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Post by 2004 on Jun 11, 2014 7:13:51 GMT
I can't watch it Why can't you warch it?? I'm out Saturday/Sunday morning where I cannot watch the game. It's going straight on as soon as I get back though
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 11, 2014 7:25:35 GMT
I'm out Saturday/Sunday morning where I cannot watch the game. It's going straight on as soon as I get back though Where will you be that it's unwatchable?? That's tough mate.
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Post by 2004 on Jun 11, 2014 7:29:34 GMT
I'm out Saturday/Sunday morning where I cannot watch the game. It's going straight on as soon as I get back though Where will you be that it's unwatchable?? That's tough mate. I would rather not say if thats ok. I will be straight on the Oatcake after I watch it to see the 20 page thread on why England are terrible!
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 11, 2014 7:31:29 GMT
Where will you be that it's unwatchable?? That's tough mate. I would rather not say if thats ok. I will be straight on the Oatcake after I watch it to see the 20 page thread on why England are terrible! It will be because Shawcross didn't get picked.
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Post by 2004 on Jun 11, 2014 7:35:20 GMT
I would rather not say if thats ok. I will be straight on the Oatcake after I watch it to see the 20 page thread on why England are terrible! It will be because Shawcross didn't get picked. Probably!
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Post by geoff321 on Jun 11, 2014 7:56:47 GMT
German scientists have predicted every World Cup result, with their country losing to Spain in the final.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 11, 2014 9:57:45 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 11, 2014 10:09:00 GMT
MirrorEngland's Raheem Sterling set for No10 role in World Cup opening match against Italy
Rooney on the left? Presumably that's with Sturridge playing in the centre. I just can't fathom that at all, they ought to be the other way around. I've no issue with Sterling in the middle, but I'm not keen on seeing Lallana shoed in on the right hand side.
Yeah he's going to end up with the right four players but with every single one of them playing in the wrong position.
It should be ...
------------Lallana--------------
Sterling---Rooney---Sturridge
with Rooney slightly advanced.
Although it sounds like he's going to go with ...
Lallana----Sterling---Rooney
-----------Sturridge----------
Hopefully the players themselves will sort it out once they got out on the pitch.
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Post by 2004 on Jun 11, 2014 10:45:01 GMT
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jun 11, 2014 10:51:26 GMT
Hahaha, WOW! Really been nurtured into a top quality playing surface. Is that real?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2014 11:22:02 GMT
Just drawn England in the sweep at work. Jesus wept.
Lets hope Welbeck is crocked!
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 11, 2014 13:00:01 GMT
2 more sleeps!!
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Post by Mason_Stokie on Jun 11, 2014 16:31:20 GMT
I'm going to Sao Paulo for work July 6th to 11th. I'm sure England will be well gone by then but to watch the 2 semi's there will be immense.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 11, 2014 19:43:55 GMT
Manaus pitch looks even worse in this one. What a shocking state of affairs! Telegraph“Frankly, Manaus is in bad shape,” Botella said. “We’ve started to implement an emergency plan to try to save the field and improve it as much as possible, but I don’t think it’ll be in good condition by the weekend. “Yesterday we put fertilizer, and we’ll increase the fertilizing process with biostimulants and seeds to try to get the most out of the grass.”
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Post by LDE76 on Jun 11, 2014 19:48:06 GMT
Manaus pitch looks even worse in this one. What a shocking state of affairs! Saturday could be fun. Two European teams playing a high-stakes game in Amazonian conditions on a pitch which resembles dot matrix paper.
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Post by Olgrligm on Jun 11, 2014 20:00:49 GMT
Just drawn England in the sweep at work. Jesus wept. Lets hope Welbeck is crocked! I got the same. I'd have had a better chance with bloody Iran.
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Post by 2004 on Jun 11, 2014 20:10:26 GMT
Just drawn England in the sweep at work. Jesus wept. Lets hope Welbeck is crocked! I got the same. I'd have had a better chance with bloody Iran. I got Argentina
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2014 20:16:40 GMT
Just drawn England in the sweep at work. Jesus wept. Lets hope Welbeck is crocked! I got the same. I'd have had a better chance with bloody Iran.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2014 22:59:13 GMT
Rooney on the left? Presumably that's with Sturridge playing in the centre. I just can't fathom that at all, they ought to be the other way around. I've no issue with Sterling in the middle, but I'm not keen on seeing Lallana shoed in on the right hand side.
Yeah he's going to end up with the right four players but with every single one of them playing in the wrong position.
It should be ...
------------Lallana--------------
Sterling---Rooney---Sturridge
with Rooney slightly advanced.
Although it sounds like he's going to go with ...
Lallana----Sterling---Rooney
-----------Sturridge----------
Hopefully the players themselves will sort it out once they got out on the pitch.
I agree with your 'should be', it seems almost every ex England international or pundit agrees with your 'should-be', but it seems certain that Hodgson is going to play those four in the wrong positions. Watching England in these tournaments is a massive frustration, I think the last time the manager picked the best team in their best positions was in 1996. Since then I've objected to every manager's tactics and I think we will get it wrong yet again. Just pick the best players in their best positions Woy! Although, looking at the state of the pitch and the conditions I think we could be set for a very strange game with both teams seeking to be cautious and sit deep. I don't think there will be much in the way of chances for anyone. It will take a mistake from a defender to win it for either team. I'm sticking my money on a draw. The Uruguay game will be a cup final to us that we have to win, but if we can somehow come up with a plan to beat Italy then a point a piece from the other games will be enough
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Post by kristoff on Jun 12, 2014 6:56:41 GMT
I agree with your 'should be', it seems almost every ex England international or pundit agrees with your 'should-be', but it seems certain that Hodgson is going to play those four in the wrong positions. Watching England in these tournaments is a massive frustration, I think the last time the manager picked the best team in their best positions was in 1996. Since then I've objected to every manager's tactics and I think we will get it wrong yet again. Just pick the best players in their best positions Woy! Although, looking at the state of the pitch and the conditions I think we could be set for a very strange game with both teams seeking to be cautious and sit deep. I don't think there will be much in the way of chances for anyone. It will take a mistake from a defender to win it for either team. I'm sticking my money on a draw. The Uruguay game will be a cup final to us that we have to win, but if we can somehow come up with a plan to beat Italy then a point a piece from the other games will be enough Frustrating is the perfect word, its why so much bile is posted about them. This squad is from the from best squad we've had for a while, but i really do think if they are all sent out to go for the win we could do far better than most people would think. As said over the last few tournaments, we do not have world class players, Cole (as much as i despise the vile little twat and god help me i do) was the only one we had, but he's past it now, i think Baines will do fine. But the players we do have can mostly be frightening for most teams, Italy will literally be shitting themselves for people like Sterling and Barkley (Barkley may not be ready for first team but slap him and lambert on for the last 20 and they'll cause problems). As for Rooney, we may not think a lot of him at the moment, but if he hits his stride he will bang them in for fun as he has always done, the problem is getting his form right as its always been. My only worry is Gerrard and Henderson. I have not seen Gerrard play well for a good long while, im sick of seeing 40 yeard balls to no where, in the heat we cant have our players burning energy chasing long balls that no matter how much the media say are great balls clearly aint. As for Henderson, if Gerrard aint in that team Henderson wouldnt be either (just like Heskey riding Owens coat tails for so long). With how Wilshere can play when he wants to, i wouldve tried him and Jones in those positions (as we have no other CDM option worryingly) and let the front 4 of Sturridge, Rooney, Lallana and Sterling go crazy up front. Having said all that, it seems to me the movement up front has been getting worse in each friendly, and that must be something to do with Woy
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Post by str8outtahampton on Jun 12, 2014 8:07:25 GMT
Thanks for the crossword. However, I am struggling with the final clue. 14 across. "Perennially overrated, under-achieving, defensively frail, concentration-lacking, basic skills deficient, world class salaried, golden showered generation." 7 letters. E-----D. Any help gratefully received.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2014 8:45:33 GMT
Thanks for the crossword. However, I am struggling with the final clue. 14 across. "Perennially overrated, under-achieving, defensively frail, concentration-lacking, basic skills deficient, world class salaried, golden showered generation." 7 letters. E-----D. Any help gratefully received. out of interest........if we are overrated anyway then surely we're not under achieving?
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jun 12, 2014 9:01:47 GMT
Manaus pitch looks even worse in this one. What a shocking state of affairs! Telegraph“Frankly, Manaus is in bad shape,” Botella said. “We’ve started to implement an emergency plan to try to save the field and improve it as much as possible, but I don’t think it’ll be in good condition by the weekend. “Yesterday we put fertilizer, and we’ll increase the fertilizing process with biostimulants and seeds to try to get the most out of the grass.” As much as I'm looking forward to the World Cup, this just shows how incompetent FIFA are. I know the Brazilian FA will have given promises to having stadia finished by certain times but why not go for somewhere that had all the infrastructure already in place and give it to them in 2018? The pitches and stadia should all be top quality for the biggest sporting event in the world and to see a pitch in that condition two days before a game is due to be played is laughable.
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Post by str8outtahampton on Jun 12, 2014 9:04:23 GMT
Thanks for the crossword. However, I am struggling with the final clue. 14 across. "Perennially overrated, under-achieving, defensively frail, concentration-lacking, basic skills deficient, world class salaried, golden showered generation." 7 letters. E-----D. Any help gratefully received. out of interest........if we are overrated anyway then surely we're not under achieving? That's a fair point. But the two are not necessarily mutually exclusive. They have in general in recent (and not so recent) tournaments been overrated - including by themselves. And the the "under-achiever" tag has routinely been paraded after those same tournaments - also including by the players themselves. Personally I think they have tended to achieve to their (relatively modest) potential.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2014 9:14:21 GMT
out of interest........if we are overrated anyway then surely we're not under achieving? That's a fair point. But the two are not necessarily mutually exclusive. They have in general in recent (and not so recent) tournaments been overrated - including by themselves. And the the "under-achiever" tag has routinely been paraded after those same tournaments - also including by the players themselves. Personally I think they have tended to achieve to their (relatively modest) potential. agreed to be honest i think the only people that think we under achieve are those that get swept up by the bullshit media frenzy that happens every tournament (the media slag us off saying we're shit for the months beforehand then when the tournament actually starts they change their mind and tell us to get behind the lads and we're going to do it etc. then slate us when we go out saying we should have done better depsite them telling us how crap we were for months beforehand) 2010 we underachieved but apart from that i think most people are fully aware that England have no right whatsoever to expect even a final appearance. it's down to the media and the absolute idiots that swallow everything they say (and we have to remember that there are tens of thousands of people that don't even watch football normally yet suddenly become experts when a major tournament takes place, they're usually the ones that cause the hysterical bullshit when we go out in the quarters)
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Post by str8outtahampton on Jun 12, 2014 9:22:50 GMT
That's a fair point. But the two are not necessarily mutually exclusive. They have in general in recent (and not so recent) tournaments been overrated - including by themselves. And the the "under-achiever" tag has routinely been paraded after those same tournaments - also including by the players themselves. Personally I think they have tended to achieve to their (relatively modest) potential. agreed to be honest i think the only people that think we under achieve are those that get swept up by the bullshit media frenzy that happens every tournament (the media slag us off saying we're shit for the months beforehand then when the tournament actually starts they change their mind and tell us to get behind the lads and we're going to do it etc. then slate us when we go out saying we should have done better depsite them telling us how crap we were for months beforehand) 2010 we underachieved but apart from that i think most people are fully aware that England have no right whatsoever to expect even a final appearance. it's down to the media and the absolute idiots that swallow everything they say (and we have to remember that there are tens of thousands of people that don't even watch football normally yet suddenly become experts when a major tournament takes place, they're usually the ones that cause the hysterical bullshit when we go out in the quarters) We are in full agreement. But whether they genuinely believe it or not, the players have also often bought into the convenient "under-achievement" mantra. It is much easier to say "I performed below par" than "I am not quite as good as my salary suggests". And of course going out in the quarters (which I think is beyond England) would be fine. It places a team between 5 and 8 in the world for heaven's sake...
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 12, 2014 9:26:43 GMT
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jun 12, 2014 9:29:17 GMT
Our inexperienced squad could work either way - it could be a blessing or it could be our downfall. It's definitely exciting though and if we have to adopt a 'we'll score more than you' mentality then so be it. Only Italy have ever done well with a defensive-minded set up in recent times and they're known for their staunch, gritty determination tinged with a hint of gamesmanship.
I'm confident of getting through the group but I think the Italy game is huge. Win it and we're through (no disrespect to Costs Rica), it's that simple.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 12, 2014 9:44:53 GMT
I think it's actually come full circle now, and the current squad is slightly under-rated and the victim of the sins of previous squads. The majority of the fans are level-headed about the prospects. And that's reflected in this: Guardian articleI think this squad give over a humbler vibe and Woy carries himself pretty well. The kind of knee-jerk England bashing could well be out of place this time 'round.
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Post by lastoftheldk on Jun 12, 2014 9:45:36 GMT
Think it's the weakest England squad I can remember at a tournament, just can't see the likes of sterling etc doing much
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