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Post by PotterLog on Feb 16, 2014 5:40:17 GMT
They've pulled down Hanley bus station??
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Post by jukeboxjury on Feb 16, 2014 5:47:04 GMT
Us oldies like to remember the past cos we were young and virile Its what the young un of today will do when they get owd Not saying it was better then than it is today. I do think we remember the good times more than the bad times not just in footy but life in general. We didnt have mobiles to text at every decision made, we ranted in the pub amd at work. We didnt have pre match interviews from the manager We had the Sentinal and later the Oatcake mag. The only forum them was a girly mag with sticky pages that you had borrowed from a mate. We didnt even know the team till your bought a programme on the day at the ground. So dunna. Knock us old uns goin back in time and I know it wasnt all rosy. I remember vowing never to watch another game after we lost to Blythe feckin Spartans but was back again the next week. I did refuse point lank to attend a match that was re sceduled to be played at Vale pk agter the roof came off Tthink it was againsy Middlesborough but might be wrong. Oh well time for the alzeimer tablets and may I wish you all a merry xmas
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Post by Pedropotter on Feb 16, 2014 7:10:35 GMT
People go on about the vic as if it was always full and always a noisy cauldron. It wasn't. History gets re-written and people get carried away with it all. The Vic was like a morgue a lot of the time. In big games when it was full it came to life. Same as the Brit does when there is something to shout about. Ferfuxache, when we beat Chelsea some said it was ace because we got the atmosphere back. It was back because there was something to make an atmosphere about! Ditto when we beat the shit. It was quiet v Swansea because there was nothing to make a noise over. That was all the same at the Vic. Nostalgia aint what it used to be.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2014 8:43:14 GMT
Is the modern game so awful? I can rhink of several reasons why it is, both on and off the pitch. Yes, me too, but I doubt we'll be seeing you down at N-U-L FC with a "Black Power" placard anytime soon though MD?
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Post by cheadlepotter on Feb 16, 2014 8:56:34 GMT
I think, on the whole, the Premiership is brilliant, but it's far from perfect. Bent referees where different teams have different rules to abide by. Players throwing themselves to the ground because they've received 'contact'. Soulless stadiums every week that cost an absolute fortune to get into and a fortune inside too. Only a small group of clubs who can ever win the league unless some mad billionaire buys a club. And the best you can hope for as a Stoke fan is, well, to not be the best. The best we can hope for is to be average. Brilliant my arse.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2014 9:03:24 GMT
I think, on the whole, the Premiership is brilliant, but it's far from perfect. Bent referees where different teams have different rules to abide by. Players throwing themselves to the ground because they've received 'contact'. Soulless stadiums every week that cost an absolute fortune to get into and a fortune inside too. Only a small group of clubs who can ever win the league unless some mad billionaire buys a club. And the best you can hope for as a Stoke fan is, well, to not be the best. The best we can hope for is to be average. Brilliant my arse. I see Aguero or Suarez on the ball, Couch's goal, the "Wenger", the smiles on peoples faces, Mourinho calling Wenger a specialist in failure, singing Delilah with 20,000 other nutters, trips to Wembley. I could go on... You miserable toad. By the time some of you lot on here have finished your bloody moaning, you'll be in your coffins. Cheer up FFS. It's sport, a bowl of trivia - if you can't enjoy it watch Eastenders.
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Post by lordb on Feb 16, 2014 9:03:39 GMT
I just hate how football has gone from an accessable affordable Saturday afternoon to a budget busting any day of the week pain.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2014 9:07:36 GMT
I just hate how football has gone from an accessable affordable Saturday afternoon to a budget busting any day of the week pain. And that's footballs fault is it? A SCFC season ticket is great value.
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Post by lordb on Feb 16, 2014 9:12:44 GMT
I just hate how football has gone from an accessable affordable Saturday afternoon to a budget busting any day of the week pain. And that's footballs fault is it? A SCFC season ticket is great value. Of course it's footballs fault Football chooses to take the SKY money I have as season ticket but 'great value' really? When it's god knows how many times more expensive than it was pre SKY is football better than pre -SKY? - not in my book although I accept some people think it is. Football used to be slightly more expensive than going to the cinema,now it's 4 or 5 (or even 6) times more expensive.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Feb 16, 2014 9:22:34 GMT
The thing about the vic probably wasn't the atmosphere or nostalgia surrounding it, but the location. Look at most clubs who've moved stadia, it's all about location. Closest pubs, train station/public transport, places to eat, etc. The vic like many old (now sadly lost) grounds had good locations to all the above. New grounds have effectively airlifted a whole day into an out of town/industrial park-esque environment, where the match day experience involves a degree in map reading and trip to the boot camp to get fit so we can actual get to these places.
That's one of the prices of modern football in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2014 10:18:16 GMT
Quite a bit of mickeytaking on this thread and yet, I can fully understand where this fellas coming from.
I watched Man city vs chelsea yesterday and I despair at the amount of cheating and gamesmanship in the modern game.
Sportsmaship is well and truly down the fucking toliet with cheating -diving - feigning injuries, waving imaginary cards etc - worst of all all seem by the officials who seem happy to let it (mostly) pass by. Citehs goalscorer was the worst example - diving pathetically after being clipped ever so slighty by a Chelsea defender
pathetic - he got booked - straight fucking red for me
the whole sorry lot sicken me and its coming to the point of
'why watch premier league football' ? - its bent - full of cheats and scumbags
I think Im 'falling out of love' with this game at the top level too !
to cap it all - hardly any fucker can even take a fucking throw in line with the rules anymore !
and nobody pulls em up - ever-
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 16, 2014 10:36:15 GMT
Enjoyed that. "Sit down. Don’t drink. Don’t smoke. Don’t swear. Don’t wave that banner. Stop shouting. Enjoy the stadium experience in the correct manner." Indeed
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2014 10:40:13 GMT
Enjoyed that. "Sit down. Don’t drink. Don’t smoke. Don’t swear. Don’t wave that banner. Stop shouting. Enjoy the stadium experience in the correct manner." Indeed And pay the best part of 50 quid for the privilege.
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Post by blackpoolred on Feb 16, 2014 10:56:22 GMT
Enjoyed that. "Sit down. Don’t drink. Don’t smoke. Don’t swear. Don’t wave that banner. Stop shouting. Enjoy the stadium experience in the correct manner." Indeed I too hate everything about the modern day game: the diving, cheating, bitting players; stopping at nothing to win. Dont get me started on the rich chairman who are ruining our game, with there egos and cluless ideas about taking the game forward(it beggars belief that this tan prick can come in and change a teams colours) I am holding on by the skin of my teeth at the moment, I did not renew my season ticket this year because I enjoy the experience of watching football less and less. I have been to a handful of games and am gradually switching to rugby where men are men and give blood, guts and passion to try and stop the other team getting over the try line and where 16 stone players are bollocked by a 10st ref and don't answer back. When the Stoke team is full of foreign players, playing tip tappy boring football and diving all over the place to con the ref, then it will be the final nail for me. Stoke though are one of the few remaining teams who play fair and I think this is because the Stoke public would not put up with any poncing about. How long it will be before this all changes and we are renamed Stoke Storm is up for debate
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Post by starkiller on Feb 16, 2014 10:58:29 GMT
The modern football experience is like some Hitler wet dream.
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Post by JoeinOz on Feb 16, 2014 12:09:34 GMT
IMHO football is better than ever. The other things are open to debate of course but football istelf is pretty brilliant.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2014 12:16:14 GMT
IMHO football is better than ever. The other things are open to debate of course but football istelf is pretty brilliant. Exactly. If you don't like it...do something else. In Thailand they go crazy for it. You never hear any of this miserable moaning from those guys. Have a word with yourselves...nobody is forcing you to watch football.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 16, 2014 12:39:17 GMT
IMHO football is better than ever. The other things are open to debate of course but football istelf is pretty brilliant. Exactly. If you don't like it...do something else. In Thailand they go crazy for it. You never hear any of this miserable moaning from those guys. Have a word with yourselves...nobody is forcing you to watch football. And that is why Scudamore will get his soul destroying '39th game' eventually and that is the point when I will bid football at the top level good night.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2014 12:42:42 GMT
Exactly. If you don't like it...do something else. In Thailand they go crazy for it. You never hear any of this miserable moaning from those guys. Have a word with yourselves...nobody is forcing you to watch football. And that is why Scudamore will eventually get his soul destroying '39th game' eventually and that is the point when I will bid football at the top level good night. Bet you don't. You couldn't turn your back on Stoke. If you did you would be very unhappy.
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Post by JoeinOz on Feb 16, 2014 12:45:31 GMT
The idea that the 39th game concept will be relaunched is based on nothing.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 16, 2014 12:49:49 GMT
And that is why Scudamore will eventually get his soul destroying '39th game' eventually and that is the point when I will bid football at the top level good night. Bet you don't. You couldn't turn your back on Stoke. If you did you would be very unhappy. I suppose you're right but that's why it makes me sick when supporters are referred to as 'customers'. They are unlike any other 'consumer' in the world, their emotional attachment to the 'product' is incomparable and sadly it is a fact that the Premier League has created an environment where most of the clubs in this country abuse this emotional attachment to its maximum. It really does not have to be this way.
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Post by cheadlepotter on Feb 16, 2014 12:51:09 GMT
Bent referees where different teams have different rules to abide by. Players throwing themselves to the ground because they've received 'contact'. Soulless stadiums every week that cost an absolute fortune to get into and a fortune inside too. Only a small group of clubs who can ever win the league unless some mad billionaire buys a club. And the best you can hope for as a Stoke fan is, well, to not be the best. The best we can hope for is to be average. Brilliant my arse. I see Aguero or Suarez on the ball, Couch's goal, the "Wenger", the smiles on peoples faces, Mourinho calling Wenger a specialist in failure, singing Delilah with 20,000 other nutters, trips to Wembley. I could go on... You miserable toad. By the time some of you lot on here have finished your bloody moaning, you'll be in your coffins. Cheer up FFS. It's sport, a bowl of trivia - if you can't enjoy it watch Eastenders. Forgive the legal inaccuracies... So you rent a lovely house with nothing wrong with it. Someone invests into your letting agency. They come over and decorate your house how you don't want it, smash a couple of windows, and take your new oven away and replace it with a microwave. Then, after all that, they put your rent up. Cheer up you miserable sod. If you don't like it go and live in a caravan. Seriously, the game is being ruined. And it really doesn't need to happen.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 16, 2014 12:52:24 GMT
The idea that the 39th game concept will be relaunched is based on nothing. Scudamore recently commented how deeply impressed he has been by American sports forays into London. It may not be a 39th game but I'd like to bet that we see regular season games played in overseas territories in the next 20 years.
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Post by kitkatkev on Feb 16, 2014 12:54:00 GMT
If the club think 3k season ticket holders leaving last season was a lot wait till next season we be lucky if we get 20k at the Brit on a regular basis. We have lost our identity and sold out to the Devil. I am also guilty in this because I have Sky
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2014 12:55:43 GMT
Bet you don't. You couldn't turn your back on Stoke. If you did you would be very unhappy. I suppose you're right but that's why it makes me sick when supporters are referred to as 'customers'. They are unlike any other 'consumer' in the world, their emotional attachment to the 'product' is incomparable and sadly it is a fact that the Premier League has created an environment where most of the clubs in this country abuse this emotional attachment to its maximum. It really does not have to be this way. Like anything Sheikhy, there's a lot wrong I agree, but there is also some good stuff too. You can become very despondent if you focus too hard on the negative...I try not to do that, particularly when we are only talking about a game of football. I suppose living overseas gives me a slightly different viewpoint, as I only get to a handful of games each season - which I absolutely love.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 16, 2014 13:02:57 GMT
He doesn't realise he's part of the problem though, bless him. And I'm specifically on about the bloke in the photo. Fuckin hell bayern that is very harsh. How about taking account of what he's saying and doing rather than picking out the way he looks and the fact he's carrying a flag ffs? This guy is as passionate and old-school a fan as you can get and he's taken the pretty big step of turning his back on it, purely on principle - and doing a little bit to stand up for traditions I thought you valued in footy. In what way is he 'part of the problem'? I think banners and flags like that are just part of the problem, the fake glasses just made me think he's a twat who's trying to be different. He just looks like a Palace fan, I can imagine him Dale Cavesing and beating a drum thiniing he's standing up to modern football.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2014 13:04:33 GMT
I see Aguero or Suarez on the ball, Couch's goal, the "Wenger", the smiles on peoples faces, Mourinho calling Wenger a specialist in failure, singing Delilah with 20,000 other nutters, trips to Wembley. I could go on... You miserable toad. By the time some of you lot on here have finished your bloody moaning, you'll be in your coffins. Cheer up FFS. It's sport, a bowl of trivia - if you can't enjoy it watch Eastenders. Forgive the legal inaccuracies... So you rent a lovely house with nothing wrong with it. Someone invests into your letting agency. They come over and decorate your house how you don't want it, smash a couple of windows, and take your new oven away and replace it with a microwave. Then, after all that, they put your rent up. Cheer up you miserable sod. If you don't like it go and live in a caravan. Seriously, the game is being ruined. And it really doesn't need to happen. When was it a "lovely house"? And what's wrong with someone investing in a letting agency/football club? I can't see how you can sandbox football...clubs have always been a commercial business. Unfortunately, and I take no pleasure in saying this, but it seems to me that it's some of the english fans that are out of kilter with the state of the game in 2014. Economic forces are at work here and there's nothing anyone can do, particularly as the Premiership now very much belongs to the world, not the UK.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2014 13:13:59 GMT
Football will no doubt survive and a new generation of fans will replace those of us longer in the tooth.
These new fans will have no problem with diving, cheating etc as it's all they've ever known. They'll have no issue with the 'competition' being an effective closed shop with entry only for those with fabulous wealth who can build massive stadia and buy up all the best players as this also will be normal for them.
There will however be a huge swathe of ex-fans who simply don't recognise or value the footballing product they once loved to be involved with. Will this matter? Maybe not, provided there is a constant stream of new customers happy with what's on offer. But it doesn't diminish the value of what the ex-fans say when they argue that football is all a bit pointless, soulless and unrecognizable from the thing they used to enjoy.
************** is right when he says the quality of football has improved. It has. But the whole football experience has diminished massively. Only Sky's and the PL's PR machines working overtime and very effectively it has to be said are keeping a new generation interested. I'll bet there are millions of forty plus fans who think football is a bit wank these days and only have a passing interest in it.
I didn't renew my ST this year. I've watched MoTD once this season. I know who is going to finish top four, I know who will reach the latter stages of the CL, it's quite likely who's going to win the LC.
It's boringly predictable. It's increasingly lifeless. It's expensive. It's purely about money. It's riddled with cunts on and off the pitch. It's bent from FIFA downwards. In short, all a bit crap these days!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2014 13:34:39 GMT
Football will no doubt survive and a new generation of fans will replace those of us longer in the tooth. These new fans will have no problem with diving, cheating etc as it's all they've ever known. They'll have no issue with the 'competition' being an effective closed shop with entry only for those with fabulous wealth who can build massive stadia and buy up all the best players as this also will be normal for them. There will however be a huge swathe of ex-fans who simply don't recognise or value the footballing product they once loved to be involved with. Will this matter? Maybe not, provided there is a constant stream of new customers happy with what's on offer. But it doesn't diminish the value of what the ex-fans say when they argue that football is all a bit pointless, soulless and unrecognizable from the thing they used to enjoy. ************** is right when he says the quality of football has improved. It has. But the whole football experience has diminished massively. Only Sky's and the PL's PR machines working overtime and very effectively it has to be said are keeping a new generation interested. I'll bet there are millions of forty plus fans who think football is a bit wank these days and only have a passing interest in it. I didn't renew my ST this year. I've watched MoTD once this season. I know who is going to finish top four, I know who will reach the latter stages of the CL, it's quite likely who's going to win the LC. It's boringly predictable. It's increasingly lifeless. It's expensive. It's purely about money. It's riddled with cunts on and off the pitch. It's bent from FIFA downwards. In short, all a bit crap these days! The game has changed beyond all recognition and will continue to do so, change is the only constant. Yet football has never been more popular. If youve not been to Soth East Asia you simply would not comprehend the popularity of the EPL. However, here in the UK there's a small ageing (and to be honest, insignificant) minority that are falling out of love with it...so what's the solution here Luke?
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Post by iancransonsknees on Feb 16, 2014 13:35:21 GMT
Football will no doubt survive and a new generation of fans will replace those of us longer in the tooth. These new fans will have no problem with diving, cheating etc as it's all they've ever known. They'll have no issue with the 'competition' being an effective closed shop with entry only for those with fabulous wealth who can build massive stadia and buy up all the best players as this also will be normal for them. There will however be a huge swathe of ex-fans who simply don't recognise or value the footballing product they once loved to be involved with. Will this matter? Maybe not, provided there is a constant stream of new customers happy with what's on offer. But it doesn't diminish the value of what the ex-fans say when they argue that football is all a bit pointless, soulless and unrecognizable from the thing they used to enjoy. ************** is right when he says the quality of football has improved. It has. But the whole football experience has diminished massively. Only Sky's and the PL's PR machines working overtime and very effectively it has to be said are keeping a new generation interested. I'll bet there are millions of forty plus fans who think football is a bit wank these days and only have a passing interest in it. I didn't renew my ST this year. I've watched MoTD once this season. I know who is going to finish top four, I know who will reach the latter stages of the CL, it's quite likely who's going to win the LC. It's boringly predictable. It's increasingly lifeless. It's expensive. It's purely about money. It's riddled with cunts on and off the pitch. It's bent from FIFA downwards. In short, all a bit crap these days! Post of the year already.
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