst concern. Doesn't really matter what captain you have if you have a limited bowling attack. Must admit - I am unsure what the attack should be! If we lose Anderson through suspension and Broad's knee happens to break down we have got real problems in the bowling department As we have just won, and I'm in an optimistic frame of mind, I like to think of that scenario as a great opportunity to bring forward the next generation of talent!
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