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Wilko
Apr 5, 2014 21:00:41 GMT
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Post by sportsman on Apr 5, 2014 21:00:41 GMT
Stoke want fucking for offering a 1 year contract
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 5, 2014 21:00:54 GMT
Dave, Wilkinson is shocking, and in contrary to your opinion he WAS by far the worst player on the pitch, Crouch and Odemwingie had no service whatsoever, they fed on scraps at best. And.... why in a world where there is so much to get angry about.... why do you get angry about crouch ? What you know about football could be written on the back of a postage stamp. Palacios, Adam, Palacios and Arnie were all as bad, if not worse than Wilko.
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Wilko
Apr 5, 2014 21:04:06 GMT
Post by crapslinger on Apr 5, 2014 21:04:06 GMT
Leave Wilkos alone great store great offers and reasonably priced to boot, however this imposter Wliko's may be shit is it the Polish alternative.
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Wilko
Apr 5, 2014 21:04:56 GMT
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Post by stokiejoe on Apr 5, 2014 21:04:56 GMT
Cheap stopgap and possibly a sop to them upstairs who like a local in the squad.
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Wilko
Apr 5, 2014 21:06:17 GMT
Post by scfc2014 on Apr 5, 2014 21:06:17 GMT
Pulis did it plenty of times with players who should be no where near the first team,waste of money
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Wilko
Apr 5, 2014 21:07:48 GMT
Post by crapslinger on Apr 5, 2014 21:07:48 GMT
Dave, Wilkinson is shocking, and in contrary to your opinion he WAS by far the worst player on the pitch, Crouch and Odemwingie had no service whatsoever, they fed on scraps at best. And.... why in a world where there is so much to get angry about.... why do you get angry about crouch ? What you know about football could be written on the back of a postage stamp. Palacios, Adam, Palacios and Arnie were all as bad, if not worse than Wilko. Agreed the Palacios brothers were awful today, though I feel better that we got two of the fuckers for £8million, I thought Pulis had gone off his tits when he paid that for the one.
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Wilko
Apr 5, 2014 21:08:45 GMT
Post by boozehound on Apr 5, 2014 21:08:45 GMT
I am surprised Crouch wasn't on the naughty list DJ, You were wrong about him, it takes a bigger man to say I Was wrong, most of us were about about Sparky, Its okay Dave I forgive you
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Post by swampySCFC on Apr 5, 2014 21:10:57 GMT
In fairness if you bring Wilko on at half time then you must be playing shite
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Wilko
Apr 5, 2014 21:11:54 GMT
Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2014 21:11:54 GMT
Because hes from stoke doesnt wash anymore timet go- and shotton
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Wilko
Apr 5, 2014 21:12:10 GMT
Post by crapslinger on Apr 5, 2014 21:12:10 GMT
Stoke want fucking for offering a 1 year contract Danny Pugh, Mama !!!!!!!!!!! seems the offer to Wilko is par for the course at Stoke, good luck to him limited but committed Stokie through and through rather him than the likes of Shotton any day of the week.
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Wilko
Apr 5, 2014 21:12:23 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 5, 2014 21:12:23 GMT
I am surprised Crouch wasn't on the naughty list DJ, You were wrong about him, it takes a bigger man to say I Was wrong, most of us were about about Sparky, Its okay Dave I forgive you You been on the lash all day or something? Crouch has done OK but he's toss and will be replaced next season.
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Wilko
Apr 5, 2014 21:23:19 GMT
Post by andyr on Apr 5, 2014 21:23:19 GMT
Odemwingie was deeper than a dildo at a nun's conference
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Wilko
Apr 5, 2014 21:24:14 GMT
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Post by trigger on Apr 5, 2014 21:24:14 GMT
Can anyone explain to me why wilkinson has been offered a new contract it seems unfathomable to me. No disrespect but I'm struggling to think of a current player who suits the Hughes style less. The exact same reason why Penant was offered the same deal, there's no intention/interest/desire etc etc to spend money believe me.
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Post by mrpickles on Apr 5, 2014 21:24:40 GMT
Wilko had a terrible second half playing at right back. Geoff had a terrible first half playing wherever he was supposed to be playing. If we've not got at least a 50 man shortlist for right back in the summer, I hope to fuck we're working on a procedure to swap Muniesa's feet around. Geoff didn't have a terrible first half, we wasn't good or bad we was sub-par had a (6.2) from opta. But he did have more tackles, clearances and interceptions in the first half than Pieters who was having a mare on the opposite side did the whole game. He's normally a rock. But he normally has help.(got a 5.8) Thus Geoff had a better final rating. He was a first half "Scapegoat" for PO who wasn't tracking or marking on the edge leaving gaps. He was lazily defending on the throw in and didn't stop the cross for their first goal. If anything MH made a bad decision of subbing Geoff for Wilko who is out of his depth vs Chelsea and is the second half "Scapegoat." How is Wilko better to guard Eden Hazard than Geoff? how? By breaking his leg by tackling? That's right soon as we subbed Geoff they had free reign with Wilko out of position chasing the game and unable to get back with the speed of a lorry in a porsche race. It's Elementary and worrying from Hughes. By Hughes not subbing in Walters for PO or Arnie to help defend on either of the wings and be physical by not letting crosses in from the edge of the penalty box all match and not be a selfish twat who wouldn't pass to free up movement all game was worrying. Arnie, sadly gave Erik no help. Arnie had the worst game in a long while in a Stoke kit and was moping most of it. Erik was left alone just like Wilko. Soon as they got closed down our wingers they started moping and showboating instead of just passing it to safety. Yet no mention of how shit they were because they are flashy. Po 6.7 Pieters 5.7 Arnie 5.9 Cameron 6.2 Wilko 5.5 No offence mate, but you Yanks concentrate way too much on stats. Geoff was out of position so much in the first half that even the usually (too) placid Marc Wilson was bollocking him, to go with his usual telling off from Ryan. I said to the old man at half time, I expect Wilko to have a dodgy second half, but at least he'll do it playing at right back, rather than wherever the fuck he wants to be. Whether it was the right decision or not, I'm glad Hughes made the substitution he did, as we'd have been no worse off, and more importantly, it's utterly convinced me that he knows we have a major problem on that side of the defence.
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Wilko
Apr 5, 2014 21:28:56 GMT
Post by crapslinger on Apr 5, 2014 21:28:56 GMT
Can anyone explain to me why wilkinson has been offered a new contract it seems unfathomable to me. No disrespect but I'm struggling to think of a current player who suits the Hughes style less. The exact same reason why Penant was offered the same deal, there's no intention/interest/desire etc etc to spend money believe me. Wet blanket thrown over next season then, what a depressing post.
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Wilko
Apr 5, 2014 21:34:07 GMT
Post by stokemanusa on Apr 5, 2014 21:34:07 GMT
Geoff didn't have a terrible first half, we wasn't good or bad we was sub-par had a (6.2) from opta. But he did have more tackles, clearances and interceptions in the first half than Pieters who was having a mare on the opposite side did the whole game. He's normally a rock. But he normally has help.(got a 5.8) Thus Geoff had a better final rating. He was a first half "Scapegoat" for PO who wasn't tracking or marking on the edge leaving gaps. He was lazily defending on the throw in and didn't stop the cross for their first goal. If anything MH made a bad decision of subbing Geoff for Wilko who is out of his depth vs Chelsea and is the second half "Scapegoat." How is Wilko better to guard Eden Hazard than Geoff? how? By breaking his leg by tackling? That's right soon as we subbed Geoff they had free reign with Wilko out of position chasing the game and unable to get back with the speed of a lorry in a porsche race. It's Elementary and worrying from Hughes. By Hughes not subbing in Walters for PO or Arnie to help defend on either of the wings and be physical by not letting crosses in from the edge of the penalty box all match and not be a selfish twat who wouldn't pass to free up movement all game was worrying. Arnie, sadly gave Erik no help. Arnie had the worst game in a long while in a Stoke kit and was moping most of it. Erik was left alone just like Wilko. Soon as they got closed down our wingers they started moping and showboating instead of just passing it to safety. Yet no mention of how shit they were because they are flashy. Po 6.7 Pieters 5.7 Arnie 5.9 Cameron 6.2 Wilko 5.5 No offence mate, but you Yanks concentrate way too much on stats. Geoff was out of position so much in the first half that even the usually (too) placid Marc Wilson was bollocking him, to go with his usual telling off from Ryan. I said to the old man at half time, I expect Wilko to have a dodgy second half, but at least he'll do it playing at right back, rather than wherever the fuck he wants to be. Whether it was the right decision or not, I'm glad Hughes made the substitution he did, as we'd have been no worse off, and more importantly, it's utterly convinced me that he knows we have a major problem on that side of the defence. Hughes was the one who had the back four collapse into the penalty the entire first half and had and had PO as a RB on defense (which led to our first concession) It was his call to sub in Wilko who is more of a "defender" because PO wasn't "defending." But seeing that he's slow as shit, even if he's at RB he's far worse to handle Hazard with a running start than Geoff. Can't blame Geoff for Hughes "tactics" he was a far better at marking Chelsea's attack than PO and Wilko on the right even if he's not a RB. That's the sad thing. Soon as Geoff went off they had a field day on Wilko. If anything, Hughes realizes Wilko is done and will buy a Proper RB and CB instead of using Geoff and Wilson as stand ins. Still doesn't negate that Pieters was very poor, Wilko isn't an option and PO can't defend on the edge, even so much so we had a terrible time today. I'd of left Geoff on at his worst it's still better than any "natural RB" option we have at the moment and today solidified that.
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Post by mrpickles on Apr 5, 2014 21:41:55 GMT
No offence mate, but you Yanks concentrate way too much on stats. Geoff was out of position so much in the first half that even the usually (too) placid Marc Wilson was bollocking him, to go with his usual telling off from Ryan. I said to the old man at half time, I expect Wilko to have a dodgy second half, but at least he'll do it playing at right back, rather than wherever the fuck he wants to be. Whether it was the right decision or not, I'm glad Hughes made the substitution he did, as we'd have been no worse off, and more importantly, it's utterly convinced me that he knows we have a major problem on that side of the defence. Hughes was the one who had the back four collapse into the penalty the entire first half and had and had PO as a RB on defense (which led to our first concession) It was his call to sub in Wilko who is more of a "defender" because PO wasn't "defending." But seeing that he's slow as shit, even if he's at RB he's far worse to handle Hazard with a running start than Geoff. Can't blame Geoff for Hughes "tactics" he was a far better at marking Chelsea's attack than PO and Wilko on the right even if he's not a RB. That's the sad thing. Soon as Geoff went off they had a field day on Wilko. If anything, Hughes realizes Wilko is done and will buy a Proper RB and CB instead of using Geoff and Wilson as stand ins. Still doesn't negate that Pieters was very poor, Wilko isn't an option and PO can't defend on the edge, even so much so we had a terrible time today. I'd of left Geoff on at his worst it's still better than any "natural RB" option we have at the moment and today solidified that. I don't think Hughes took Geoff off because Odemwingie couldn't defend. I don't think you do either really You're right about Pieters. He was poor today, and could have had no complaints if he'd have got subbed at half time too. Thankfully, it's not a long running issue with him.
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Wilko
Apr 5, 2014 21:49:41 GMT
Post by stokemanusa on Apr 5, 2014 21:49:41 GMT
Hughes was the one who had the back four collapse into the penalty the entire first half and had and had PO as a RB on defense (which led to our first concession) It was his call to sub in Wilko who is more of a "defender" because PO wasn't "defending." But seeing that he's slow as shit, even if he's at RB he's far worse to handle Hazard with a running start than Geoff. Can't blame Geoff for Hughes "tactics" he was a far better at marking Chelsea's attack than PO and Wilko on the right even if he's not a RB. That's the sad thing. Soon as Geoff went off they had a field day on Wilko. If anything, Hughes realizes Wilko is done and will buy a Proper RB and CB instead of using Geoff and Wilson as stand ins. Still doesn't negate that Pieters was very poor, Wilko isn't an option and PO can't defend on the edge, even so much so we had a terrible time today. I'd of left Geoff on at his worst it's still better than any "natural RB" option we have at the moment and today solidified that. I don't think Hughes took Geoff off because Odemwingie couldn't defend. I don't think you do either really You're right about Pieters. He was poor today, and could have had no complaints if he'd have got subbed at half time too. Thankfully, it's not a long running issue with him. No, I think Geoff wasn't getting help like pieters wasn't with arnie. Geoff was sub-par yes, but still better than Wilko. But Chelsea's first half attacks were coming down the left (our right) PO half heartly was marking his man who gave them their first goal and nothing changed... he didn't help Wilko out either. Hughes like most on here thought Wilko could defend by himself at RB and not go forward. Wrong. He's done. Past it. But if he did have help from PO, he'd have a better time. PO was lazy today and that game cried for Walter's engine on defense. Wilko coming in didn't make things better either. How Hughes thought that would shore things up is mind boggling. Walters and Cameron being told to sit further back at HT was what should of happened. It didn't, and look what happened. Wilko on an Island and 2 more goals from RB area after the changes... PO still didn't help him. The changes which were bad were almost as bad as Palacios starting and Adam was off it he looked like bambi on ice, sliding all over. Not the best from Hughes either imo.
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Wilko
Apr 5, 2014 21:55:23 GMT
Post by Olgrligm on Apr 5, 2014 21:55:23 GMT
It's not just today's errors though.his passing and general distribution have always let his game down.we need better to continue our progress. I don't think anybody would deny that, but the present competition is even worse in that regard. Like I say, I'd just like to see him afforded the same chance in the remaining games that Cameron has been afforded this season.
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Wilko
Apr 5, 2014 21:58:32 GMT
Post by stokemanusa on Apr 5, 2014 21:58:32 GMT
It's not just today's errors though.his passing and general distribution have always let his game down.we need better to continue our progress. I don't think anybody would deny that, but the present competition is even worse in that regard. Like I say, I'd just like to see him afforded the same chance in the remaining games that Cameron has been afforded this season. So being slow, out of position and unable to get back on defense and giving a stonewall peno is what you need to do to get a start? Rather have our makeshift RB start with more help from the wing.
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Post by mrpickles on Apr 5, 2014 22:04:25 GMT
I don't think Hughes took Geoff off because Odemwingie couldn't defend. I don't think you do either really You're right about Pieters. He was poor today, and could have had no complaints if he'd have got subbed at half time too. Thankfully, it's not a long running issue with him. No, I think Geoff wasn't getting help like pieters wasn't with arnie. Geoff was sub-par yes, but still better than Wilko. But Chelsea's first half attacks were coming down the left (our right) PO half heartly was marking his man who gave them their first goal and nothing changed... he didn't help Wilko out either. Hughes like most on here thought Wilko could defend at RB and not go forward. Wrong. He's done. Past it. But if he did have help, he'd have a better time. PO was lazy today and that game cried for Walter's engine on defense. Wilko coming in didn't make things better either. How Hughes thought that would shore things up is mind boggling. Walters and Cameron being told to sit further back at HT was what should of happened. It didn't, and look what happened. Wilko on an Island and 2 more goals from RB area after the changes... Which were bad. Palacios should of never started and Adam was like bambi on ice, sliding all over. Not the best from Hughes either imo. Whatever support (or lack of it) Geoff was getting today, he has to take responsibility for where he positions himself on the pitch. That's a major, major part of being a decent full back. I'd actually prefer a full back to get beaten one on one, than to not be there to get beaten in the first place. And, maybe Hughes just wanted to try something different with the substitution, after seeing Geoff have another poor game?
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Wilko
Apr 5, 2014 22:06:36 GMT
Post by stokemanusa on Apr 5, 2014 22:06:36 GMT
No, I think Geoff wasn't getting help like pieters wasn't with arnie. Geoff was sub-par yes, but still better than Wilko. But Chelsea's first half attacks were coming down the left (our right) PO half heartly was marking his man who gave them their first goal and nothing changed... he didn't help Wilko out either. Hughes like most on here thought Wilko could defend at RB and not go forward. Wrong. He's done. Past it. But if he did have help, he'd have a better time. PO was lazy today and that game cried for Walter's engine on defense. Wilko coming in didn't make things better either. How Hughes thought that would shore things up is mind boggling. Walters and Cameron being told to sit further back at HT was what should of happened. It didn't, and look what happened. Wilko on an Island and 2 more goals from RB area after the changes... Which were bad. Palacios should of never started and Adam was like bambi on ice, sliding all over. Not the best from Hughes either imo. Whatever support (or lack of it) Geoff was getting today, he has to take responsibility for where he positions himself on the pitch. That's a major, major part of being a decent full back. I'd actually prefer a full back to get beaten one on one, than to not be there to get beaten in the first place. And, maybe Hughes just wanted to try something different with the substitution, after seeing Geoff have another poor game? Wilkinson was far more forward than geoff today so, I don't get your point. He was in fact out of position most of the second half.
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Post by mrpickles on Apr 5, 2014 22:25:41 GMT
Whatever support (or lack of it) Geoff was getting today, he has to take responsibility for where he positions himself on the pitch. That's a major, major part of being a decent full back. I'd actually prefer a full back to get beaten one on one, than to not be there to get beaten in the first place. And, maybe Hughes just wanted to try something different with the substitution, after seeing Geoff have another poor game? Wilkinson was far more forward than geoff today so, I don't get your point. He was in fact out of position most of the second half. You and your bloody heat maps Again, no offence about your love of stats, but the positions that this chart show has absolutely no meaning, unless you can tell me where every player on the pitch was at the same time. What I saw, was Shawcross not having to cover his right back as much in the second half. Not that, that makes Wilko's performance any good, as he didn't deal with the threat anyway.
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Wilko
Apr 5, 2014 22:29:26 GMT
Post by stokemanusa on Apr 5, 2014 22:29:26 GMT
Wilkinson was far more forward than geoff today so, I don't get your point. He was in fact out of position most of the second half. You and your bloody heat maps Again, no offence about your love of stats, but the positions that this chart show has absolutely no meaning, unless you can tell me where every player on the pitch was at the same time. What I saw, was Shawcross not having to cover his right back as much in the second half. Not that, that makes Wilko's performance any good, as he didn't deal with the threat anyway. Right, so Wilkinson at RW isn't shown more than RB. Doesn't matter where anyone else is. That's wilko there mate. There's stats and truths, watch the game again Wilkinson is in fact forward more than he's at RB. For their two goals Second half he's chasing the play from RW. Say what you like, but that was the truth. I don't care what you saw. Because well it's obviously not even close.
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Post by Billybigbollox on Apr 5, 2014 22:31:42 GMT
There were people on here last week calling for Cameron to be rested. This is why he has continued to be played. We simply do not have a better alternative at the moment, so no one should be surprised when Wilko who has hardly played all season comes on and plays the way he did. GC is not a natural right back, but he is better than the alternatives that we have at the club.
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Post by lostinafrenchbar on Apr 5, 2014 22:32:42 GMT
Andy Wilkinson not up to the standard of a bunch of Roman Abramovitch millionaires? This is shocking news. Who'd have imagined it. Next thing you'll be telling me he's not good enough to play for Citeh.
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Wilko
Apr 5, 2014 22:34:37 GMT
Post by stokemanusa on Apr 5, 2014 22:34:37 GMT
There were people on here last week calling for Cameron to be rested. This is why he has continued to be played. We simply do not have a better alternative at the moment, so no one should be surprised when Wilko who has hardly played all season comes on and plays the way he did. GC is not a natural right back, but he is better than the alternatives that we have at the club. This.
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Wilko
Apr 5, 2014 22:38:28 GMT
Post by Olgrligm on Apr 5, 2014 22:38:28 GMT
I don't think anybody would deny that, but the present competition is even worse in that regard. Like I say, I'd just like to see him afforded the same chance in the remaining games that Cameron has been afforded this season. So being slow, out of position and unable to get back on defense and giving a stonewall peno is what you need to do to get a start? Rather have our makeshift RB start with more help from the wing. I massively prefer it to not having a clue how to defend the far post, wandering off out of position, letting opponents past far too easily, misplacing five yard passes, blasting every cross as hard as possible, giving away goal after goal every week and bring back memories of Danny Collins, because that's what you get with Geoff Cameron. One mistake, which is just about the only mistake I can recall him making in the last three years when at right back, does not mean that he should be completely written off. Way too much of a knee-jerk reaction.
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Post by mrpickles on Apr 5, 2014 22:40:15 GMT
You and your bloody heat maps Again, no offence about your love of stats, but the positions that this chart show has absolutely no meaning, unless you can tell me where every player on the pitch was at the same time. What I saw, was Shawcross not having to cover his right back as much in the second half. Not that, that makes Wilko's performance any good, as he didn't deal with the threat anyway. Right, so Wilkinson at RW isn't shown more than RB. Doesn't matter where anyone else is. That's wilko there mate. There's stats and truths, watch the game again Wilkinson is in fact forward more than he's at RB. For their two goals Second half he's chasing the play from RW. Say what you like, but that was the truth. I don't care what you saw. Because well it's obviously not even close. Come on mate, you're getting all uppity, about someone not rating Geoff again The sad fact is, both right backs were shite. It's just that the one who started the game has been shite for a while now. All I'm doing is stating the importance that needs to be placed on getting one in the summer, and have pointed out both player's flaws to highlight it. It needs be priority number 1.
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Post by prem4stoke on Apr 5, 2014 22:45:54 GMT
If Wilko is the answer I don't know what the question is.
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