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Post by dutchpeter72 on Mar 8, 2014 23:49:30 GMT
Don't promulgate hate and war as a solution ( especially when Argyll are near the play offs). I'm sure nobodys Interests are served by this nonsense. Nobody wants war, that's why the threat will work! It ain't that simple fella. If public opinion wants aggression, fair enough. However if it goes tits up, remember not to abuse members of the armed forces. Anti War movements of the past have generally focused on government policy. These days the normal Sailor, Private, Airman is copping it. Personally, I believe it is an extension of the middle class hatred of the working (under) class.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 8, 2014 23:54:05 GMT
Nobody wants war, that's why the threat will work! It ain't that simple fella. If public opinion wants aggression, fair enough. However if it goes tits up, remember not to abuse members of the armed forces. Anti War movements of the past have generally focused on government policy. These days the normal Sailor, Private, Airman is copping it. Personally, I believe it is an extension of the middle class hatred of the working (under) class. Are they? I'll be honest I only see the praise You fellas get. I think sometimes it's a bit ott (You know what You're signing up for) but I don't begrudge anyone that praise because quite frankly, it's not something I'd ever want to do and I am genuinely proud of the job our services do.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2014 23:56:35 GMT
(tumbleweed)I thought the Ukraine was already history.....
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Post by dutchpeter72 on Mar 9, 2014 0:00:43 GMT
Wearing your number one uniform by the A34 is an interesting experience lol. Loads of v and wanker signs etc. anecdotal evidence from my colleagues is broadly similar. You only have to read some of the comments on this board to see what I'm saying. However, I'm hijacking a serious subject. Over to The Ukraine.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 9, 2014 0:04:07 GMT
Wearing your number one uniform by the A34 is an interesting experience lol. Loads of v and wanker signs etc. anecdotal evidence from my colleagues is broadly similar. You only have to read some of the comments on this board to see what I'm saying. However, I'm hijacking a serious subject. Over to The Ukraine. Surprises me tbh!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2014 0:26:58 GMT
I think we should impose a ban on all imported Russian Vodka and tourism to the Red Sea....
That should sort the fuckers out.!!
Lets slam the door...!
Arrests in Hanley for drunk & disorderly would plummet.
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Post by boothenpaddock86 on Mar 21, 2014 13:38:21 GMT
whats the problem? people of Crimea want to join russia...think the problem is america/europe and all the rest of the war mongering zionist banks wanting control simple as that
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Post by stayingupfor Sexualchocolate on Mar 21, 2014 14:03:08 GMT
I think he'd become more reasonable and that's what is needed for this whole thing to be sorted. No humiliation, I never said that, it's a threat, a threat to back up the diplomacy-like I've said all along. And it's a threat that I think would work because Putin knows he can't risk confrontation with the west, that's not running home to Mummy, that's just being a realist. Russia would get smashed. But I don't want a war, I just want the people of Ukraine to have free elections. The Russian's have got pretty much their entire armed forces sat along the boarder, meanwhile the Yanks (And ourselves) are too caught up in invading half the rest of the world. Russia 'backing down' now would be a huge humiliation. ...... And I'm not fully up-to-speed on the capabilities of the worlds armies (Perhaps people like Salop can enlighten me) But I'd be massive surprised if the Russian war machine is this pathetic, two-bob outfit you're making them out to be. I think you are hugely under-estimating them. (And don't they also have the backing of China?..... Or I'm guessing they almost certainly would have if the Yanks turn up) The Russian military is far from being a two bob outfit. The pictures you see of ageing and rusting hardware only tells half the story. Believe me they have plenty of capable units and there defense budget is one of the few that is actually increasing. rt.com/business/russia-increases-military-spendings-702/
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Post by iglugluk on Mar 21, 2014 14:36:00 GMT
The Russian's have got pretty much their entire armed forces sat along the boarder, meanwhile the Yanks (And ourselves) are too caught up in invading half the rest of the world. Russia 'backing down' now would be a huge humiliation. ...... And I'm not fully up-to-speed on the capabilities of the worlds armies (Perhaps people like Salop can enlighten me) But I'd be massive surprised if the Russian war machine is this pathetic, two-bob outfit you're making them out to be. I think you are hugely under-estimating them. (And don't they also have the backing of China?..... Or I'm guessing they almost certainly would have if the Yanks turn up) The Russian military is far from being a two bob outfit. The pictures you see of ageing and rusting hardware only tells half the story. Believe me they have plenty of capable units and there defense budget is one of the few that is actually increasing. rt.com/business/russia-increases-military-spendings-702/Correct indeed, Russia is very definitely a major World power both politically, economically and militarily. Anyone who thinks otherwise is quite simply wrong.
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Post by partickpotter on Apr 17, 2014 9:34:28 GMT
OK - now things start to get a little more concerning: Deadly clashes at Ukraine port baseAs mentioned earlier in this thread, the situation in the Crimea was only ever going to end one way: with separation from Ukraine. But, the concern with the Crimea wasn't the Crimea itself, but what could follow, as other regions in the eastern part of that country with large Russian speaking populations start to agitate for change (whatever that change is). Now with an antagonised administration in Kiev responding with force and (a hardly impartial) Russia watching closely from the borders, things start to get a lot more dangerous. Can only see this ending one way - Ukraine losing more territory, because the West is not going to go to war over that country even if Russian forces enter Ukraine to "protect" ethnic Russians. Something that cannot be ruled out, and starts to look a distinct possibility. Banning Russia from the Eurovision Song Contest ain't likely to overly concern Putin! Let's hope Russia's territorial ambitions stop there - and this really is some simple border corrections reflecting local population wishes. The problem is there are quite a few more contentious regional issues Russia has that they may feel now is the time to resolve.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 10:15:56 GMT
OK - now things start to get a little more concerning: Deadly clashes at Ukraine port baseAs mentioned earlier in this thread, the situation in the Crimea was only ever going to end one way: with separation from Ukraine. But, the concern with the Crimea wasn't the Crimea itself, but what could follow, as other regions in the eastern part of that country with large Russian speaking populations start to agitate for change (whatever that change is). Now with an antagonised administration in Kiev responding with force and (a hardly impartial) Russia watching closely from the borders, things start to get a lot more dangerous. Can only see this ending one way - Ukraine losing more territory, because the West is not going to go to war over that country even if Russian forces enter Ukraine to "protect" ethnic Russians. Something that cannot be ruled out, and starts to look a distinct possibility. Banning Russia from the Eurovision Song Contest ain't likely to overly concern Putin! Let's hope Russia's territorial ambitions stop there - and this really is some simple border corrections reflecting local population wishes. The problem is there are quite a few more contentious regional issues Russia has that they may feel now is the time to resolve. I have been thinking along similar lines myself mate
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Post by partickpotter on May 2, 2014 15:56:58 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2014 16:47:03 GMT
(tumbleweed)I thought the Ukraine was already history..... 'The Ukraine' is history since August 1991. It has since just been called 'Ukraine'
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2014 16:54:13 GMT
I was quite vocal previously about the 'intervention' from both EU/USA and Russia and that none of them were actually helping the situation at all, and it still goes on.
There is widespread condemnation of the elected government for using force to disperse protestors (which was badged by the police and government as an anit-terror operation) AND RIGHTLY SO. Yet now, we have unelected officials ordering the armed forces to remove protesters through military force on its own people and what is being said about that - absolutely fuck all. Just too busy extending visa bans to other Russian's who aren't actually appointed officials...except for the guy in charge of importing oil to Europe of course.
Ukrainian citizens who want to be closer to EU - yeah they are fine and have the right to protest and nobody dare lay a finger on them or threaten them. Ukrainian citizens who want to be closer to Russia...completely different story.
Just all further proof that our heads of state don't give two flying fucks about the people all of this actually effects.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 2, 2014 17:18:17 GMT
Send in the fleet!
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Post by dutchpeter72 on May 2, 2014 18:00:58 GMT
What fleet would that be?
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 2, 2014 18:03:20 GMT
The American's.
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Post by partickpotter on May 2, 2014 18:21:43 GMT
The American's. I think we're going to need International Rescue;
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2014 22:24:03 GMT
It's okay the Fegg old boys have got this one covered. We are preparing our cross bows and trebuchets as we speak.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 23:11:53 GMT
Tonight Russia was seen moving heavy tanks , missile launchers and hundreds of other items of heavy armaments by train to the Ukrainian border. This follows over 1000 of its troops already fighting on Ukrainian soil.
What would Russia's reaction be to Western troops and equipment be if we did the same..?
Would this not be fair ?
I know that the West doesn't want to do this and wouldn't want to escalate the conflict but it is in effect giving Russia a free ride into a sovereign territory. It is a deliberate act of aggression and war.
Within the next few days the bloodshed will be seen on all our TV screens . The serious implications of all this is mind blowing.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 23:18:39 GMT
Tonight Russia was seen moving heavy tanks , missile launchers and hundreds of other items of heavy armaments by train to the Ukrainian border. This follows over 1000 of its troops already fighting on Ukrainian soil. What would Russia's reaction be to Western troops and equipment be if we did the same..? Would this not be fair ? I know that the West doesn't want to do this and wouldn't want to escalate the conflict but it is in effect giving Russia a free ride into a sovereign territory. It is a deliberate act of aggression and war. Within the next few days the bloodshed will be seen on all our TV screens . The serious implications of all this is mind blowing. We both know the implications don't we ? ......But do they .....I fear they do ....but , too he'll with it ? ...worrying to say the least ....the Russians are up for it if you ask me and have been for a while ....Vladimir wants to flex his muscles ....dam the consequences
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Post by dutchpeter72 on Aug 31, 2014 23:23:28 GMT
Tonight Russia was seen moving heavy tanks , missile launchers and hundreds of other items of heavy armaments by train to the Ukrainian border. This follows over 1000 of its troops already fighting on Ukrainian soil. What would Russia's reaction be to Western troops and equipment be if we did the same..? Would this not be fair ? I know that the West doesn't want to do this and wouldn't want to escalate the conflict but it is in effect giving Russia a free ride into a sovereign territory. It is a deliberate act of aggression and war. Within the next few days the bloodshed will be seen on all our TV screens . The serious implications of all this is mind blowing. However there'll be a protest in Hanley about Palestine. Or brutal US air strikes against IS. This is really fucking serious.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 31, 2014 23:26:39 GMT
The fleet should have been sent in ages ago. Weak Obama bastard!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 23:33:25 GMT
Tonight Russia was seen moving heavy tanks , missile launchers and hundreds of other items of heavy armaments by train to the Ukrainian border. This follows over 1000 of its troops already fighting on Ukrainian soil. What would Russia's reaction be to Western troops and equipment be if we did the same..? Would this not be fair ? I know that the West doesn't want to do this and wouldn't want to escalate the conflict but it is in effect giving Russia a free ride into a sovereign territory. It is a deliberate act of aggression and war. Within the next few days the bloodshed will be seen on all our TV screens . The serious implications of all this is mind blowing. However there'll be a protest in Hanley about Palestine. Or brutal US air strikes against IS. This is really fucking serious. Indeed. Critical thinking and prioritising the current ongoing conflicts is something that western governments are all going to have to get their heads around. All NATO Countries have been told to increase their defence budgets. I actually think that one small error of judgement could have catastrophic consequences that no one would have contemplated....all out war in Europe involving three or more countries.
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Post by dutchpeter72 on Aug 31, 2014 23:34:23 GMT
The fleet should have been sent in ages ago. Weak Obama bastard! It's not that simple you escalating fool. A fleet works over the Horizon, not parked in the Black Sea or the Sea of Azov. However, I've no doubt you'll still post similar stuff. Time to change the record.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 23:34:25 GMT
Tonight Russia was seen moving heavy tanks , missile launchers and hundreds of other items of heavy armaments by train to the Ukrainian border. This follows over 1000 of its troops already fighting on Ukrainian soil. What would Russia's reaction be to Western troops and equipment be if we did the same..? Would this not be fair ? I know that the West doesn't want to do this and wouldn't want to escalate the conflict but it is in effect giving Russia a free ride into a sovereign territory. It is a deliberate act of aggression and war. Within the next few days the bloodshed will be seen on all our TV screens . The serious implications of all this is mind blowing. However there'll be a protest in Hanley about Palestine. Or brutal US air strikes against IS. This is really fucking serious. Yes it is ! ...People are unaware of how serious I'm afraid
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 23:36:05 GMT
The fleet should have been sent in ages ago. Weak Obama bastard! Yes indeed ! Nuke ' em eh ! Son ?.......good God almighty ......
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 31, 2014 23:39:44 GMT
The fleet should have been sent in ages ago. Weak Obama bastard! Yes indeed ! Nuke ' em eh ! Son ?.......good God almighty ...... NO! Not this again......like I said way back when, use it as a threat as sanctions won't work and here we are! Russia have invaded Ukraine lets not beat about the bush and shit in one way or another will hit the fan. It was avoidable with a SHOW of force. It still probably is but Russia knows Obama is weak and they will and have taken the piss. Nice one Barrack!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 23:42:12 GMT
Nobody wants war, that's why the threat will work! It ain't that simple fella. If public opinion wants aggression, fair enough. However if it goes tits up, remember not to abuse members of the armed forces. Anti War movements of the past have generally focused on government policy. These days the normal Sailor, Private, Airman is copping it. Personally, I believe it is an extension of the middle class hatred of the working (under) class. Well mate I have told you before that I don't believe people hate in that way ....why on earth should they ? Certainly the armed forces don't cop it from what I can see .....I think we all hold them in them highest regard ...I know I do and always have done ....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 23:43:41 GMT
I know of two regular posters who are already fixing bayonets in anticipation of this . One is going to Gaza and the other is joining Isis as a wannabe Jihadist... I too have decided to lend my support and have bought a tambourine . I will be outside the Bears Paw in Frodsham in full regalia of the first battalion of the North Cheshire Salvation Army tomorrow afternoon. Please note , that no animals will be harmed in any way as a result of my fund raising.
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