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Post by ohhgeorgieberry on Jan 7, 2014 8:35:26 GMT
He talks so highly of Stoke as a club and a place and after all that he achieved I just can't get my head round some of the hatred directed at him
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Post by mcf on Jan 7, 2014 8:50:16 GMT
...because they are wankstains.
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Post by armitagestokie on Jan 7, 2014 8:59:11 GMT
Because loads of so called Stoke Fans have tunnel vision,caused by armchair watching!!!
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Jan 7, 2014 9:05:53 GMT
He talks so highly of Stoke as a club and a place and after all that he achieved I just can't get my head round some of the hatred directed at him Hatred?? I don't think its that personally, I would say its more disappointment , even after Europe, an FA Cup Final and 5 consecutive years in England's top league he could of achieved potentially more, he really could of solidified us into a top 10 team. He found a winning formula, that for someone reason he changed after the Liverpool game & it never made sense.
No one knows what went on behind the curtains, & I am personally disappointed about the fact we never got too see his new football model that he had been working on for the last 6 months in his time here, but it was a little too late it seemed.
I really don't believe many dislike the bloke, they only dislike what they saw for the 2nd half of last season, there is no doubt when we play Palace, he deserves a mighty thank you, as we never got too say goodbye properly. We all know deep down that without Tone we wouldn't be where we are today, we all hope he is successful I'm sure just a new change was needed.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jan 7, 2014 9:15:25 GMT
Interesting that Moyes doesn't want Saha to go back to London on loan.
Perhaps we'd be in with a shout IF we are interested?
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Post by Squeekster on Jan 7, 2014 9:17:31 GMT
Interesting that Moyes doesn't want Saha to go back to London on loan. Perhaps we'd be in with a shout IF we are interested? Fooking hell didn't think he still played for them!  |
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Post by jeycov on Jan 7, 2014 9:18:49 GMT
Zaha?
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jan 7, 2014 9:32:50 GMT
Interesting that Moyes doesn't want Saha to go back to London on loan. Perhaps we'd be in with a shout IF we are interested? Fooking hell didn't think he still played for them! Oops! You know what I mean you fuckers! |
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Post by Olgrligm on Jan 7, 2014 9:33:19 GMT
Interesting that Moyes doesn't want Saha to go back to London on loan. Perhaps we'd be in with a shout IF we are interested? Did he say why? Bad influences? |
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jan 7, 2014 9:35:29 GMT
Interesting that Moyes doesn't want Saha to go back to London on loan. Perhaps we'd be in with a shout IF we are interested? Did he say why? Bad influences? No didn't go into detail, mate. |
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Post by Olgrligm on Jan 7, 2014 9:37:27 GMT
Did he say why? Bad influences? No didn't go into detail, mate. Oh right, still interesting though. We could do with a bit of pace in the wide areas, he might be worth a go if we sign up Ireland. |
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jan 7, 2014 9:39:17 GMT
No didn't go into detail, mate. Oh right, still interesting though. We could do with a bit of pace in the wide areas, he might be worth a go if we sign up Ireland. Yeah, he'd definitely make a difference to us. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2014 10:22:18 GMT
Mata on loan?
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Post by MuddyWoody on Jan 7, 2014 10:54:27 GMT
He talks so highly of Stoke as a club and a place and after all that he achieved I just can't get my head round some of the hatred directed at him Hatred?? I don't think its that personally, I would say its more disappointment , even after Europe, an FA Cup Final and 5 consecutive years in England's top league he could of achieved potentially more, he really could of solidified us into a top 10 team. He found a winning formula, that for someone reason he changed after the Liverpool game & it never made sense.
No one knows what went on behind the curtains, & I am personally disappointed about the fact we never got too see his new football model that he had been working on for the last 6 months in his time here, but it was a little too late it seemed.
I really don't believe many dislike the bloke, they only dislike what they saw for the 2nd half of last season, there is no doubt when we play Palace, he deserves a mighty thank you, as we never got too say goodbye properly. We all know deep down that without Tone we wouldn't be where we are today, we all hope he is successful I'm sure just a new change was needed.
Agree with that. TP did wonders for this club. He made mistakes along the way, dodgy transfers and negative tactics spring to mind, but he should get massive credit for the position he left the club in. |
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Post by metalhead on Jan 7, 2014 11:43:40 GMT
He talks so highly of Stoke as a club and a place and after all that he achieved I just can't get my head round some of the hatred directed at him Hatred?? I don't think its that personally, I would say its more disappointment , even after Europe, an FA Cup Final and 5 consecutive years in England's top league he could of achieved potentially more, he really could of solidified us into a top 10 team. He found a winning formula, that for someone reason he changed after the Liverpool game & it never made sense.
No one knows what went on behind the curtains, & I am personally disappointed about the fact we never got too see his new football model that he had been working on for the last 6 months in his time here, but it was a little too late it seemed.
I really don't believe many dislike the bloke, they only dislike what they saw for the 2nd half of last season, there is no doubt when we play Palace, he deserves a mighty thank you, as we never got too say goodbye properly. We all know deep down that without Tone we wouldn't be where we are today, we all hope he is successful I'm sure just a new change was needed.
I try not to get drawn into arguments over Tony Pulis. Too many goons on this board let fly at the guy without showing the respect he deserves. If it wasn't for Pulis, we really wouldn't be here. If we'd sacked him, like Cardiff have with Malky Mackay, in our first when we were struggling, we'd have gone down. Our team in that first season was embarrassingly short of Premiership quality, yet Pulis built a spirit at this club and the belief that we might be the underdogs, but who gives a shit? If anything, we lost that last season or the season before when certain players arrived with a holier than thou attitude. Agree with that. TP did wonders for this club. He made mistakes along the way, dodgy transfers and negative tactics spring to mind, but he should get massive credit for the position he left the club in. There isn't any point looking at his mistakes now. Tony is doing a great job at Palace and instead of remembering the mistakes, we should be praising his positives. Sure... he signed Wilson Palacios and Eidur Gudjohnsen, but he also signed Asmir Begovic, Tommy Sorenson, Ryan Shawcross, Abdoulaye Faye, Robert Huth, Matty Etherington, Geoff Cameron and a certain Sir Ricardo Fuller. No-one complains about those signings eh? Everyone talks about negative tactics, but if it wasn't for his 'anti-football', 'negative tactics' in our first season, we almost certainly would have gone down. We picked up vital points against teams far superior to us, and that gave us the springboard to where we are today. Pulis should be seen as a hero by Stoke fans, not a pariah. I hope those who travel to Palace give him a massive reception, because I certainly will. He deserves it. |
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Post by Vestan Pance on Jan 7, 2014 11:51:47 GMT
Tried once to reply to this, will try again. It would help if i wasn't a ham-fisted arsehole.
He had his good points, he had his bad points. The one thing that we can consider irredoubtable fact is that he isn't here anymore. On that basis, do you think it's possible we could stop the daily "Tony Pulis was a great bloke / fucking arsehole" threads? Jesus, we sound like a bloke who got rid of a ropey Mrs and we're still bleating on about it 6 months later. It's embarrassing.
It's like groundhog day on here. He's gone, love or loathe, and he's not coming back.
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Post by spitthedog on Jan 7, 2014 13:51:18 GMT
Tried once to reply to this, will try again. It would help if i wasn't a ham-fisted arsehole. He had his good points, he had his bad points. The one thing that we can consider irredoubtable fact is that he isn't here anymore. On that basis, do you think it's possible we could stop the daily "Tony Pulis was a great bloke / fucking arsehole" threads? Jesus, we sound like a bloke who got rid of a ropey Mrs and we're still bleating on about it 6 months later. It's embarrassing. It's like groundhog day on here. He's gone, love or loathe, and he's not coming back. Couldn't agree more This word 'hatred' is just emotive nonesense. Just to stir all the usual kind of responses, and stuff that has been gone over a million times before. |
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Post by mcf on Jan 7, 2014 13:52:29 GMT
Every day that passes by though he gets mentioned less and less.
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Post by johnsmithsupper on Jan 7, 2014 14:13:52 GMT
I went from one of his biggest supporters to one of his biggest critics in the last year of his tenure but no one should ever take away from him what he achieved at this football club. On the day of his dismissal we did a live show on Knotfm in the evening which some of you may remember where i said although i thought it was the right decision the way it was handled not to allow Tony a show of appreciation from the supporters for all he had achieved was shameful. I still hold that view.
Yes reflect on what he could have done better, compare and contrast the current regime to his, and the comparable styles etc as i frequently do on knotfm much to some listeners enjoyment and annoyance in equal measure.
Never forget the highs of promotion, wembley x 2 and european football some things i never thought id ever see at Stoke City but also in his last season for some reason i just didnt want to be at the ground (even though i was) to watch a team and he, who clearly were not on the same page and you could tell the end was coming. The football was awful from jan 13 onwards to the end of the season.
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Post by alster on Jan 7, 2014 14:15:52 GMT
He's gone, love or loathe, and he's not coming back. Are you absolutely certain because I keep waking up in cold sweats to that very nightmare. |
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Jan 7, 2014 15:46:02 GMT
Last season to support Stoke and the manager was like expressing 'the love that dare not speak it's name' on here.
Any positive comments were jumped on by a pack of loons intent on petty point scoring rather than getting behind the team.
Tony wasn't and isn't perfect, but which manager is?
People were too stuck up their own arses with fixed immutable ideas that he couldn't/wouldn't change, wasn't good enough for this level etc.. to actually see the evidence before them.
It's those people who generally attempt to censor any mention of TP now, largely in fear that all the clichéd shite they continually spouted about the man will be proved wrong.
A better January window last year {Shea?} and I'm sure we wouldn't have flirted with relegation, and we could have had a marvellous 150th celebration and proper closure to a decade of great times for us. Rather than the damp squib of a fizzle out.
It's interesting to play 'football financier', but fundamentally it's not my cash, it could be argued that it's Sky's cash as much as St. Peter's that Tone supposedly spunked, so I couldn't give a shit really. It was all affordable or it wouldn't have been sanctioned.
It's true that the football was fairly shocking for the first couple of months of last year, but for me the rot stopped once we snubbed out Lukaku vs West Brom at The Brit. The spirit {and Wilson, and Huth, and N'Zonzi, and Crouch, and Adam, and Jerome} were back. We were unlucky vs Newcastle and Everton {both away} and even the Villa match we were on the front foot but unpicked by two quick counter attacks. The performances at the end of the season were no where near as bad as some folk make out. Imo.
I'm interested in what Tone does, while we're scratching our heads at where our atmosphere has gone, and scratting around thinking of a new songbook, the Nigel's of Palace are having a wail of a time. I have a tinge of envy. For this reason, whilst a load of mates are travelling for a Tony Tribute, I really don't think my bonce could take a defeat. I'll watch it from the comfort of the boozer.
Having said all that, I don't want to turn back time, nor saying we shouldn't have changed, I am fully behind Hughes and whilst I may blow a gasket at individual games/decisions I'm over the moon with the general direction and extremely optimistic for the future.
Now, can we have a re-run of that FA Cup draw.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2014 16:01:37 GMT
all i know is (and sad though it sounds) that although i spent the last few months of his tenure openly stating that i wanted him to go (but not in a hate filled, vitriolic, jarhead kinda way  ) i still felt numb when i heard it had finally happened. ok, so he had one season where we stagnated then spent the next season going downhill and we just about stayed up which proved he'd reached his zenith with us but does that make him some kind of evil, monstrous genocide monger who should be berrated and have scorn poured upon him for the rest of his career or does it just make him the same as virtually every other manager? overall he did a fantastic job for us to get us where he did! people can say all they like (and have and do) that "Anyone could have done it given the money he had to spend" but the simple fact is that "Anyone" didn't....Pulis did! is it too much to just give the man a bit of credit and thanks for what he did? i personally think not. he could have (if it was his way in terms of within his preferred style) got us to play beautiful passing football in the Championship but chances are we wouldn't have come up then and if we did we'd have spent the next few years yo-yoing like WBA did (and remember the shit we used to give their fans for saying "I'd rather play good football and get relegated than stay up playing hoofball"?? some on here seemed to turn into those kind of fans that they themselves ridiculed towards the end of the Pulis era!) he got us here, kept us here, reached as far as he could and the club then decided to make a change...end of story! he didn't hurt anyone, kill anyone or lose us any money.he also did masses of work for local charities, most notably the DLT and these are all the reasons why so many in the media (whether they like his football or not) respect him and to think that they have more respect for him that some of the fans of the club he clawed out of the ashes do is an absolute disgrace and says far more about their own pathetic personal agendas and their own petty mindedness and lack of perspective than it says about Pulis! he could spend his time in the media slagging off the club for not trusting him on the players he wanted in January, for basically ousting him from the transfer setup and being made to feel like they didn't trust him and were slowly pushing him out but he hasn't...he's handled himself (in terms of when he talks about us) with dignity, class and very respectfully, it's about time some on here started doing the same! |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 7, 2014 16:05:20 GMT
cheeesfreeex I'm just picking on the paragraph below; "It's true that the football was fairly shocking for the first couple of months of last year, but for me the rot stopped once we snubbed out Lukaku vs West Brom at The Brit. The spirit {and Wilson, and Huth, and N'Zonzi, and Crouch, and Adam, and Jerome} were back. We were unlucky vs Newcastle and Everton {both away} and even the Villa match we were on the front foot but unpicked by two quick counter attacks. The performances at the end of the season were no where near as bad as some folk make out. Imo." We won 3 games in the second half of last season and one of them was lucky (vs Reading, they should have had a last minute penalty). We were truly dreadful and Adam and Jerome didn't really come back into the team until the back of the season. Against Villa we were utterly hopeless and deserved that beating. It was terrible. I know it's iyo, I just disagree with it massively!
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Post by nik80 on Jan 7, 2014 16:17:38 GMT
Naar, you know, David doesn't want the kiddie Zahaaaaarrrr coming back down to London and we respect that.
Manchester Utd are a huge club, with fantastic players, we can't expect to be shaking apples off their tree so easily.
For the record, I did, do and will always love Tony Pulis.
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Post by thepremierbanksy on Jan 7, 2014 16:26:20 GMT
Last season to support Stoke and the manager was like expressing 'the love that dare not speak it's name' on here. Any positive comments were jumped on by a pack of loons intent on petty point scoring rather than getting behind the team. Tony wasn't and isn't perfect, but which manager is? People were too stuck up their own arses with fixed immutable ideas that he couldn't/wouldn't change, wasn't good enough for this level etc.. to actually see the evidence before them. It's those people who generally attempt to censor any mention of TP now, largely in fear that all the clichéd shite they continually spouted about the man will be proved wrong. A better January window last year {Shea?} and I'm sure we wouldn't have flirted with relegation, and we could have had a marvellous 150th celebration and proper closure to a decade of great times for us. Rather than the damp squib of a fizzle out. It's interesting to play 'football financier', but fundamentally it's not my cash, it could be argued that it's Sky's cash as much as St. Peter's that Tone supposedly spunked, so I couldn't give a shit really. It was all affordable or it wouldn't have been sanctioned. It's true that the football was fairly shocking for the first couple of months of last year, but for me the rot stopped once we snubbed out Lukaku vs West Brom at The Brit. The spirit {and Wilson, and Huth, and N'Zonzi, and Crouch, and Adam, and Jerome} were back. We were unlucky vs Newcastle and Everton {both away} and even the Villa match we were on the front foot but unpicked by two quick counter attacks. The performances at the end of the season were no where near as bad as some folk make out. Imo. I'm interested in what Tone does, while we're scratching our heads at where our atmosphere has gone, and scratting around thinking of a new songbook, the Nigel's of Palace are having a wail of a time. I have a tinge of envy. For this reason, whilst a load of mates are travelling for a Tony Tribute, I really don't think my bonce could take a defeat. I'll watch it from the comfort of the boozer. Having said all that, I don't want to turn back time, nor saying we shouldn't have changed, I am fully behind Hughes and whilst I may blow a gasket at individual games/decisions I'm over the moon with the general direction and extremely optimistic for the future. Now, can we have a re-run of that FA Cup draw. Having read the Bob thread on the GDB there's an elaborate Tony Pulis/Bob Dylan parallel there somewhere where everyone recognises the content but the style of delivery is utterly divisive - you're a DHW and I'm a rimmermann |
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Post by rooooooster on Jan 7, 2014 16:30:07 GMT
tony knows hes the man
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Post by jarvinski on Jan 7, 2014 17:11:03 GMT
Tony pulis should get the freedom of the city after what he has done for stoke city FCC,thanks tone
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Post by Bagwash on Jan 7, 2014 17:15:02 GMT
all i know is (and sad though it sounds) that although i spent the last few months of his tenure openly stating that i wanted him to go (but not in a hate filled, vitriolic, jarhead kinda way ) i still felt numb when i heard it had finally happened. ok, so he had one season where we stagnated then spent the next season going downhill and we just about stayed up which proved he'd reached his zenith with us but does that make him some kind of evil, monstrous genocide monger who should be berrated and have scorn poured upon him for the rest of his career or does it just make him the same as virtually every other manager? overall he did a fantastic job for us to get us where he did! people can say all they like (and have and do) that "Anyone could have done it given the money he had to spend" but the simple fact is that "Anyone" didn't....Pulis did! is it too much to just give the man a bit of credit and thanks for what he did? i personally think not. he could have (if it was his way in terms of within his preferred style) got us to play beautiful passing football in the Championship but chances are we wouldn't have come up then and if we did we'd have spent the next few years yo-yoing like WBA did (and remember the shit we used to give their fans for saying "I'd rather play good football and get relegated than stay up playing hoofball"?? some on here seemed to turn into those kind of fans that they themselves ridiculed towards the end of the Pulis era!) he got us here, kept us here, reached as far as he could and the club then decided to make a change...end of story! he didn't hurt anyone, kill anyone or lose us any money.he also did masses of work for local charities, most notably the DLT and these are all the reasons why so many in the media (whether they like his football or not) respect him and to think that they have more respect for him that some of the fans of the club he clawed out of the ashes do is an absolute disgrace and says far more about their own pathetic personal agendas and their own petty mindedness and lack of perspective than it says about Pulis! he could spend his time in the media slagging off the club for not trusting him on the players he wanted in January, for basically ousting him from the transfer setup and being made to feel like they didn't trust him and were slowly pushing him out but he hasn't...he's handled himself (in terms of when he talks about us) with dignity, class and very respectfully, it's about time some on here started doing the same! Excellent post matey(and a honourable mention to cheeesfreeex's post also.) I also agree that it was time for a change of manager but it doesn't diminish his achievements at Stoke nor lessen the superb times I had during his leadership.Yes,he's gone and we have a new man in charge,(who has my 100% support)but cannot see any harm in threads being posted about TP,for or against. |
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Jan 7, 2014 17:26:49 GMT
cheeesfreeex I'm just picking on the paragraph below; "It's true that the football was fairly shocking for the first couple of months of last year, but for me the rot stopped once we snubbed out Lukaku vs West Brom at The Brit. The spirit {and Wilson, and Huth, and N'Zonzi, and Crouch, and Adam, and Jerome} were back. We were unlucky vs Newcastle and Everton {both away} and even the Villa match we were on the front foot but unpicked by two quick counter attacks. The performances at the end of the season were no where near as bad as some folk make out. Imo." We won 3 games in the second half of last season and one of them was lucky (vs Reading, they should have had a last minute penalty). We were truly dreadful and Adam and Jerome didn't really come back into the team until the back of the season. Against Villa we were utterly hopeless and deserved that beating. It was terrible. I know it's iyo, I just disagree with it massively! First time I've been 'tagged'- I thought you were offering me out for a wrestle. I don't want to counter your counter claims, it'll just get circuitous. Let's just agree to disagree. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 7, 2014 17:29:44 GMT
cheeesfreeex I'm just picking on the paragraph below; "It's true that the football was fairly shocking for the first couple of months of last year, but for me the rot stopped once we snubbed out Lukaku vs West Brom at The Brit. The spirit {and Wilson, and Huth, and N'Zonzi, and Crouch, and Adam, and Jerome} were back. We were unlucky vs Newcastle and Everton {both away} and even the Villa match we were on the front foot but unpicked by two quick counter attacks. The performances at the end of the season were no where near as bad as some folk make out. Imo." We won 3 games in the second half of last season and one of them was lucky (vs Reading, they should have had a last minute penalty). We were truly dreadful and Adam and Jerome didn't really come back into the team until the back of the season. Against Villa we were utterly hopeless and deserved that beating. It was terrible. I know it's iyo, I just disagree with it massively! First time I've been 'tagged'- I thought you were offering me out for a wrestle. I don't want to counter your counter claims, it'll just get circuitous. Let's just agree to disagree. That's no fun. It was easier to tag than quote the post when it was just that paragraph I took umbrage with. |
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