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Post by Bowyer83 on Apr 7, 2014 20:47:23 GMT
I know its early but who gives a shit Im looking forward to this Summers World Cup. With Rodriguez sadly injured who will take his place in the squad presuming he would have being picked? Will any of our fellow english Stoke players get a look in? I can answer that anyway NO!!!! Will Andy Carroll be included for his 2 goals scored this season? Will England make it out of the group of death? Will Roy Hodgson go powerwank crazy and choose every available English Southampton player? Will the shit sniffing, toe rimming, fart smelling, piss drinking, turd nudging, jizz eating, odious little twat face Jack Wilshere be in Englands Starting eleven? Will Hodgson utilise and pick the top inform players instead of the so called BIG name players? Will Rooney actually turn up? In all seriousness it would be cracking if England can put on a good show and have a good solid tournament. COME ON ENGLAND!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by block27row27 on Apr 8, 2014 7:23:20 GMT
I'm not expecting any surprises
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Apr 8, 2014 7:28:26 GMT
England were wank and knocked out. Bring on 2014/15 season.
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Post by basingstokie on Apr 8, 2014 7:40:36 GMT
Personally I think our chances of making it out of the group are 50:50 at best and if we do then we'll go out in the second round. Nothing else really matters
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Post by nott1 on Apr 8, 2014 8:05:54 GMT
Probably a very short lasting thread!
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Post by jeycov on Apr 8, 2014 8:13:42 GMT
Re Andy Carroll - I would select Ricky Lambert ahead of him
Unless there are several more injuries to the "most likely squad of players" then I don't believe that Roy will select a player from Stoke.
Hopefully they will progress beyond the group stage
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Post by Mint Berry Barks on Apr 8, 2014 8:16:14 GMT
I'm pretty sure we'll make it out of the group as Uruguay and Italy are hardly world beaters nowadays. Beyond that, I'll be happy to just see us upset some of the bigger nations and enjoy our football. We aren't going to win the World Cup so just give the fans something to watch and enjoy.
Now that Rodriguez is out it has to be Sturridge, Rooney, Lambert and another. Probably Welbeck since he can provide an option on the wing as well as through the middle although he most likely won't get played.
The Premier League as a whole has really done us a favour this year as a lot of impressive English partnerships have been successful for a few clubs. Gerrard and Henderson should be nailed on as the deep midfield 2 with Sturridge and Sterling in the attack. The Southampton lads will have a big say as well as a decent partnership in defence between Baines and Jagielka. It's all fresh and different and I think we can impress for a change.
If you can't look forward to a World Cup in Brazil then I'm not sure football is for you.
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Post by britsabroad on Apr 8, 2014 8:16:22 GMT
With the form the mostly English Liverpool lot are in we could have a half decent tournament. Rooney can also slot in in Suarez's spot, and is also the only one in the England squad anywhere close to his level.
They key to getting far will be the players completely ignoring Hodgson's rubbish and doing what they do for their club.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Apr 8, 2014 8:19:33 GMT
With the form the mostly English Liverpool lot are in we could have a half decent tournament. Rooney can also slot in in Suarez's spot, and is also the only one in the England squad anywhere close to his level. They key to getting far will be the players completely ignoring Hodgson's rubbish and doing what they do for their club. Rooney is an over rated twat who does fuck all in the big competitions. He is shit for the shit in Europe and is shit for England. He can't do the big stage.
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Post by Mint Berry Barks on Apr 8, 2014 8:24:58 GMT
With the form the mostly English Liverpool lot are in we could have a half decent tournament. Rooney can also slot in in Suarez's spot, and is also the only one in the England squad anywhere close to his level. They key to getting far will be the players completely ignoring Hodgson's rubbish and doing what they do for their club. Rooney is an over rated twat who does fuck all in the big competitions. He is shit for the shit in Europe and is shit for England. He can't do the big stage. On this season's form, there's a very good argument for leaving him out of the starting XI. It'd require Woy to grow a huge pair of bollocks but a midfield and attack of: Gerrard(c) Henderson Sterling Barkley Lallana Sturridge could be pretty cool.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2014 8:37:28 GMT
We have a team of ageing 'has-beens' whose careers have been very lucrative to them . In international games they have had very limited success given their so called prestige and wages. We do have the odd one or two decent players , but nothing you might call world class. The key to any success we might have is a well drilled and organised defence that is allowed to get forward and support the midfield. Our midfield with Gerard and Lampard in it is getting on a bit and needs new blood and creativity to cope with the heat and humidity. Do we have good reasons to get excited ,.....well not really. A team with out real stars is like trying to bite into an apple without any teeth....it doesn't make much of an impression. Hodgson will do his best to rally the troops and British press , but I fear the mood could turn nasty. Just glad I'm not a pub landlord hoping for a summer gold rush.
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Post by britsabroad on Apr 8, 2014 9:31:37 GMT
Rooney is an over rated twat who does fuck all in the big competitions. He is shit for the shit in Europe and is shit for England. He can't do the big stage. On this season's form, there's a very good argument for leaving him out of the starting XI. It'd require Woy to grow a huge pair of bollocks but a midfield and attack of: Gerrard(c) Henderson Sterling Barkley Lallana Sturridge could be pretty cool. Obviously you haven't seen him play once this year then, its been one of his best seasons. Years of shit managers and bad team selections doesn't change the fact he's the only special talent we have if he's played in the right setup.
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Post by Trouserdog on Apr 8, 2014 10:58:09 GMT
I can't wait. We've got no chance of winning it, but I think we might surprise a few people and make it to the quarters, where we'll probably get dumped out by Brazil. To answer the questions... With Rodriguez sadly injured who will take his place in the squad presuming he would have being picked? I suppose Welbeck is the obvious alternative. I think I'd have taken him ahead of Rodriguez anyway (just). Will any of our fellow english Stoke players get a look in? I can answer that anyway NO!!!!Not a prayer. Like most people on here, I would definitely take Ryan. Will Andy Carroll be included for his 2 goals scored this season? I hope he is. I think we need someone different to the other forwards, and so it's a straight call between him and Lambert. Very close call between them. Will England make it out of the group of death? I honestly think we might. How good are Uruguay apart from Suarez? Will Roy Hodgson go powerwank crazy and choose every available English Southampton player? No, I think he'll pick Cole ahead of Shaw at left-back. Will the shit sniffing, toe rimming, fart smelling, piss drinking, turd nudging, jizz eating, odious little twat face Jack Wilshere be in Englands Starting eleven? Doesn't deserve to be on form, but I'd have him in the squad. Will Hodgson utilise and pick the top inform players instead of the so called BIG name players? Other than Ryan and maybe Curtis Davies, I can't think of anyone else who really falls into this bracket. Will Rooney actually turn up? We need him to. He can't be any worse than in 2010, surely? In all seriousness it would be cracking if England can put on a good show and have a good solid tournament. Read more: oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/post/new/229078#ixzz2yI6OvNWz
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Apr 8, 2014 11:10:23 GMT
With the back 4 at our disposal I'm not confident. I could see Roy trying not to lose v Italy and Uruguay, then trying to beat already out Costa Rica by a few in the last game. He'll try to go through with a minimum of 5 points and a healthy goal difference, and hope one of Italy or Uruguay puts the other out.
If we qualify we'll probably play one of Colombia/Greece/Ivory Coast as winners or runners up of Group C.
Should we get through that it looks like it will be either Brazil/Spain or Holland, so maybe Adios in the quarters as usual.
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 8, 2014 11:16:08 GMT
Indeed. But what defines a good solid tournament is the issue. Some will complain because we don't win it. Probably the same people who go on about England being rubbish. Hows that for paradox?
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 8, 2014 11:16:13 GMT
I think we'll get out of the group. Apart from Suarez and Cavani, Uruguay don't seem a great squad.
And then maybe Colombia or Japan in the last 16? I fancy the Japs for the runners-up in Group C. Again, just about winnable.
And then it looks like the usual QF defeat as Okey says.
I;m more optimistic than I thought I'd be 2 yrs ago. It's a relatively exciting crop of players emerging. I do wish we had a more forward-thinking manager though. Woy is yesterday's man.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Apr 8, 2014 11:20:22 GMT
But who, FM? I'd rather go with an Englishman, so the short list is, well, short.
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Post by Trouserdog on Apr 8, 2014 11:22:55 GMT
But who, FM? I'd rather go with an Englishman, so the short list is, well, short. If we extend it to British managers, Brendan Rogers would be the obvious call. Would he want to vacate the Liverpool job though, as there's clearly a long-term plan there. Maybe he'd take it on part-time like you can in Football Manager!?
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 8, 2014 11:24:59 GMT
But who, FM? I'd rather go with an Englishman, so the short list is, well, short. Yeah. A name is difficult, Okey. The pull of the England job is not what it was, so people like Rodgers and Martinez wouldn't look twice even if we did go down the non-English route. Next England Manager OddsThe lack of realistic English names says it all!
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Apr 8, 2014 11:31:48 GMT
Based on this season Rodgers looks to be an great coach, tactician and man manager, but it still doesn't feel right not to have an Englishman in charge. And would he take it?
Looking at the League, Pardew, Bruce and Allardyce are the most successful English managers. Scary.
Should we be putting a rising star in with Roy to learn the ropes? If it's not an ex player like Gary Neville who has no managerial experience, there doesn't seem to be one.
Just wonder if the FA might go for Arsene Wenger if he packs it in at Arsenal.
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Post by vahl on Apr 8, 2014 11:35:54 GMT
An important point here is that we can forget the failings of the so-called 'golden generation' now and hopefully push on because this current squad of England players, for me, is placed under no pressure to succeed.
This England team has more potential than it gets credit for though and because there's never been such low expectation for an England squad before, I hope this takes the pressure off a few of the big name players and we see their Premier League form that we all know and love on the world stage. Media pressure has been an achilles heel for how long now?
My heart tells me we have an outside chance to make the final and my head tells me we'll lose on penalties in the QF as usual.
I agree with FM on Hodgson being 'yesterday's man' as well - there's a chance with England to really hurt teams if tactically correct and is not often the case when Woy reverts to the good ol' English way.
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 8, 2014 11:39:39 GMT
The clamour for an English manager meant it came down to Roy or Harry. They made the right choice.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Apr 8, 2014 11:41:48 GMT
I hope you're right, but I think our defence will be found wanting, and for some reason, 11 English players just can't seem to keep possession, or sometimes even pass to a bloke wearing the same coloured shirt.
I would definitely take Andy Carroll as a game changer off the bench. There are just not many like him in international football, and I think he'll frighten defenders and goalkeepers to death when he attacks the ball in the air with such conviction. That was some goal against Sunderland the other week.
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 8, 2014 11:44:58 GMT
English players can't keep possession as well as other players because the culture of English football traditionally hasn't placed importance on it.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Apr 8, 2014 11:50:54 GMT
Yep, good point. What you do off the ball is so important and we don't seem to take up positions that encourage ball retention. You're so right, it's not in our footballing culture.
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Post by salopstick on Apr 8, 2014 11:54:50 GMT
engaland are shit, the golden generation are gone we will have a poor world cup based on selecting the same people who rarely perform, and i will watch every game
if we are starting a new squad with the young liverpool and saints lads with some wiser experienced heads lets go the whole hog and put an up and coming young manager in it - eddie howe? dyche? pearson
with no english managers at top clubs we should go for youth desire and inexperience over prem league mediocrity
we cannot be no worse
my rules for squad selection: play for at least 50% of club games - do not get in squad sit in the reserves at big clubs - do not get in squad shit but play for a big club - do not get in squad good for club shit for country - do not get in squad too big to go to the U21s when needed and get valuable tournament and match experience - do not get in squad a niggly injury before a friendly but play for club on saturday - do not get in squad
5 thats 5, roy are you listening 5 take 5 fucking strikers you fool
you dont retire from international football, the manager retires you
id rather an england squad that wants to be there, plays together as a team than the same tired predictable selection
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 8, 2014 11:57:17 GMT
As nippers kids haven't been encouraged to play short passes. As a result when a colleague further forward can get in position to receive they don't have confidence to do so because it might mean neglecting their positional responsibility. BUT it is changing for the better.
Hard to believe total football was actually an English invention innit!
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 8, 2014 11:57:28 GMT
I can't wait. We've got no chance of winning it, but I think we might surprise a few people and make it to the quarters, where we'll probably get dumped out by Brazil. To answer the questions... With Rodriguez sadly injured who will take his place in the squad presuming he would have being picked? I suppose Welbeck is the obvious alternative. I think I'd have taken him ahead of Rodriguez anyway (just). Will any of our fellow english Stoke players get a look in? I can answer that anyway NO!!!!Not a prayer. Like most people on here, I would definitely take Ryan. Will Andy Carroll be included for his 2 goals scored this season? I hope he is. I think we need someone different to the other forwards, and so it's a straight call between him and Lambert. Very close call between them. Will England make it out of the group of death? I honestly think we might. How good are Uruguay apart from Suarez? Will Roy Hodgson go powerwank crazy and choose every available English Southampton player? No, I think he'll pick Cole ahead of Shaw at left-back. Will the shit sniffing, toe rimming, fart smelling, piss drinking, turd nudging, jizz eating, odious little twat face Jack Wilshere be in Englands Starting eleven? Doesn't deserve to be on form, but I'd have him in the squad. Will Hodgson utilise and pick the top inform players instead of the so called BIG name players? Other than Ryan and maybe Curtis Davies, I can't think of anyone else who really falls into this bracket. Will Rooney actually turn up? We need him to. He can't be any worse than in 2010, surely? In all seriousness it would be cracking if England can put on a good show and have a good solid tournament. Read more: oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/post/new/229078#ixzz2yI6OvNWzI think I'd be bold and leave out Wilshere and Cole. We don't want another injury race with Wilshere where a player comes in undercooked (although I can't see Roy going in without him) And Cole has played about as many games as me this year, as experienced as he is. Shaw looks the real deal, and he'd benefit more than Cole from the trip. I'd just take the 7 defenders, to free up space for another impact player further forward. Let's not waste squad spaces on people who won't play. I'd go with Frankie Lamp's experience....just about. And Ox and Milner can play centrally. Chuck in as many versatile attacking players as possible, who can have an impact off the bench. Hart Foster Ruddy
Johnson Jones Smalling Cahill Jagielka Baines Shaw
Gerrard Henderson Lallana Barkley Milner Lampard Ox Sterling
Rooney Sturridge Carroll Welbeck +1 I would've put Rodriguez in my last spot - but I'm not sure now who I'd go with. Townsend seems off-form after becoming a fringe player. I thought Lennon looked good yesterday, but his ship seems to have sailed.
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Post by salopstick on Apr 8, 2014 12:00:55 GMT
I can't wait. We've got no chance of winning it, but I think we might surprise a few people and make it to the quarters, where we'll probably get dumped out by Brazil. To answer the questions... With Rodriguez sadly injured who will take his place in the squad presuming he would have being picked? I suppose Welbeck is the obvious alternative. I think I'd have taken him ahead of Rodriguez anyway (just). Will any of our fellow english Stoke players get a look in? I can answer that anyway NO!!!!Not a prayer. Like most people on here, I would definitely take Ryan. Will Andy Carroll be included for his 2 goals scored this season? I hope he is. I think we need someone different to the other forwards, and so it's a straight call between him and Lambert. Very close call between them. Will England make it out of the group of death? I honestly think we might. How good are Uruguay apart from Suarez? Will Roy Hodgson go powerwank crazy and choose every available English Southampton player? No, I think he'll pick Cole ahead of Shaw at left-back. Will the shit sniffing, toe rimming, fart smelling, piss drinking, turd nudging, jizz eating, odious little twat face Jack Wilshere be in Englands Starting eleven? Doesn't deserve to be on form, but I'd have him in the squad. Will Hodgson utilise and pick the top inform players instead of the so called BIG name players? Other than Ryan and maybe Curtis Davies, I can't think of anyone else who really falls into this bracket. Will Rooney actually turn up? We need him to. He can't be any worse than in 2010, surely? In all seriousness it would be cracking if England can put on a good show and have a good solid tournament. Read more: oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/post/new/229078#ixzz2yI6OvNWzI think I'd be bold and leave out Wilshere and Cole. We don't want another injury race with Wilshere where a player comes in undercooked (although I can't see Roy going in without him) And Cole has played about as many games as me this year, as experienced as he is. Shaw looks the real deal, and he'd benefit more than Cole from the trip. I'd just take the 7 defenders, to free up space for another impact player further forward. Let's not waste squad spaces on people who won't play. I'd go with Frankie Lamp's experience....just about. And Ox and Milner can play centrally. Chuck in as many versatile attacking players as possible, who can have an impact off the bench. Hart Foster Ruddy
Johnson Jones Smalling Cahill Jagielka Baines Shaw
Gerrard Henderson Lallana Barkley Milner Lampard Ox Sterling
Rooney Sturridge Carroll Welbeck I would've put Rodriguez in my last spot - but I'm not sure now who I'd go with. Townsend seems off-form after becoming a fringe player. I thought Lennon looked good yesterday, but his ship seems to have sailed. always 5 strikers you have the likes of jones who can fill in at the expensse of a midfielder or defender
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 8, 2014 12:04:22 GMT
always 5 strikers you have the likes of jones who can fill in at the expensse of a midfielder or defender Yeah. I agree. I've only put 22 names down. And the 23rd would definitely be an attacking player, whether it's a Townsend/Lennon type or another out-and-out forward like Defoe or Lambert. Depends if we're going to be playing with just the one forward or not. I like the idea of Sturridge playing centrally with Rooney and Sterling either side of him.
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