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Post by eddy on Apr 21, 2014 22:57:05 GMT
Where did all this Belgian talent come from? Only lacking at fullback .You can make a great XI just from their Premier League players
-------------------Mignolet-------------- Vertonghen----Kompany-----vermaelen ------------Fellaini--------Dembele------ Mirallas--------Hazard-----------Chadli ------------Lukaku--------Benteke---
Would be a handful, though I've had to shift some players around. Plus they have players like Courtois and Alderweireld from Atletico, van Buyten frm Bayern, de Bruyne from Wolfsburg, Witsel from Zenit, Mertens from Napoli.
A squad of Courtois, Mignolet, Casteels Vertonghen, Vermaelen, Kompany, van Buyten, Alderweireld,Lombaerts Fellaini, Dembele, Nainggolan, Witsel, de Bruyne, Mertens, Mirallas, Chadli, Both Hazards Benteke, Lukaku, Batshauyi
Is very tasty indeed compared to the squad England will likely put out
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 22, 2014 4:48:18 GMT
Belguim have the players but do they have the team??
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Post by vahl on Apr 22, 2014 9:31:50 GMT
Belguim have the players but do they have the team?? They already stink of 'golden generation' and will probably win Sweet FA. On paper they have to be one of the world's strongest squads though.
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Post by mailman44 on Apr 22, 2014 9:59:18 GMT
How can you not look at this Belgium team and not like their chances on a cheeky 14/1 bet? Young side but the players all have European tournament experience and play in the best leagues in the world. Can't see Mignolet starting over the lad from Athletico Madrid?, Courvasier (sic) is a class keeper. If Lukaku gets on song look out. Might be like watching Mexico 86 with Gerets, Schifo, and Preud'homme playing like a "boss" all over again.
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Post by Bowyer83 on Apr 26, 2014 5:50:59 GMT
What formation and squad do we think England will start with against Uruguay?
For me personally I would go with:
Hart
Johnson Cahill Terry/Shawcross Baines
Gerrard Henderson
Sterling Lallana Sturridge
Rooney
I know Terry as gone into international retirement but I still think he is one of our best centre backs and Hodgson should persuade him to play. Obviously Ryan would be my other choice but Roy wont pick him.
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Post by george2again on Apr 26, 2014 6:25:35 GMT
6 weeks of Woy on the box , including warm ups, nothing worse. Bright side he will be gone by July.
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 26, 2014 6:52:21 GMT
Why do people have a problem with Roy?? He's been a good England manager so far.
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Post by Trouserdog on Apr 26, 2014 6:59:28 GMT
Why do people have a problem with Roy?? He's been a good England manager so far. Shawcross.
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Post by Bowyer83 on Apr 26, 2014 7:16:17 GMT
Why do people have a problem with Roy?? He's been a good England manager so far. Shawcross. I agree Trouser generally any Stoke fan that moans about Roy will be down to the fact how he dropped Ryan after the Sweden display. Although I could never understand why in Euro 2012 he took Carroll over Crouchy after the season he just had. I will say this though he overachieved in 2012 for me, I said before the tournament if we got out of the group I would have being happy.
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 26, 2014 7:25:48 GMT
I agree Trouser generally any Stoke fan that moans about Roy will be down to the fact how he dropped Ryan after the Sweden display. Although I could never understand why in Euro 2012 he took Carroll over Crouchy after the season he just had. I will say this though he overachieved in 2012 for me, I said before the tournament if we got out of the group I would have being happy. I agree about 2012 Bowwyer. He only had a month to prepare and we did better than expected. As for Shawcross? Well, I thought Durban should have picked Loek Ursem more. I never grasped why Macari made strange goalkeepering picks. It doesn't make them crap managers.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2014 7:39:17 GMT
Why do people have a problem with Roy?? He's been a good England manager so far. I think it's the rigidness and excessive caution that comes with him to be honest. While that was the right approach in the Euros given he'd only just been appointed and we had a tough group (and we were a shoot out away from the semis, let's not forget), qualifying and the subsequent friendlies have shown him up for the unimaginative dinosaur he is IMO. A likeable chap and the only option if we wanted to go English but when Chile look light years ahead of you it's a bit of a worry. That he was pleased with how we played against Germany at home where we barely managed a shot on target against their reserves said it all. A Rodgers type is what I'd like to see next in the role.
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 26, 2014 9:06:55 GMT
Why do people have a problem with Roy?? He's been a good England manager so far. I think it's the rigidness and excessive caution that comes with him to be honest. While that was the right approach in the Euros given he'd only just been appointed and we had a tough group (and we were a shoot out away from the semis, let's not forget), qualifying and the subsequent friendlies have shown him up for the unimaginative dinosaur he is IMO. A likeable chap and the only option if we wanted to go English but when Chile look light years ahead of you it's a bit of a worry. That he was pleased with how we played against Germany at home where we barely managed a shot on target against their reserves said it all. A Rodgers type is what I'd like to see next in the role. The thing about caution is it's often the way underdogs have to approach. Uruguay in the 2011 Copa America were similar. The system has to be the rock because we don't have players good enough to be too open in the gameplan. Don't forget, English players are inferior. I'd like someone like Rodgers too BUT many are obsessed with the manager being English so that rules him out. Also what he's done with liverpool and Swansea is the result of lots of intense work with the players and at international level you don't get that time.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2014 9:11:21 GMT
I think it's the rigidness and excessive caution that comes with him to be honest. While that was the right approach in the Euros given he'd only just been appointed and we had a tough group (and we were a shoot out away from the semis, let's not forget), qualifying and the subsequent friendlies have shown him up for the unimaginative dinosaur he is IMO. A likeable chap and the only option if we wanted to go English but when Chile look light years ahead of you it's a bit of a worry. That he was pleased with how we played against Germany at home where we barely managed a shot on target against their reserves said it all. A Rodgers type is what I'd like to see next in the role. The thing about caution is it's often the way underdogs have to approach. Uruguay in the 2011 Copa America were similar. The system has to be the rock because we don't have players good enough to be too open in the gameplan. Don't forget, English players are inferior. I'd like someone like Rodgers too BUT many are obsessed with the manager being English so that rules him out. Also what he's done with liverpool and Swansea is the result of lots of intense work with the players and at international level you don't get that time. You don't but he's tactically flexible and gets the players to buy into his way which is a big part of the battle IMO. I think it's fair enough to approach some games cautiously but it seems to me that Roy, for all his international experience, only really knows one fairly predictable way and it's one that could end up stifling us as much as anything. Given we've no chance of winning it I'd rather see a few more enterprising experiments rather than grimly sticking men behind the ball and hoping to limp to the quarters.
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 26, 2014 9:19:32 GMT
It'd be good if Sterling could maintain his recent form. Much needed flair. Mind you that first game v Italy could see both sides happy to get it over and done with. Horrible situatiion.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2014 9:32:30 GMT
It'd be good if Sterling could maintain his recent form. Much needed flair. Mind you that first game v Italy could see both sides happy to get it over and done with. Horrible situatiion. I just worry that players like Sterling won't be given the freedom to express themselves in Roy's system. Moving Sturridge out wide to accommodate Rooney as a number 9 in the last match again suggested a bit of a panic and lack of imagination to me.
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Post by oggyoggy on Apr 26, 2014 9:45:41 GMT
If Roy doesn't build around Liverpool he is utterly clueless. Tell sturridge, stirling, gerrard, henderson and johnson to do what they do for Liverpool. Tell Lallana to play the coutinho role and pray rooney can replicate a bit of suarez. Baines in at left back and terry and cahill / shawcross and cahill at the back.
We would then have a decent team, full of attacking pace and flair. With players like milner and barry to solidify it from the bench and barkley and oxlade chamberlain to add energy.
Decent young squad. But most of all attacking and pacey.
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 26, 2014 9:48:12 GMT
The Liverpool contingent have to be involved yes.
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Post by vahl on Apr 26, 2014 10:32:50 GMT
The current squad of England players is screaming out for someone like Rodgers, Martinez, Guardiola, Wenger - a modern tactician that will utilise the enormous pace we've now got.
We're lacking defensively, we all know that but, what we can do is take the game to teams to compensate. Woy doesn't have the know-how or bollocks though, I'm afraid.
We'll see Milner lining up with Welbeck, Carrick will 'steady the ship' and Rooney will be wasted as a lone striker, again.
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Post by Bowyer83 on Apr 30, 2014 13:20:42 GMT
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Post by Bowyer83 on Apr 30, 2014 13:22:49 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2014 13:27:22 GMT
Saves Woy the awkward task of telling him he hadn't made it anyway.......
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Apr 30, 2014 14:27:32 GMT
I think it's the rigidness and excessive caution that comes with him to be honest. While that was the right approach in the Euros given he'd only just been appointed and we had a tough group (and we were a shoot out away from the semis, let's not forget), qualifying and the subsequent friendlies have shown him up for the unimaginative dinosaur he is IMO. A likeable chap and the only option if we wanted to go English but when Chile look light years ahead of you it's a bit of a worry. That he was pleased with how we played against Germany at home where we barely managed a shot on target against their reserves said it all. A Rodgers type is what I'd like to see next in the role. The thing about caution is it's often the way underdogs have to approach. Uruguay in the 2011 Copa America were similar. The system has to be the rock because we don't have players good enough to be too open in the gameplan. Don't forget, English players are inferior. I'd like someone like Rodgers too BUT many are obsessed with the manager being English so that rules him out. Also what he's done with liverpool and Swansea is the result of lots of intense work with the players and at international level you don't get that time. I'm with you on this Joe. Don't think Hodgson has done too much wrong. Sometimes you have to be pragmatic and grow into the tournament. Italy never start playing well until they reach about the semis. (Del Pierro v Germany?). Hodgson won a European semi final with Fulham by 4 - against Juve wasn't it? So maybe he can take the handbrake off when needs must. He's done OK in tournament footie with Switzerland, and he probably did better than most of us expected at the Euros. I genuinely enjoyed the Sweden game.
He's got some pace in the side now, and my guess is his tactics will be to get men behind the ball and break with pace from deep. Could be OK. Don't think we'll get past the quarters, but I think he might get the best out of the players at his disposal. He's already played a straight bat to the London press over Terry, so that's a plus point and may result in a happier camp.
Rodgers is a fantastic coach, but I thought he was given a lesson by Mourinho. If Rodgers had played out a cagey, safe 0-0 he would be lifting the league title in a couple of weeks. Maybe he believed his own hype. Now its back in the lap of the Gods, Everton and Palace.
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Post by andrewguk on Apr 30, 2014 19:47:59 GMT
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Post by swampySCFC on Apr 30, 2014 21:17:07 GMT
Dreary dreary expensive England.
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Post by JoeinOz on May 1, 2014 0:25:45 GMT
Marvellous journalism...... we now know footballers get older!!
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Post by thepremierbanksy on May 1, 2014 7:51:10 GMT
Belguim have the players but do they have the team??
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Post by FullerMagic on May 1, 2014 10:54:31 GMT
Flanagan is being heavily backed to get into the squad with Kyle Walker potentially out Squad oddsAbout 2/1 now, having been as high as 16/1 48 hours ago. Can't see the point. Take Johnson, Baines and Cole/Shaw and you've got the likes of Jones, Smalling and Milner to fill in on the right. Waste of a place when you need difference-makers on the bench
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Post by Bowyer83 on May 5, 2014 16:04:33 GMT
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Post by Pugsley on May 5, 2014 17:02:25 GMT
It'd be good if Sterling could maintain his recent form. Much needed flair. Mind you that first game v Italy could see both sides happy to get it over and done with. Horrible situatiion. I just worry that players like Sterling won't be given the freedom to express themselves in Roy's system. Moving Sturridge out wide to accommodate Rooney as a number 9 in the last match again suggested a bit of a panic and lack of imagination to me. It smacks of pandering to the 'big names'. A strong manager would have Rooney on the bench given his form and contributions at the last few tournaments. And I like Rooney, he's a fine player.
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Post by JoeinOz on May 6, 2014 8:16:02 GMT
I just worry that players like Sterling won't be given the freedom to express themselves in Roy's system. Moving Sturridge out wide to accommodate Rooney as a number 9 in the last match again suggested a bit of a panic and lack of imagination to me. It smacks of pandering to the 'big names'. A strong manager would have Rooney on the bench given his form and contributions at the last few tournaments. And I like Rooney, he's a fine player. I know what you mean Pugsley. Rooney is good for England. He may yet beat Bobby Charlton's record. BUT at tournaments he doesn't deliver enough. This might be his last chance majke an impression on the biggest stage of all. Lets hope he takes it.
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