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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2014 22:19:59 GMT
Classic Little Englanders, their country builds an empire and huge prosperity as a result of taking by force the resources of places like India and West Africa, then complain when some people from there turn up to do the lowest-paid jobs in their country! I have no issues with people coming here to work and pay into the system before they are allowed to draw out. There was a report out before Christmas which basically said that in total 614 people had come to this country and then claimed benefits straight away, economic migrants if you like. That's 614 EVER. Daily Mail racist agenda strikes again, just designed to make you blame foreigners instead of those that actually run the country.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2014 22:26:29 GMT
I have no issues with people coming here to work and pay into the system before they are allowed to draw out. There was a report out before Christmas which basically said that in total 614 people had come to this country and then claimed benefits straight away, economic migrants if you like. That's 614 EVER. Daily Mail racist agenda strikes again, just designed to make you blame foreigners instead of those that actually run the country. Does that figure include the 300000 that entered the UK unchecked by UK immigration or the estimated 1 million that have entered the UK Ilegally...?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2014 22:32:38 GMT
There was a report out before Christmas which basically said that in total 614 people had come to this country and then claimed benefits straight away, economic migrants if you like. That's 614 EVER. Daily Mail racist agenda strikes again, just designed to make you blame foreigners instead of those that actually run the country. Does that figure include the 300000 that entered the UK unchecked by UK immigration or the estimated 1 million that have entered the UK Ilegally...? I don't really want to get into a discussion with someone with a reputation for having such a towering intellect but you are simply quoting made up numbers, unchecked, sneaked in, invisible ...... Where are you getting your figures from and is Nick Griffin the editor?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2014 22:37:45 GMT
I wonder if the local councils in India or Pakistan would do the same for us....? What is their NHS like out there....? How much is their unemployment benefit...? Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven.
“Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
Had no idea the season of winter solstice celebrations had anything to do with the NHS in Pakistan or India. If that's the way you think though mumf, then that's up to you but you'll have to ask these questions of your friends in Africa instead as they will offer a more willing audience than I. Just don't include me with your generalisation for 'us'. Without checking where do you live by the way ?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2014 22:38:05 GMT
Does that figure include the 300000 that entered the UK unchecked by UK immigration or the estimated 1 million that have entered the UK Ilegally...? I don't really want to get into a discussion with someone with a reputation for having such a towering intellect but you are simply quoting made up numbers, unchecked, sneaked in, invisible ...... Where are you getting your figures from and is Nick Griffin the editor?[/quote I don't blame you , if that's the best you can offer...!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2014 22:41:09 GMT
Does that figure include the 300000 that entered the UK unchecked by UK immigration or the estimated 1 million that have entered the UK Ilegally...? I don't really want to get into a discussion with someone with a reputation for having such a towering intellect but you are simply quoting made up numbers, unchecked, sneaked in, invisible ...... Where are you getting your figures from and is Nick Griffin the editor? Seems to be common knowledge regarding the figures, the media in many forms appear to back this up obviously you have more knowledge than these sources.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jan 5, 2014 22:55:26 GMT
I have no issues with people coming here to work and pay into the system before they are allowed to draw out. There was a report out before Christmas which basically said that in total 614 people had come to this country and then claimed benefits straight away, economic migrants if you like. That's 614 EVER. Daily Mail racist agenda strikes again, just designed to make you blame foreigners instead of those that actually run the country. What report? There's this one; 1.2 million immigrants in social housingOne of many reports based on the official Government Census showing 4 million immigrants from 2001 to 2011. That's the 4 million who actually filled in the census form, not the other 10,000 or 100,000 or 2 million who didn't bother. 4 million over 10 years is 1,100 EVERY day, 365 days a year, EVERY year for ten years, give or take the odd leap year.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2014 23:02:00 GMT
There was a report out before Christmas which basically said that in total 614 people had come to this country and then claimed benefits straight away, economic migrants if you like. That's 614 EVER. Daily Mail racist agenda strikes again, just designed to make you blame foreigners instead of those that actually run the country. What report? There's this one; 1.2 million immigrants in social housingOne of many reports based on the official Government Census showing 4 million immigrants from 2001 to 2011. That's the 4 million who actually filled in the census form, not the other 10,000 or 100,000 or 2 million who didn't bother. 4 million over 10 years is 1,100 EVERY day, 365 days a year, EVERY year for ten years, give or take the odd leap year. The more the merrier as far as I'm concerned. Looking at some of the posts on this thread, we are in need of as many new genes in our gene pool as possible. May be then it would be possible for someone to actually read what I posted......And understand it.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jan 5, 2014 23:12:57 GMT
Actually one should look at the "net" migration figures for a slightly different view; Net migration increasesOr; Office of National Statistics - August 2013The figures are obviously lower than just 'immigration' figures for the same years but the argument has always been that the majority of migrating British citizens in any give period are retirees (who weren't a drain on the countries resources) being replaced by younger job seeking immigrants who have the the EU right to social and housing benefits.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jan 5, 2014 23:32:40 GMT
What report? There's this one; 1.2 million immigrants in social housingOne of many reports based on the official Government Census showing 4 million immigrants from 2001 to 2011. That's the 4 million who actually filled in the census form, not the other 10,000 or 100,000 or 2 million who didn't bother. 4 million over 10 years is 1,100 EVERY day, 365 days a year, EVERY year for ten years, give or take the odd leap year. The more the merrier as far as I'm concerned. Looking at some of the posts on this thread, we are in need of as many new genes in our gene pool as possible. May be then it would be possible for someone to actually read what I posted......And understand it. You posted yesterday about certain posters tip-toeing around issues and tonight about 614 "EVER" people coming to Britain and claiming benefits. What is it exactly that you think we should be reading and understanding ?? Anyway, what was that report before Christmas you were talking about??????
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Post by skip on Jan 5, 2014 23:46:18 GMT
Winterval happened one year in Birmingham. The same year that Birmingham City Council put up a fucking great big Christmas tree in the town hall square with Happy Christmas written in big fucking letters. Christmas has never been censored. Utter piffle to claim otherwise, unless you're a paranoid right wing loon.
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Post by frankboughsbutplug on Jan 6, 2014 2:32:04 GMT
What report? There's this one; 1.2 million immigrants in social housingOne of many reports based on the official Government Census showing 4 million immigrants from 2001 to 2011. That's the 4 million who actually filled in the census form, not the other 10,000 or 100,000 or 2 million who didn't bother. 4 million over 10 years is 1,100 EVERY day, 365 days a year, EVERY year for ten years, give or take the odd leap year. The more the merrier as far as I'm concerned. Looking at some of the posts on this thread, we are in need of as many new genes in our gene pool as possible. May be then it would be possible for someone to actually read what I posted......And understand it. You Sir, you are an absolute tube. A total weapon. I suppose you think the Human Rights law that Cherie B'liar had the monopoly on is fantastic for this country.I suppose you think that Tony B'liar is for the working people.I guess you still think that Tony B'liar and his comrades weren't the most corrupt bunch of lying hypocritical cunts we have ever had in power in the hitory of british governments.Get a grip you cunt.Wake up and smell the coffee.We are being swamped by people who do not want to pay a bean into the system,but they want it all,and they want it all for fuck all.You lefties dont like being told the truth,and you hate the fact that other people can see what really happened with B'liars government, begging for migrants to come over so they would vote Labour in power forever.A massive expensive experiment that has gone totally tits up.I hope a boat load of romanians turn up in your street to camp out for a couple of years and see how multi-culti you are then.The last I heard of Tony and Cherie B'liar, they were on a yacht in St.Tropez.......working class heroes haha. This is all I've got to say on this issue,because there is no more to add.I've told no lies.Happy new year
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2014 4:32:59 GMT
Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven.
“Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
Had no idea the season of winter solstice celebrations had anything to do with the NHS in Pakistan or India. If that's the way you think though mumf, then that's up to you but you'll have to ask these questions of your friends in Africa instead as they will offer a more willing audience than I. Just don't include me with your generalisation for 'us'. Without checking where do you live by the way ? Why would that matter?
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Post by minty1964 on Jan 6, 2014 6:31:36 GMT
Please please Admin put this thread in the something else threads,,,, someone has started a whirlwind which seems now to have snowballed into a political debate....it's not foe a football forum and any outside viewer will be reading this will be wondering what we are all about....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2014 8:13:15 GMT
Without checking where do you live by the way ? Why would that matter? Because if you do not reside here how would you know what is going on in reality, for instance I would not be so presumptuous as to visit let's say an American forum and comment on immigration in that country.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2014 8:16:30 GMT
What report? There's this one; 1.2 million immigrants in social housingOne of many reports based on the official Government Census showing 4 million immigrants from 2001 to 2011. That's the 4 million who actually filled in the census form, not the other 10,000 or 100,000 or 2 million who didn't bother. 4 million over 10 years is 1,100 EVERY day, 365 days a year, EVERY year for ten years, give or take the odd leap year. The more the merrier as far as I'm concerned. Looking at some of the posts on this thread, we are in need of as many new genes in our gene pool as possible. May be then it would be possible for someone to actually read what I posted......And understand it. What a weapon .
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2014 10:06:14 GMT
Because if you do not reside here how would you know what is going on in reality, for instance I would not be so presumptuous as to visit let's say an American forum and comment on immigration in that country. So...without giving you ANY reason at all to suggest that i dont live in UK, and without me even getting in to immigration at all, in fact, specifically saying that im not going to get involved in that, you see fit to question where im from? As far as im aware,id only corrected mumf on his 'fact' regarding Leicester banning Christmas. Slap your forehead for yourself there fella!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2014 11:01:16 GMT
Because if you do not reside here how would you know what is going on in reality, for instance I would not be so presumptuous as to visit let's say an American forum and comment on immigration in that country. So...without giving you ANY reason at all to suggest that i dont live in UK, and without me even getting in to immigration at all, in fact, specifically saying that im not going to get involved in that, you see fit to question where im from? As far as im aware,id only corrected mumf on his 'fact' regarding Leicester banning Christmas. Slap your forehead for yourself there fella! So you live in the UK do you.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2014 11:53:59 GMT
So...without giving you ANY reason at all to suggest that i dont live in UK, and without me even getting in to immigration at all, in fact, specifically saying that im not going to get involved in that, you see fit to question where im from? As far as im aware,id only corrected mumf on his 'fact' regarding Leicester banning Christmas. Slap your forehead for yourself there fella! So you live in the UK do you. Have you even got a point that you'd like to make based on what i actually said or what because so far questions and reasoning are completely irrelevant
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2014 12:47:05 GMT
So you live in the UK do you. Have you even got a point that you'd like to make based on what i actually said or what because so far questions and reasoning are completely irrelevant[/quote Irrelevant like your points of view on this subject in the UK you mean.
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Post by peadar87 on Jan 6, 2014 13:33:05 GMT
Classic Little Englanders, their country builds an empire and huge prosperity as a result of taking by force the resources of places like India and West Africa, then complain when some people from there turn up to do the lowest-paid jobs in their country! I have no issues with people coming here to work and pay into the system before they are allowed to draw out. As the vast majority of first-generation immigrants do. They don't just let any randomer move over to the UK, give them a council house and start throwing money at them!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2014 13:48:26 GMT
Have you even got a point that you'd like to make based on what i actually said or what because so far questions and reasoning are completely irrelevant Irrelevant like your points of view on this subject in the UK you mean. Are you sure you're quoting the right person here, coz as far as I'm aware, I've not made any for you to find irrelefuckingant in the first place! So, come on then...which points do you specifically disagree with?
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Post by skip on Jan 6, 2014 13:49:58 GMT
The more the merrier as far as I'm concerned. Looking at some of the posts on this thread, we are in need of as many new genes in our gene pool as possible. May be then it would be possible for someone to actually read what I posted......And understand it. You Sir, you are an absolute tube. A total weapon. I suppose you think the Human Rights law that Cherie B'liar had the monopoly on is fantastic for this country.I suppose you think that Tony B'liar is for the working people.I guess you still think that Tony B'liar and his comrades weren't the most corrupt bunch of lying hypocritical cunts we have ever had in power in the hitory of british governments.Get a grip you cunt.Wake up and smell the coffee.We are being swamped by people who do not want to pay a bean into the system,but they want it all,and they want it all for fuck all.You lefties dont like being told the truth,and you hate the fact that other people can see what really happened with B'liars government, begging for migrants to come over so they would vote Labour in power forever.A massive expensive experiment that has gone totally tits up.I hope a boat load of romanians turn up in your street to camp out for a couple of years and see how multi-culti you are then.The last I heard of Tony and Cherie B'liar, they were on a yacht in St.Tropez.......working class heroes haha. This is all I've got to say on this issue,because there is no more to add.I've told no lies.Happy new year Tony Blair and his ilk were about as left wing as Super Johnny Walters. The only Economic Progressive Socialist amongst them was Gordon Brown and they torched his career and reputation to make damn certain his legacy was damned for eternity. New Labour however, in its defence was at least an attempt to wrestle control back from the Neo Liberal Right from ("there is no such thing as society") Thatcher and her shrivel sacked cronies. Labour (like, a real left of centre Labour Party) was never going to get back in. That's why Blair went for a laissez faire approach to finance ("I have no problems with millionaires") as a means of paying for a Social Democracy. The fact that the City pissed their pants with laughter and filled their boots is a problem that we are all now having to suffer the consequences of. If you're talking about people on the take but don't want to give, go and have a look of the accounts of Phillip Green/TopShop et all and ask yourself why the British banks, now publicly owned, haven't paid back on fucking bean out of billions. On that score, I know personally one pretty high ranking City finance analyst who thinks that Bank of Scotland should have been allowed to fail if the government were ever going to show the City and Banking sector who's boss. But they didn't have the balls to do so. This has very little to do with race and immigration... other than everything is to do with economics.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2014 14:18:39 GMT
I have no issues with people coming here to work and pay into the system before they are allowed to draw out. As the vast majority of first-generation immigrants do. They don't just let any randomer move over to the UK, give them a council house and start throwing money at them! Is that a fact, any evidence.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Jan 6, 2014 14:22:31 GMT
I have no issues with people coming here to work and pay into the system before they are allowed to draw out. As the vast majority of first-generation immigrants do. They don't just let any randomer move over to the UK, give them a council house and start throwing money at them! Sorry but you are wrong. I know at least 4 families that have done exactly that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2014 15:40:01 GMT
I have no issues with people coming here to work and pay into the system before they are allowed to draw out. As the vast majority of first-generation immigrants do. They don't just let any randomer move over to the UK, give them a council house and start throwing money at them! I wonder how these immigrants/randomers manage to pay their rent for the social housing we don't provide when they are not working when they arrive in the UK, I have worked in the welfare to work sector and I can guarantee you it is going on.
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 6, 2014 21:54:22 GMT
There was a report out before Christmas which basically said that in total 614 people had come to this country and then claimed benefits straight away, economic migrants if you like. That's 614 EVER. Daily Mail racist agenda strikes again, just designed to make you blame foreigners instead of those that actually run the country. What report? There's this one; 1.2 million immigrants in social housingOne of many reports based on the official Government Census showing 4 million immigrants from 2001 to 2011. That's the 4 million who actually filled in the census form, not the other 10,000 or 100,000 or 2 million who didn't bother. 4 million over 10 years is 1,100 EVERY day, 365 days a year, EVERY year for ten years, give or take the odd leap year. Your link takes you to a Telegraph story that basically reports an earlier Mail story. Fortunately someone had a closer look at the Mail article ( here) and guess what - it found the Mail, as usual, to be misrepresenting data. Suggest anyone reading the Mail - or any thing related to it - has a listen to this Billy Bragg song from back in '84. Relevant then, equally so today.
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 6, 2014 22:45:58 GMT
In all honesty...and in all seriousness....I find it quite staggering how incredibly naive some people are...how desperate they are to prove how racist those of us who wish to protest against the 1 million illegals residing in this countryI'm a racist a bigot....Even though I've never once attempted to gain entry into Pakistan or Iraq and claim social security... There is some very fucking stupid idiotic thick bastuurds in this country.....thick beyond fucking belief. The logic they use similar to that of the 'Peppa PIg' channel... I would rather eat my own turds than associate myself with the pathetic links some put up on here....I have two black labs with more pigging brains... Goodnight. In all honesty and seriousness - I find it quite staggering that people feel the need to write in very large font to make a point. Illegal immigration is serious and needs addressing - but it also needs handling separately from immigration generally. Something the revolting Mail won't do. What was the last line in that Billy Bragg song. Oh yes; "When you wake up to the fact That your paper is tory Just remember, there are two sides to every story" And that applies in both directions; left or right. Something Saint Billy never really bothered much with - although he did know what colour his fans tended to be.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2014 22:53:15 GMT
1 million illegals.."
Not sure how many genes that involves....
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jan 7, 2014 1:22:11 GMT
When I was at school (a long time ago ), we had a black kid in the class, and he was called "Blackie". He took no offence, as I wouldn't to b e called "Whitey" It was never meant to be offensive. I suppose that is the difference - how the use of the word is intended. Well I guess he didn't really have much choice did he? My ex was black. Actually, she still is! Anyway she was one of five daughters and they called her blackie because she was the darkest. I thought it was funny and she does, now, but didn't at the time!
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