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Wilko
Apr 6, 2014 10:06:10 GMT
Post by chiswickpotter on Apr 6, 2014 10:06:10 GMT
Dave, Wilkinson is shocking, and in contrary to your opinion he WAS by far the worst player on the pitch, Crouch and Odemwingie had no service whatsoever, they fed on scraps at best. And.... why in a world where there is so much to get angry about.... why do you get angry about crouch ? What you know about football could be written on the back of a postage stamp. Palacios, Adam, Palacios and Arnie were all as bad, if not worse than Wilko. Palacios and Adam were poor, Palacios spends too much time on the floor but Wilko was poor defendinga nd very poor ont he ball when we got it wide. Arnie can't be included in this though, he made 6 or 7 excellent run into space and wascrying out for a pass but no-one has the vision and technique to deliver until N'Zonzi at the ned. Despite this he kept tracking back and trying to get on the ball. Arnoe can't be comapred to the other three, he is on another planet in footballing terms. The defeat yesterday was due to a failure in central midfield, Matic got away for the firsta nd there was no shield for the second or third goals
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Wilko
Apr 6, 2014 10:08:16 GMT
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Post by foxysgloves on Apr 6, 2014 10:08:16 GMT
Bloke hasn't played since the old King died and is written off after being roasted at Chelsea. Standard Stoke fan wankery. The most depressing thing is the predictability of the knicker wetting fookwittery that swamps the board after every poor performance.
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Wilko
Apr 6, 2014 10:09:26 GMT
Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 6, 2014 10:09:26 GMT
Wilko was shit yesterday as was every single member of our team but I have seen nothing, absolutely nothing to suggest that Geoff Cameron is a better right back than him. If I was judging an athletics competition or recruiting a Marine then its Geoff all the way. Introduce a football then things get a bit more cloudy! Yes but we don't all factor in your hatred of all things American. I love lots of Americana. The Wire The bloke who shot Ronald Reagan A stripper in Vegas called Josette
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Wilko
Apr 6, 2014 10:11:18 GMT
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Post by trigger on Apr 6, 2014 10:11:18 GMT
Heard that the extension offer was based on a solid performance up against Shea in a knock about down at CW.
The club now have ways of going in the right direction by getting such players off the books, surely there's better "younger" players in the lower leagues we can try and improve as face it Wilkos never going to be any better than an embarrassing excuse as a PL player.
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Wilko
Apr 6, 2014 10:12:37 GMT
Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2014 10:12:37 GMT
Often, you learn more in a defeat than you do when you're on a winning run. What did I learn from yesterday?
1. We still looked better 'style wise' than any pre-LMH side we have seen. For the first 20 minutes it was chalk and cheese (after that, we lost our way totally). 2. Every team has a bad day at the office. They are 78 games unbeaten, better sides than us have got tonked there. Move on. 3. Palacios should be a back-up, last resort CM moving forward. Time to give up hope I think, that he'll even be a shadow of his former self. 4. Cameron - we need to upgrade at RB and he needs to become a back-up CDM. 5. Wilko - I don't give a shit about where a player comes from, as long as he's good enough, he isn't, and for that reason, I'm out!
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Wilko
Apr 6, 2014 10:37:10 GMT
Post by metalhead on Apr 6, 2014 10:37:10 GMT
Bloke hasn't played since the old King died and is written off after being roasted at Chelsea. Standard Stoke fan wankery. This is what Stoke fans, or perhaps Oatcakers do though. We bring on a guy, who hasn't played for fucking forever (I mean, I genuinely can't remember the last time he played) and expect him to deal with super skilful players like Hazard as if he's the best right back in the Prem. The penalty was clumsy, but it was no more clumsy than the way Pieters lost Salah at the backpost, or the way Palacios gave the ball away... time and time and time again. Wilko is a good squad player. Now if you can find someone better for free, then I'll change my beliefs and say we should release Wilko at the end of his contract.
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Wilko
Apr 6, 2014 10:37:59 GMT
Post by metalhead on Apr 6, 2014 10:37:59 GMT
Not a full back as per with the later post naming Shotton (the winger as described by one famous observer. Cameron has been inconsistent this year but in all honesty but I am happier seeing him there if that is the choice. The fact that two Stoke players who are not full backs are offered up sort of makes my point. Going back to Cameron I think he is the sort of player every squad needs; able to cover adequately a number of positions. A sort of latter day Eric "Ecka" Skeels if you will. Wilko was shit yesterday as was every single member of our team but I have seen nothing, absolutely nothing to suggest that Geoff Cameron is a better right back than him. If I was judging an athletics competition or recruiting a Marine then its Geoff all the way. Introduce a football then things get a bit more cloudy! I think Geoff did okay before he went off to be honest. I assume it was for an injury?
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Wilko
Apr 6, 2014 10:40:17 GMT
Post by crapslinger on Apr 6, 2014 10:40:17 GMT
Often, you learn more in a defeat than you do when you're on a winning run. What did I learn from yesterday? 1. We still looked better 'style wise' than any pre-LMH side we have seen. For the first 20 minutes it was chalk and cheese (after that, we lost our way totally). 2. Every team has a bad day at the office. They are 78 games unbeaten, better sides than us have got tonked there. Move on. 3. Palacios should be a back-up, last resort CM moving forward. Time to give up hope I think, that he'll even be a shadow of his former self. 4. Cameron - we need to upgrade at RB and he needs to become a back-up CDM. 5. Wilko - I don't give a shit about where a player comes from, as long as he's good enough, he isn't, and for that reason, I'm out! Wilko has generally done a decent job as an out and out defender for Stoke, considering his favoured position is CB he has filled in reasonably well, we have/are changing the style of football under Hughes, Wilko is limited and suited the negative defend at all costs tactics employed by Pulis, time to let Wilko go and find regular first team football wherever that may be.
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Wilko
Apr 6, 2014 10:43:41 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 6, 2014 10:43:41 GMT
Not a full back as per with the later post naming Shotton (the winger as described by one famous observer. Cameron has been inconsistent this year but in all honesty but I am happier seeing him there if that is the choice. The fact that two Stoke players who are not full backs are offered up sort of makes my point. Going back to Cameron I think he is the sort of player every squad needs; able to cover adequately a number of positions. A sort of latter day Eric "Ecka" Skeels if you will. You'd be happy to see Cameron at centre half?
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Wilko
Apr 6, 2014 11:06:48 GMT
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Post by Olgrligm on Apr 6, 2014 11:06:48 GMT
Not a full back as per with the later post naming Shotton (the winger as described by one famous observer. Cameron has been inconsistent this year but in all honesty but I am happier seeing him there if that is the choice. The fact that two Stoke players who are not full backs are offered up sort of makes my point. Going back to Cameron I think he is the sort of player every squad needs; able to cover adequately a number of positions. A sort of latter day Eric "Ecka" Skeels if you will. You'd be happy to see Cameron at centre half? Have we seen him there apart from Newcastle away? Worth a try as back up, I think.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 6, 2014 11:14:50 GMT
You'd be happy to see Cameron at centre half? Have we seen him there apart from Newcastle away? Worth a try as back up, I think. Played there against Wigan at home and in another home game but I can't remember which. His positioning worries me for centre half.
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Wilko
Apr 6, 2014 17:14:08 GMT
Post by borat on Apr 6, 2014 17:14:08 GMT
If it's all the same to everyone on here, I'll judge him on five years of consistently good performances for us, rather than 45 minutes against Chelsea after months without playing. Ridiculous overreaction on here, especially after the year of garbage dished up by the American Danny Collins.The shit you come up with about Cameron is laughable, he's like Cafu going forward compared to Wilko, the only thing he definitely needs to improve on is his positional sense.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 6, 2014 17:38:15 GMT
If it's all the same to everyone on here, I'll judge him on five years of consistently good performances for us, rather than 45 minutes against Chelsea after months without playing. Ridiculous overreaction on here, especially after the year of garbage dished up by the American Danny Collins.The shit you come up with about Cameron is laughable, he's like Cafu going forward compared to Wilko, the only thing he definitely needs to improve on is his positional sense. He can't cross for shit. And that's not me saying Wilko can but Cameron is garbage going forward, irrespective of what Wilko can or can't do.
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Wilko
Apr 6, 2014 18:03:19 GMT
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Post by trigger on Apr 6, 2014 18:03:19 GMT
The thing is Wilko can't do anything other than mimic a lumbering oaf.
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Wilko
Apr 6, 2014 18:05:22 GMT
Post by dastokie on Apr 6, 2014 18:05:22 GMT
What a thread! The amount of people on here in the past who have gone on about no loyalty from players anymore. Wilko has always given100% he has had a few howlers in his time but the slagging off of the longest serving player is piss poor. His attitude has been excellent with limited oppurtunities under the new regime but has back up he will always give his heart. BE LOYAL BE PROUD BE STOKE MY ARSE. MOAN WHINGE AND SLAG OFF STOKE SHOULD BE THE SAYING.
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Wilko
Apr 6, 2014 18:09:14 GMT
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Post by trigger on Apr 6, 2014 18:09:14 GMT
What a thread! The amount of people on here in the past who have gone on about no loyalty from players anymore. Wilko has always given100% he has had a few howlers in his time but the slagging off of the longest serving player is piss poor. His attitude has been excellent with limited oppurtunities under the new regime but has back up he will always give his heart. BE LOYAL BE PROUD BE STOKE MY ARSE. MOAN WHINGE AND SLAG OFF STOKE SHOULD BE THE SAYING. Can't recall loyalty being the issue, the main issue is he's shit and shouldn't be at Stoke let alone in the Premiership.
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Post by mrpickles on Apr 6, 2014 18:25:30 GMT
The shit you come up with about Cameron is laughable, he's like Cafu going forward compared to Wilko, the only thing he definitely needs to improve on is his positional sense. He can't cross for shit. And that's not me saying Wilko can but Cameron is garbage going forward, irrespective of what Wilko can or can't do. While his positional sense is the most worrying part of his game, and is what will (hopefully) lead to a new right back in the summer, his final ball is definitely the most annoying. I can almost forgive him for his positioning considering he's not a full back, but I've seen Cameron pick out some lovely passes in a stoke shirt on occasions, so why he falls to pieces when he's in a crossing position is baffling. Wilko does the same thing, but he hasn't and never will have that final ball in him, Cameron has.
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Wilko
Apr 6, 2014 18:54:15 GMT
Post by dirtygary69 on Apr 6, 2014 18:54:15 GMT
I see the levels of fucktardery are back up to usual standard.
Yes he was shit and maybe he's not good enough for us now but give your fucking heads a wobble. "Lumbering oaf" and "Championship player."
Shameful bollocks posted by some absolute morons.
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Wilko
Apr 7, 2014 8:43:16 GMT
Post by zigazaga on Apr 7, 2014 8:43:16 GMT
Hes simply not good enough anymore. He would be best joining Dicko up at the Vale.
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Wilko
Apr 7, 2014 21:59:50 GMT
Post by Olgrligm on Apr 7, 2014 21:59:50 GMT
Like I said, it's a short string Fair point. I should have stuck with a string of roastings and a host of needless free kicks when the lad has been shown to be out of his depth. I don't really know what we are arguing about here. Wilko is clearly not of the standard required and I admire his qualities and his contribution to the cause as much as the next man. I think those defending him know it full well. Can anyone suggest a full back in the Prem who they would not take as a replacement? At the end of the day, I can count on one hand the number of games in the last six years where Wilko has let us down and I can count on one hand the number of games where Geoff Cameron, as an ever-present (or almost ever present?) in the league, has put in an above average performance.
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Wilko
Apr 7, 2014 23:05:57 GMT
Post by prem4stoke on Apr 7, 2014 23:05:57 GMT
Fair point. I should have stuck with a string of roastings and a host of needless free kicks when the lad has been shown to be out of his depth. I don't really know what we are arguing about here. Wilko is clearly not of the standard required and I admire his qualities and his contribution to the cause as much as the next man. I think those defending him know it full well. Can anyone suggest a full back in the Prem who they would not take as a replacement? At the end of the day, I can count on one hand the number of games in the last six years where Wilko has let us down and I can count on one hand the number of games where Geoff Cameron, as an ever-present (or almost ever present?) in the league, has put in an above average performance. Personally I'm going to go off the last 2 years performances with these two players and for me Cameron wins hands down.
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Wilko
Apr 7, 2014 23:51:58 GMT
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Post by malteser68 on Apr 7, 2014 23:51:58 GMT
The shit you come up with about Cameron is laughable, he's like Cafu going forward compared to Wilko, the only thing he definitely needs to improve on is his positional sense. He can't cross for shit. And that's not me saying Wilko can but Cameron is garbage going forward, irrespective of what Wilko can or can't do. Cameron is garbage going forward? Compared to wilko. ? Just compare the amount of goals scored and assists given and the difference between the two will emerge clear as daylight
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