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Post by wizzardofdribble on Feb 17, 2014 22:39:02 GMT
People go on about the vic as if it was always full and always a noisy cauldron. It wasn't. History gets re-written and people get carried away with it all. The Vic was like a morgue a lot of the time. In big games when it was full it came to life. Same as the Brit does when there is something to shout about. Ferfuxache, when we beat Chelsea some said it was ace because we got the atmosphere back. It was back because there was something to make an atmosphere about! Ditto when we beat the shit. It was quiet v Swansea because there was nothing to make a noise over. That was all the same at the Vic. Spot on People bang on about the good old days at The Vic..conveniently forgetting that we averaged less than 15,000 in our final ever season FFS we could only manage just over 20 in our final ever game I've stood on The Boothen on many many occasions when it was absolutely dead. The atmos during the first few seasons in The Prem at the Brit is as good as anything I've ever experienced in 35 years of watching Stoke As always novelty wears off and people move on and that is what we are seeing now especially given the obscene admission prices and despicable wage levels of footballers.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2014 22:51:50 GMT
half of my years supporting stoke were at the vic, now half at the brit.
The old vic was better in every way. Including the bad times, there was still an atmosphere of sorts. The location, everything was better.
The Brit is a terrible stadium and already needs a lot of work doing to bring it up to date.
At least the Victoria ground had character
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2014 3:18:59 GMT
This thread is one of an increasing number on the same subject, and IMO, the first step on not too long a road. I've read on this thread that the 'oldies' will drift away and become 'natural wastage'. It doesn't quite work that way. With some of the older ones drifting away will be some of those not quite so old who look on the oldies as part of the reason they go to the game. So when some of the younger ones also drift away, so, too, will some of the even younger ones. Ad infinitum until eventually, 'local' fans diminishing in ever increasing numbers will vanish up the arse of the hoola-hoola bird and the game will become a product of the ultimate masses: a global TV product selling its soul where a supporting background noise from supporters is to be had. It will probably be Asia, and any club who want financial success will take their 'wares' wherever the TV moguls say they should go. You don't think I'm right? When I was watching players like Tom Finney with his amazing talent working as a plumber and also as a footballer, if anybody had ever told me that one player would earn £15,000,000 a year, then I would have laughed in their faces and told them they were fucking crazy. OS. The sad - or funny - thing about the ... situation ... is that there is not a chance in hell South East Asia, or any other footballing back water, can be used to replicate the Premier League. The Premier League requires that you all to turn up, be passionate, shout and sing. It gives the clubs the histories that those not lucky enough to be born in England can adopt and make believe that they too are true supporters of these grand old names. They love the tales of hooligans, of fighting in the stands and singing rude songs. They mimic it when they go to see their own local teams ... all 200 of them, crammed down the front, behind the goal, bouncing up and down like 4 year olds at a very poorly advertised bouncy castle party. God, to be real, like you. But there's a reason that the Premier League isn't thought of quite as highly in Germany, Brazil, Italy or Spain (and a host of other places with a real football culture). They don't need to rent in that culture. They have their own. So, that funny/sad thing ... is that you do all have the power, right now. You hold in your hands the balls of several hundred media and advertising executives who have sold the product to countless multi-national companies on the basis of that history - that passion - being good for their brand. One weekend where every commentator, every pundit, every show anchorman has to apologise to the global audience for the lack of any sound effects and you will be amazed quite how quickly a pricing revolution takes place. And diving would be just as easily stopped: But I am not expecting Scousers to start booing The-Diving-Tvvat any more than I am expecting anyone else to put up a bit of fight for what they say (or write) that they want. Easier to crawl away and watch rugby - or Hartlepool - Fuck off up the Fail and all that Anyway; doffs cap, owd thing ... 'Tis sad, how compliant, how docile, how defeatist many people seem to have become. The good folk of Egypt organised a revolution, then helped depose the dictator that half of them had elected and then agreed to a military coup to sort it all out - All just using Twitter, and for the cost of a prawn sandwich and a latte. You'd think that ... actually, no you wouldn't ...
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Post by jukeboxjury on Feb 18, 2014 7:39:03 GMT
So true about the atmosphere in the boothen end Me and my future bro in law would RUN in our greatcoats and bovver boots from clayton up penkhl bank and then down to the ground We were both 16 and our parents banned us from going into the boothen end and we promised them that we would go into the Stoke end, which we never did Going past the players entrance we would wait and watch the players going in to huge cheeers. Entering the turnstiles and the cacophony of sound would reverberate around our ears and the climb up to our usual standing place was great as the sound of Zigger Zaggerr Was heard and set the heart pumping. When we scored we werre carried along on a rollercoaster of a ride our feet leaving the ground after the swell began to subside asking the big guys next to us who scored that. I know there was the negative side such as chasing the away supporters with the intention of ambushing them at the station, but at the time it was brill, wasnt it, The mardy arsed namby pby politically correct of today would be horrified at what we did, but it was passion and a love of my team that fired tthesoul and my love of every fibre of Stoke FC The memories come flooding back as I type this of waking up on xmas day and finding santa had again brought me the Charles Buchan football annual and frantically looking for pics of Stoke players. I apologise for going off the original thread somewhat and for the typo mistakes Hard when your eyes keep watering And while Im on the subject wherese feckin rattle
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Post by hollybush on Feb 18, 2014 12:23:05 GMT
I'll use this as a reply to you **************. What you seem to be saying is that football is changing in a way that takes it away from me, sifuluke and many others, but it doesn't matter because it means you can enjoy watching Suarez with all your South East Asian buddies. That is the attitude of a wanker, not a proper football fan, and you can deny it all you like, but you know that Stoke will never stand a chance of getting much above halfway in the Prem, and YOU DON'T CARE, because you'll still be able to watch us lose to all the other stars. You're better off outside the country mate, because you sound just like a Japanese tourist. You're just another one who's been taken in by the Premiership bullshit. The English Premiership, home of the greatest players and football in the world. Except that none of the play or are ever likely to play, for Stoke. Now I'm just a simple Stoke fan, but I really don't give a shit if Messi, Ronaldo and Pirlo are playing against Stoke, because believe it or not, I go to watch Stoke, not the fucking opposition. I just like the football, you know the match. Is that OK with you? I'm also a lifelong Stoke fan with a season ticket. What do you do? Just watch the Stoke players and cover your eyes when the opposition are in possession? Fuck me. Hollybush, when I say "insignificant minority" i'm referring to the small numbers of true fans that are drifting away from the game through disillusionment, not the fact that these fans or you are in some way insignificant as a person... Furthermore I respect these people, it's clowns like you who cry and moan their fucking nutsacks off about it all being corrupt, shite and "not ilke the old days" and then have the fucking brass neck temerity to go to the fucking games, claiming they are true "Stoke fans". The way you've just spoken to a fellow Stokie...well that's what I call a fucking wanker mate Just to piss on your parade a bit more (and sorry if I don't spend enough time on here to give prompt replies), I was actually being a bit disingenuous when I said I 'go to the match to watch Stoke', because I've actually stopped going since before christmas, and yes, I have a season ticket, but I no longer get any enjoyment out of the meaningless parade that masquerades as football. I'd much rather get regularly relegated and experience the fight to get back, even though I have no pleasure in being in the Prem, because our expectations are so limited. And, just to answer one of your other questions; when the opposition have the ball, my only interest is in when we get it back. I don't want to watch some other team, no matter how good they are, dancing round us as though we're not there. The only use for a Suarez or his like, if they're not playing for Stoke, is to be kicked up in the air with excessive force until they stop playing. Old-fashioned and crude, yes, but they don't play for Stoke and are hence just targets, not something to be admired.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2014 18:54:14 GMT
I just like the football, you know the match. Is that OK with you? I'm also a lifelong Stoke fan with a season ticket. What do you do? Just watch the Stoke players and cover your eyes when the opposition are in possession? Fuck me. Hollybush, when I say "insignificant minority" i'm referring to the small numbers of true fans that are drifting away from the game through disillusionment, not the fact that these fans or you are in some way insignificant as a person... Furthermore I respect these people, it's clowns like you who cry and moan their fucking nutsacks off about it all being corrupt, shite and "not ilke the old days" and then have the fucking brass neck temerity to go to the fucking games, claiming they are true "Stoke fans". The way you've just spoken to a fellow Stokie...well that's what I call a fucking wanker mate Just to piss on your parade a bit more (and sorry if I don't spend enough time on here to give prompt replies), I was actually being a bit disingenuous when I said I 'go to the match to watch Stoke', because I've actually stopped going since before christmas, and yes, I have a season ticket, but I no longer get any enjoyment out of the meaningless parade that masquerades as football. I'd much rather get regularly relegated and experience the fight to get back, even though I have no pleasure in being in the Prem, because our expectations are so limited. And, just to answer one of your other questions; when the opposition have the ball, my only interest is in when we get it back. I don't want to watch some other team, no matter how good they are, dancing round us as though we're not there. The only use for a Suarez or his like, if they're not playing for Stoke, is to be kicked up in the air with excessive force until they stop playing. Old-fashioned and crude, yes, but they don't play for Stoke and are hence just targets, not something to be admired. When you say "piss on your parade" what exactly are you getting at? If you don't enjoy the football any more, why do you try and belittle fans that do? Hollybush, you're the one who is strutting around the place like a peacock, shooting your mouth off at a fellow Stokie, simply because you've misunderstood the posts and the points being made. You've just ended up making yourself look angry and confused mate. Don't take this the wrong way, but read the posts properly before you start abusing people. I love Stoke, I like the Premiership, I love it when we win, I kick the heads of the flowers in my garden when we lose and I really enjoy watching great games and great players. Where's the problem with that? Anyway, no harm done and I really hope you can find some way back to being a supporter who enjoys the game. Easy Squire.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2014 19:11:54 GMT
Just to piss on your parade a bit more (and sorry if I don't spend enough time on here to give prompt replies), I was actually being a bit disingenuous when I said I 'go to the match to watch Stoke', because I've actually stopped going since before christmas, and yes, I have a season ticket, but I no longer get any enjoyment out of the meaningless parade that masquerades as football. I'd much rather get regularly relegated and experience the fight to get back, even though I have no pleasure in being in the Prem, because our expectations are so limited. And, just to answer one of your other questions; when the opposition have the ball, my only interest is in when we get it back. I don't want to watch some other team, no matter how good they are, dancing round us as though we're not there. The only use for a Suarez or his like, if they're not playing for Stoke, is to be kicked up in the air with excessive force until they stop playing. Old-fashioned and crude, yes, but they don't play for Stoke and are hence just targets, not something to be admired. When you say "piss on your parade" what exactly are you getting at? If you don't enjoy the football any more, why do you try and belittle fans that do? Hollybush, you're the one who is strutting around the place like a peacock, shooting your mouth off at a fellow Stokie, simply because you've misunderstood the posts and the points being made. You've just ended up making yourself look angry and confused mate. Don't take this the wrong way, but read the posts properly before you start abusing people. I love Stoke, I like the Premiership, I love it when we win, I kick the heads of the flowers in my garden when we lose and I really enjoy watching great games and great players. Where's the problem with that? Anyway, no harm done and I really hope you can find some way back to being a supporter who enjoys the game. Easy Squire. Kicking the heads of flowers off could make you the first 'tree hugging' hooligan that I've ever encountered .....although I did once befriend a divorced desperate housewife who liked me to whip her naked torso with dandelion heads....Mavis was her name . I think her budgie was called jimmy.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2014 19:22:32 GMT
When you say "piss on your parade" what exactly are you getting at? If you don't enjoy the football any more, why do you try and belittle fans that do? Hollybush, you're the one who is strutting around the place like a peacock, shooting your mouth off at a fellow Stokie, simply because you've misunderstood the posts and the points being made. You've just ended up making yourself look angry and confused mate. Don't take this the wrong way, but read the posts properly before you start abusing people. I love Stoke, I like the Premiership, I love it when we win, I kick the heads of the flowers in my garden when we lose and I really enjoy watching great games and great players. Where's the problem with that? Anyway, no harm done and I really hope you can find some way back to being a supporter who enjoys the game. Easy Squire. Kicking the heads of flowers off could make you the first 'tree hugging' hooligan that I've ever encountered .....although I did once befriend a divorced desperate housewife who liked me to whip her naked torso with dandelion heads....Mavis was her name . I think her budgie was called jimmy. I doubt you'd refer to me as a tree-hugger if you knew me Mumf...
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Post by bathstoke on Feb 18, 2014 19:27:15 GMT
When you say "piss on your parade" what exactly are you getting at? If you don't enjoy the football any more, why do you try and belittle fans that do? Hollybush, you're the one who is strutting around the place like a peacock, shooting your mouth off at a fellow Stokie, simply because you've misunderstood the posts and the points being made. You've just ended up making yourself look angry and confused mate. Don't take this the wrong way, but read the posts properly before you start abusing people. I love Stoke, I like the Premiership, I love it when we win, I kick the heads of the flowers in my garden when we lose and I really enjoy watching great games and great players. Where's the problem with that? Anyway, no harm done and I really hope you can find some way back to being a supporter who enjoys the game. Easy Squire. Kicking the heads of flowers off could make you the first 'tree hugging' hooligan that I've ever encountered .....although I did once befriend a divorced desperate housewife who liked me to whip her naked torso with dandelion heads....Mavis was her name . I think her budgie was called jimmy. Mumf, can U tell us more about Mavis, cause I for one am intrigued. I'm not that fused about Jimmy mind, unless he's integral to the story...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2014 19:34:37 GMT
Kicking the heads of flowers off could make you the first 'tree hugging' hooligan that I've ever encountered .....although I did once befriend a divorced desperate housewife who liked me to whip her naked torso with dandelion heads....Mavis was her name . I think her budgie was called jimmy. Mumf, can U tell us more about Mavis, cause I for one am intrigued. I'm not that fused about Jimmy mind, unless he's integral to the story... Yes....she lived in a big house on the road out of Sandbach towards Elworth. She loved nothing better than to strip off naked in the garden and water her geraniums...which is how I first noticed her. She had an ample bosom with huge nipples you could hang your hat on and she liked to frolic with gay abandon around her floribundas....many nights I hardly had the energy to pedal my bike home up kids grove bank....knackered I was with all the pruning.
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Post by northernsoul56 on Feb 18, 2014 20:01:22 GMT
Hello This is my first post Been going down stoke for nearly 50 years and must confess I do get bored with how football is at the moment as we have little to no chance of ever finishing in the top four with how the game is at the moment. Been looking at the league tables for 1st division football from 1969\70 season to present day prem and was great to see clubs of our size or smaller winning the league or finishing in the top four. I would say you should all go and look for your selves and make your mind up which is better.... Then or now.....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2014 20:07:00 GMT
Hello This is my first post Been going down stoke for nearly 50 years and must confess I do get bored with how football is at the moment as we have little to no chance of ever finishing in the top four with how the game is at the moment. Been looking at the league tables for 1st division football from 1969\70 season to present day prem and was great to see clubs of our size or smaller winning the league or finishing in the top four. I would say you should all go and look for your selves and make your mind up which is better.... Then or now..... Welcome aboard mate...you're certainly in the right thread...
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Post by bathstoke on Feb 18, 2014 20:33:57 GMT
Hello This is my first post Been going down stoke for nearly 50 years and must confess I do get bored with how football is at the moment as we have little to no chance of ever finishing in the top four with how the game is at the moment. Been looking at the league tables for 1st division football from 1969\70 season to present day prem and was great to see clubs of our size or smaller winning the league or finishing in the top four. I would say you should all go and look for your selves and make your mind up which is better.... Then or now..... "Times, they are a changing."
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Post by bathstoke on Feb 18, 2014 20:36:26 GMT
Mumf, can U tell us more about Mavis, cause I for one am intrigued. I'm not that fused about Jimmy mind, unless he's integral to the story... Yes....she lived in a big house on the road out of Sandbach towards Elworth. She loved nothing better than to strip off naked in the garden and water her geraniums...which is how I first noticed her. She had an ample bosom with huge nipples you could hang your hat on and she liked to frolic with gay abandon around her floribundas....many nights I hardly had the energy to pedal my bike home up kids grove bank....knackered I was with all the pruning. Was that her bush that you pruned or did you shear it!?!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2014 20:54:10 GMT
Yes....she lived in a big house on the road out of Sandbach towards Elworth. She loved nothing better than to strip off naked in the garden and water her geraniums...which is how I first noticed her. She had an ample bosom with huge nipples you could hang your hat on and she liked to frolic with gay abandon around her floribundas....many nights I hardly had the energy to pedal my bike home up kids grove bank....knackered I was with all the pruning. Was that her bush that you pruned or did you shear it!?! Yes....very perceptive of you. I used to give her bush a "number 1" but on rare occasions she also enjoyed a number 2..... It was like 'fatal distraction'......Ooooooeeeerrrrrr.....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2014 21:25:20 GMT
This thread is one of an increasing number on the same subject, and IMO, the first step on not too long a road. I've read on this thread that the 'oldies' will drift away and become 'natural wastage'. It doesn't quite work that way. With some of the older ones drifting away will be some of those not quite so old who look on the oldies as part of the reason they go to the game. So when some of the younger ones also drift away, so, too, will some of the even younger ones. Ad infinitum until eventually, 'local' fans diminishing in ever increasing numbers will vanish up the arse of the hoola-hoola bird and the game will become a product of the ultimate masses: a global TV product selling its soul where a supporting background noise from supporters is to be had. It will probably be Asia, and any club who want financial success will take their 'wares' wherever the TV moguls say they should go. You don't think I'm right? When I was watching players like Tom Finney with his amazing talent working as a plumber and also as a footballer, if anybody had ever told me that one player would earn £15,000,000 a year, then I would have laughed in their faces and told them they were fucking crazy. OS. And meanwhile, lower down the leagues, professional football clubs go into liquidation because they owe less than Rooney's new weekly wage and no-one at the top of the pyramid gives a shit.
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Post by penkvillepotter on Feb 18, 2014 21:40:24 GMT
To summarise I'm hoping the next issue of Duck with it's feature on that night in Peterborough will illustrate the differences between what was real footie and the sanitised shit we have today.
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Post by madnellie on Feb 18, 2014 22:31:34 GMT
i must admit I feel the same way , Stoke still in my blood but corporate shite and overpaid players really get me down at times Exactly what I think, but with diving and cheating included too.
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