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Post by arnieforpresident on Jun 10, 2014 17:16:46 GMT
I suppose Odemwinge was freeloading at Cardif? Etherington was freeloading at West Ham? Beattie was Free Loading at Sheff Utd? Huth was freeloading at M'boro? Ireland was free loading at Villa? Adam was freeloading at Liverpool. I suppose Fuller was a Freeloader at Preston? It's funny, none of the above were pulling up any trees at their previous clubs yet they have done well here, can you even give me one good reaso why Darren Bent wouldn't follow suit? Bent is an out & out goalscorer anybody who tells me teams don't need one of them anymore is talking out their arse imo. Also telling me Bent would'nt work with three advanced forward players behind him like Arnautovic, Adam & Odemwinge? Seriously, I hope you are kidding. Bent like many a player who has lost his way has been unfortunate to work under some real uninspiring poor managers lately, & a number of them too. In the past couple of years he's been managed by McLeish, Lambert, Jol, Mulenstein & Penfold off Dangermouse. A lot of managers in a short space of time & shit ones at that. I'm unconvinced that Hughes can't get Bent enjoying his football aagain & firing at (only) the age of 30. Arnie, have you watched Darren Bent at all in the last two years? His type of striker doesn't suit us and he's been beyond slothful and knackered at two different clubs now. He's a step back. So many managers with so many different ideas in a short space of time would affect even the very best players performances imo, I'm convinced he'll turn out to be the coup of the season if he moves to a club like ours where all is settled with a good team allready. Jol paired him with Berbatov, it was never ever going to work, Lambert didn't like him because he didn't suit his style ( supposedly ) Diouf permanent and Bent on loan would be triffic business if you ask me.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2014 17:19:01 GMT
Arnie, have you watched Darren Bent at all in the last two years? His type of striker doesn't suit us and he's been beyond slothful and knackered at two different clubs now. He's a step back. So many managers with so many different ideas in a short space of time would affect even the very best players performances imo, I'm convinced he'll turn out to be the coup of the season if he moves to a club like ours where all is settled with a good team allready. Jol paired him with Berbatov, it was never ever going to work, Lambert didn't like him because he didn't suit his style ( supposedly ) Diouf permanent and Bent on loan would be triffic business if you ask me. It didn't work with any of them though did it and he doesn't suit our style either. That's before you factor in his dreadful attitude that saw him forced to train with the kids at Villa and had his own fans calling him a wanker at the Brit in May.
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Post by arnieforpresident on Jun 10, 2014 17:20:17 GMT
So many managers with so many different ideas in a short space of time would affect even the very best players performances imo, I'm convinced he'll turn out to be the coup of the season if he moves to a club like ours where all is settled with a good team allready. Jol paired him with Berbatov, it was never ever going to work, Lambert didn't like him because he didn't suit his style ( supposedly ) Diouf permanent and Bent on loan would be triffic business if you ask me. It didn't work with any of them though did it and he doesn't suit our style either. That's before you factor in his dreadful attitude that saw him forced to train with the kids at Villa and had his own fans calling him a wanker at the Brit in May. Doesn't that smack of Odemwingie though?
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Post by arnieforpresident on Jun 10, 2014 17:23:39 GMT
So many managers with so many different ideas in a short space of time would affect even the very best players performances imo, I'm convinced he'll turn out to be the coup of the season if he moves to a club like ours where all is settled with a good team allready. Jol paired him with Berbatov, it was never ever going to work, Lambert didn't like him because he didn't suit his style ( supposedly ) Diouf permanent and Bent on loan would be triffic business if you ask me. It didn't work with any of them though did it and he doesn't suit our style either. That's before you factor in his dreadful attitude that saw him forced to train with the kids at Villa and had his own fans calling him a wanker at the Brit in May. I'm not convinced he doesn't suit our counter attacking style, he can trap and pass a football out wide I've seen him do it with my very own eyes lol. I could see Arnautovic working well with Bent and supplying him a hatfull of goals. Not to mention both Adam & a right sided forward, all good footballers.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2014 17:31:37 GMT
A lone striker has to be more than a poacher. They have to hold the ball up, work the channels, be good in the air, put themselves about.
Bent was that player at Sunderland but that was a fair old while ago now. He's basically just a poacher - still a half-decent one when the mood takes him, but that isn't very often. The fox in the box is a dying breed in general. There just doesn't seem to be much room for them anymore.
Odemwingie is still fit as a flee. Bent can't stay fit and doesn't look interested in doing so. He's a man very much on the decline.
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Post by RAF on Jun 10, 2014 17:32:29 GMT
Bent has been finished for 3 seasons now. We don't need him or his fucking astronomical wages.
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Post by arnieforpresident on Jun 10, 2014 17:34:22 GMT
A lone striker has to be more than a poacher. They have to hold the ball up, work the channels, be good in the air, put themselves about. Bent was that player at Sunderland but that was a fair old while ago now. He's basically just a poacher - still a half-decent one when the mood takes him, but that isn't very often. The fox in the box is a dying breed in general. There just doesn't seem to be much room for them anymore. Odemwingie is still fit as a flee. Bent can't stay fit and doesn't look interested in doing so. He's a man very much on the decline. I'm not so sure, we play with the ball on the deck now and wehen we attack we go forward in numbers anyway so he isn't the lone striker a lot of the time.
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Post by arnieforpresident on Jun 10, 2014 17:36:40 GMT
Anyway this is a Sidwell thread not a Bent thread, I'll watch on with interest & hope he lands at a steady club with an attacking approach with a good manager like ours and see what he produces. I think if he ends up at a SouthAMPTON OR eVERTON OR SIMALAR A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL BE EATING HUMBLE PIE. (excuse the caps I can't be arsed type it again)
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Post by stokemanusa on Jun 10, 2014 18:04:39 GMT
Darren bent! Well he can get bent. He's a twat, in it for the money solely and has said several times he'd never come to stoke. I'm enjoying his career demise based on his decisions anyhow. Keep bloody dreaming. Even if it is a dream full of fantasy.
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Post by dutchstokie on Jun 10, 2014 18:05:38 GMT
Anyway this is a Sidwell thread not a Bent thread, I'll watch on with interest & hope he lands at a steady club with an attacking approach with a good manager like ours and see what he produces. I think if he ends up at a SouthAMPTON OR eVERTON OR SIMALAR A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL BE EATING HUMBLE PIE. (excuse the caps I can't be arsed type it again) A lot of people will be going hungry more like....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2014 19:32:37 GMT
So why did Hughes, a manager with an exemplary record with forwards, openly admit to trying and failing to sign him last summer? Because he was desperate for players maybe? Because he didn't entirely know the squad/system he wanted to work with yet? Why did he think Wilson Palacios was the man to anchor our midfield before he got his testes in a twist? I don't see how that means none of that stuff is true. If Bent had signed he'd have been a shocking signing, like Guidetti. Hughes just doesn't strike me as a manager that would panic buy a player of that magnitude. He seems a very thoughtful yet incisive manager. Guidetti is a harsh reference in the grand scheme of things.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2014 19:36:23 GMT
Because he was desperate for players maybe? Because he didn't entirely know the squad/system he wanted to work with yet? Why did he think Wilson Palacios was the man to anchor our midfield before he got his testes in a twist? I don't see how that means none of that stuff is true. If Bent had signed he'd have been a shocking signing, like Guidetti. Hughes just doesn't strike me as a manager that would panic buy a player of that magnitude. He seems a very thoughtful yet incisive manager. Guidetti is a harsh reference in the grand scheme of things. On the whole I've got faith in Hughes to get in a proper striker, and if he signs I think Diouf will prove to be the dogs'(home) bollocks. But could you see Bent fitting into the current set-up? I don't recall a long pursuit a la Diouf or even Guidetti, I think it's feasible that he was desperate to sign a striker and we were told he was available. Either way, a truly marvellous thing that we didn't sign him.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 15, 2014 10:03:51 GMT
Sunday People claim that he's on £50,000-a-week at Stoke after he turned down £30,000-a-week at Palace.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jun 15, 2014 11:09:52 GMT
Sunday People claim that he's on £50,000-a-week at Stoke after he turned down £30,000-a-week at Palace. I'd be very, very surprised if that is true.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2014 11:13:11 GMT
Probably 50k a week after bonuses and loyalty payments etc.
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Post by slpmarc on Jun 15, 2014 14:01:27 GMT
Probably 50k a week after bonuses and loyalty payments etc. That be more like it
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Post by stokiejoe on Jun 15, 2014 14:21:42 GMT
Probably 50k a week after bonuses and loyalty payments etc. That be more like it Assuming that is correct the total 2 year deal will have cost £2.5m ish very good business.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jun 15, 2014 15:03:09 GMT
I'd have said that Sidwell's wages will have included a signing on fee of about £1 million, amortised over the two years of the contract. So that would equate to £10k per week plus a basic wage plus bonuses.
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Post by The battheader chronicles on Jun 15, 2014 18:14:47 GMT
I'd have said that Sidwell's wages will have included a signing on fee of about £1 million, amortised over the two years of the contract. So that would equate to £10k per week plus a basic wage plus bonuses. Yeh the wages will sound higher because we're handing out good signing on bounuses due to the lack of transfer fees I reckon
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Post by slpmarc on Jun 15, 2014 18:43:19 GMT
I am glad people on here understand player amortisation and how it affects stoke accounts
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 15, 2014 18:48:28 GMT
50K a week on a 31 year old. Goodness me, this recruitment revolution is hitting full steam isn't it?
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Post by stokeramblers on Jun 15, 2014 19:03:24 GMT
I am glad people on here understand player amortisation and how it affects stoke accounts I also find it very heartening. Hip hip...
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Post by stokiejoe on Jun 15, 2014 19:13:38 GMT
50K a week on a 31 year old. Goodness me, this recruitment revolution is hitting full steam isn't it? Which is £2.5m plus a signing on fee of £1m supposedly making £3.5m for two years including transfer fee. As you say full steam indeed, great business
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Post by The battheader chronicles on Jun 15, 2014 19:14:38 GMT
I am glad people on here understand player amortisation and how it affects stoke accounts Amortisation? What's that's mean? Clearly I don't get it
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Post by slpmarc on Jun 15, 2014 19:40:46 GMT
I am glad people on here understand player amortisation and how it affects stoke accounts Amortisation? What's that's mean? Clearly I don't get it For clubs accounts transfer fee's and player bonuses ie signing on fees are taken across the length of his contract. So I Crouch's case his £10 mill fee over 4 years is taken as only £2.5 mill each year on the accounts
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Post by The battheader chronicles on Jun 15, 2014 19:42:15 GMT
Amortisation? What's that's mean? Clearly I don't get it For clubs accounts transfer fee's and player bonuses ie signing on fees are taken across the length of his contract. So I Crouch's case his £10 mill fee over 4 years is taken as only £2.5 mill each year on the accounts Oh right cheers
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Post by dutchstokie on Jun 16, 2014 12:32:31 GMT
I am glad people on here understand player amortisation and how it affects stoke accounts I also find it very heartening. Hip hip... may I also offer my sincerest contrafibularities to this meaningful agenda
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jun 16, 2014 13:09:07 GMT
Who is on 50k per week? Diouf, Sidwell or Bent?
Diouf will be on more than 50k per week at Stoke or will have had a golden hello than limits his wages to 50k per week when in reality he is getting more.
We just signed a striker on a free who we bid 7 or 8m for in the Summer. There is every chance that a significant sum of that 7 or 8m has gone into Diouf's bank account.
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Post by The battheader chronicles on Jun 16, 2014 13:16:17 GMT
Who is on 50k per week? Diouf, Sidwell or Bent? Diouf will be on more than 50k per week at Stoke or will have had a golden hello than limits his wages to 50k per week when in reality he is getting more. We just signed a striker on a free who we bid 7 or 8m for in the Summer. There is every chance that a significant sum of that 7 or 8m has gone into Diouf's bank account. Still a better way of doing it putting it in his arse pocket that to another club. Especially given how much of a twat that Hannover chairman was last summer
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