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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 8, 2014 12:06:11 GMT
I'm not convinced Martinez would turn the job down, I'd be happy for him to be appointed too.
Lambert over Carroll for me, even if it's just to take the first penalty!
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Apr 8, 2014 12:07:35 GMT
Lennon's days are long gone I think Grapey. The Ox, Sterling and Welbeck can give us width as can Lallana if played out wide so I'd leave a fairly oridnary Townsend at home too.Otheriwse I can't see much wrong with your squad but you could argue that based on goals and performance Lambert would be unlucky to miss out to Carroll but I understand your rationale.
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 8, 2014 12:07:32 GMT
Where's Lallana's best position?
Could he play as the most advanced in a midfield 3 with Gerrard and Henderson?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2014 12:08:44 GMT
I can't wait. We've got no chance of winning it, but I think we might surprise a few people and make it to the quarters, where we'll probably get dumped out by Brazil. To answer the questions... With Rodriguez sadly injured who will take his place in the squad presuming he would have being picked? I suppose Welbeck is the obvious alternative. I think I'd have taken him ahead of Rodriguez anyway (just). Will any of our fellow english Stoke players get a look in? I can answer that anyway NO!!!!Not a prayer. Like most people on here, I would definitely take Ryan. Will Andy Carroll be included for his 2 goals scored this season? I hope he is. I think we need someone different to the other forwards, and so it's a straight call between him and Lambert. Very close call between them. Will England make it out of the group of death? I honestly think we might. How good are Uruguay apart from Suarez? Will Roy Hodgson go powerwank crazy and choose every available English Southampton player? No, I think he'll pick Cole ahead of Shaw at left-back. Will the shit sniffing, toe rimming, fart smelling, piss drinking, turd nudging, jizz eating, odious little twat face Jack Wilshere be in Englands Starting eleven? Doesn't deserve to be on form, but I'd have him in the squad. Will Hodgson utilise and pick the top inform players instead of the so called BIG name players? Other than Ryan and maybe Curtis Davies, I can't think of anyone else who really falls into this bracket. Will Rooney actually turn up? We need him to. He can't be any worse than in 2010, surely? In all seriousness it would be cracking if England can put on a good show and have a good solid tournament. Read more: oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/post/new/229078#ixzz2yI6OvNWzI think I'd be bold and leave out Wilshere and Cole. We don't want another injury race with Wilshere where a player comes in undercooked (although I can't see Roy going in without him) And Cole has played about as many games as me this year, as experienced as he is. Shaw looks the real deal, and he'd benefit more than Cole from the trip. I'd just take the 7 defenders, to free up space for another impact player further forward. Let's not waste squad spaces on people who won't play. I'd go with Frankie Lamp's experience....just about. And Ox and Milner can play centrally. Chuck in as many versatile attacking players as possible, who can have an impact off the bench. Hart Foster Ruddy
Johnson Jones Smalling Cahill Jagielka Baines Shaw
Gerrard Henderson Lallana Barkley Milner Lampard Ox Sterling
Rooney Sturridge Carroll Welbeck +1 I would've put Rodriguez in my last spot - but I'm not sure now who I'd go with. Townsend seems off-form after becoming a fringe player. I thought Lennon looked good yesterday, but his ship seems to have sailed. I'd pretty much go with that FM, only I'd probably take Barry and Lambert instead of Smalling and Lampard.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 8, 2014 12:11:15 GMT
Where's Lallana's best position? Could he play as the most advanced in a midfield 3 with Gerrard and Henderson?
Yeah he definitely could, Roy needs to sort out pretty soon, which way round he's going to do it.
There's a school of thought that says Rooney should lead the line, with Sturridge and Sterling either side of him.
So many permutations.
EDIT: Personally, I think I'd go with
------Henderson----Gerrard-------
Sterling------Rooney-------Lallana
--------------Sturridge--------------
But I'd be happy to see 4-3-3 tried as well.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Apr 8, 2014 12:13:53 GMT
Eddie Howe didn't like leaving Bournemouth for Burnley, so heaven knows how he'd go on at Lancaster Gate. That's part of the problem. Because of the influx of foreign managers, our younger managers are not getting any big match experience.
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Post by Trouserdog on Apr 8, 2014 12:15:35 GMT
Hart Foster Ruddy
Johnson Jones Shawcross Cahill Jagielka Baines Shaw
Gerrard Henderson Lallana Barkley Carrick Wilshere Ox Sterling
Rooney Sturridge Carroll Welbeck Townsend That'd be my squad FullerMagic, although I suspect you'd go Shawcross over Smalling as well if it wasn't so obvious that Roy won't ever give him another cap. Tough call in midfield but I'd take Wilshere over Lampard. We have to look to the future, and while Gerrard is still world class at 33, I don't think Lampard is the player he was. I'd also take Carrick over Milner, purely because if we play a 4-3-3 I think he'd be a better bet to play the deep-lying role. Otherwise, we only have Gerrard (or maybe Jones at a push) who could do that. I like Townsend's direct approach to wing play so I'd still take him, despite the fact that Sherwood doesn't seem to rate him. He's a game changer on his day, and that's what we need. As limited as I think he is, Milner is a useful player to have in the squad, but I can't think of anyone whose place he should take. I think each and every one of those midfielders above have a very specific role to play. He'd probably be next in line for me if there are any injuries between now and June.
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Post by Trouserdog on Apr 8, 2014 12:19:04 GMT
Based on this season Rodgers looks to be an great coach, tactician and man manager, but it still doesn't feel right not to have an Englishman in charge. And would he take it? Looking at the League, Pardew, Bruce and Allardyce are the most successful English managers. Scary. Should we be putting a rising star in with Roy to learn the ropes? If it's not an ex player like Gary Neville who has no managerial experience, there doesn't seem to be one. Just wonder if the FA might go for Arsene Wenger if he packs it in at Arsenal. If it has to be an Englishman, I think Steve Bruce is the only candidate currently in work. I wouldn't be averse to seeing Hoddle return either, despite the number of years he's been out of management.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2014 12:19:47 GMT
If it has to be an Englishman, we're absolutely spannered for the forseeable future.
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 8, 2014 12:20:43 GMT
Hoddle was a decent England manager but fell foul of the Shearer curse.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Apr 8, 2014 12:29:33 GMT
I would have Hoddle before Bruce, but would like to see him back in work.
Paul, I just think Carroll is the ultimate blunt instrument. Neither he nor Lambert is going to start, so its the last 15-20 mins when we really need something different. I don't think Carroll is as good as Lambert, but I think he's more effective in the super sub role in a tournament of 6 or 7 games max.
I would also take Defoe as an extra striker. We're going to need to score to progress and that lad has experience and quality. He'd also be fresh, and would only really be cover if Sturridge was injured. I'm just not convinced about Danny Wellbeck right up top yet.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Apr 8, 2014 12:42:53 GMT
With Rodriguez' pace now not an option would Ings be considered? Very similar players although obviously a huge, huge gamble but it's hardly as if we're blessed with in-form, confident strikers.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Apr 8, 2014 13:20:14 GMT
Ings? Seriously?
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Apr 8, 2014 13:22:43 GMT
Get Harry in!
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Post by dirtygary69 on Apr 8, 2014 13:47:55 GMT
Just throwing it out there. Surely now Rodriguez has dropped out there's no point taking two lumps in Carroll and Lambert. He's the top scorer in The Championship, very similar to Rodriguez and in better form (although injured at the moment) than Carroll, Defoe and Welbeck. He'll be a PL player come the summer whatever the outcome at Burnley. Sturridge Rooney Lambert Welbeck Ings
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Apr 8, 2014 14:17:15 GMT
Whatever his merits, there is no way Hodgson would take Ings. He's more likely to go with four strikers.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Apr 8, 2014 14:21:43 GMT
I'm not convinced Martinez would turn the job down, I'd be happy for him to be appointed too.
Lambert over Carroll for me, even if it's just to take the first penalty! I think the lack of international or even Champion's League experience would rule out Martinez (I know, Hoddle and McClaren had none). There's very little choice, which is why we ended up with Hodgson.
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Post by thestatusquo on Apr 8, 2014 14:31:13 GMT
We've not looked that good of late and I think we'll struggle to get out of the group. We don't score enough goals.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Apr 8, 2014 14:36:36 GMT
Whatever his merits, there is no way Hodgson would take Ings. He's more likely to go with four strikers. We'll probably take three and claim that Phil Jones can also play there if required.
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Post by Bowyer83 on Apr 8, 2014 19:50:40 GMT
Watching Gary Cahill tonight I cant help but think what a decent partnership it could be if Ryan was given a chance.
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 11, 2014 12:28:17 GMT
I'm hoping those who have blossomed for Liverpool this season don't go shit in Brazil.
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Post by partickpotter on Apr 11, 2014 15:14:02 GMT
I'm hoping those who have blossomed for Liverpool this season don't go shit in Brazil. Apart from Suarez!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2014 23:05:58 GMT
Pretty excited for it tbh
Makes pre season go a lot quicker, football always on the box
I'll have my England flag up and my wall chart on the wall
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2014 23:10:41 GMT
Barkley starting ahead of Rooney? Jesus!
How would that be on merit?! He's done well in a very good Everton side but he's hardly set the world on fire. Good player who will get better but I wouldn't want him starting
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Post by Bowyer83 on Apr 12, 2014 22:06:58 GMT
Got to mention Shawcross on this thread, just being hopeful but if we can continue this fine form hopefully Ryan will have a glimmer of hope for the WC squad. This is what we all want to see.....
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 13, 2014 6:27:13 GMT
Shawcy deserves a chance IMHO but it's clear he isn't going get one yet.
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Post by str8outtahampton on Apr 13, 2014 8:20:16 GMT
Probably indecently early to resurrect/update. Apologies. I think 1-5 may be ticked off, and I can personally vouch for 6.
1. England qualify flakily for Brazil 2014 (and France, Russia and Qatar). 2. Everyone agrees that qualification is the most important thing (which it is). 3. Pundits and journalists begin to talk earnestly about a "new generation" of players 4. German squad and Lightning Seeds release "Fussball ist nach Hause angekommen" - eclipsing the pitiful England offering 5. Raggedy flags of St George appear on white vans and houses 6. Panini stickers on sale in Costcutters 7. Lazy articles in the press abound about samba/Copacabana/carnival/Mexico 70. 8. Large numbers of people who otherwise take no interest in football talk knowledgeably (or ignorantly - take your pick) about Sturridge, Shaw and Lallana as "world class" 9. Media becomes increasingly hysterical - anything less than the semi-final will be a disaster 10. Geoff Hurst says he "has a feeling" this is England's year 11. So does John Barnes - accompanied by endless clips of his goal at the Maracana. Endless clips also of Oxlade-C's and Rooney's more recent goals at the same ground. 12. England stumble through group stage, including at least one goalkeeping and one defensive howler 13. England humiliated by first half decent team they meet in knockout stage - quite possibly a team on a fraction of their wages 14. Blame apportioned to (delete as appropriate) - being too tired at the end of a PL season/ball too light (or heavy)/heat/altitude/internal travel/inferior accommodation/presence of WAGs/absence of WAGs/ boredom/opposition's "technical" superiority/refereeing incompetence/lack of goal-line technology/too many foreigners in PL/players' use of social networking/anti-capitalism riots/etc 15. Blame never apportioned to lack of skill, ability to pass and move into space or tendency to lose concentration 16. "Team England" attempt to fly into Stansted unnoticed at 3.00 am. 17. Team England ambushed by press in Stansted arrivals lounge at 3.10 am. 18. Team England lynched and disemboweled on the front and back pages 19. Much hand-wringing, followed by root and branch review of tactics/coaching/youth development/grass roots game 20. Manager replaced and Hodgson (and his successors in 2018 and 2022) takes job in Moldova/Middle East/Middlesbrough 21. Repeat every two years.
I cannot wait either..!
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Post by Bowyer83 on Apr 14, 2014 19:02:02 GMT
Does anybody think the Caulker will get a place in this summers World Cup squad?
Despite Cardiff having a miserable season I think he will.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2014 19:08:07 GMT
Does anybody think the Caulker will get a place in this summers World Cup squad? Despite Cardiff having a miserable season I think he will. He's done absolutely nothing to merit one,so he probably will,just based on the fact that he plays for one of the top clubs...... Oh shit that's that theory blown out of the water
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Post by Bowyer83 on Apr 14, 2014 19:11:27 GMT
Does anybody think the Caulker will get a place in this summers World Cup squad? Despite Cardiff having a miserable season I think he will. He's done absolutely nothing to merit one,so he probably will,just based on the fact that he plays for one of the top clubs...... Oh shit that's that theory blown out of the water Spot on fella!!!
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