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Post by boothenpaddock86 on Jan 5, 2014 13:54:46 GMT
Ok, ok. On goals on Sunday they had john Carew and John barns. Carew said when he was young barns was one of 2 chocolate players he looked up to. The other was pele. What would have been said if a white person had said it? I am not saying it is wrong just that things are looked at differently depending on who said it even if it is said in the same context. It is things like this that make me think it goes too far. Has nobody got any thoughts on this then? I am surprised. in Brazil they have over 28 different ways of describing skin color including chocolate.so i dont think its a racist or derogatory way of describing someone.
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Post by skip on Jan 5, 2014 13:59:47 GMT
but when chocolate is used as a blanket pejorative to casually dismiss a whole nation or type of people from the outside...
s'context and intent innit.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Jan 5, 2014 14:00:07 GMT
Has nobody got any thoughts on this then? I am surprised. in Brazil they have over 28 different ways of describing skin color including chocolate.so i dont think its a racist or derogatory way of describing someone. John Carew is not Brazilian and neither is John Barnes? So it would be OK for a white person to describe them in this way? In America they have many ways of describing people including N#####. Is this not racist or derogatory way of describing someone? Sorry mate but I don't see that as correct.
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Post by boothenpaddock86 on Jan 5, 2014 14:02:01 GMT
but when chocolate is used as a blanket pejorative to casually dismiss a whole nation or type of people from the outside... s'context and intent innit. carew was not using it in that way obviously
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Post by oatcakesteve on Jan 5, 2014 14:02:11 GMT
Racism is not acceptable in this day and age. The knuckle draggers need to realise this. Something we don't need. Retards. Correct racism is not acceptable from any ethnicity towards another, but is it acceptable to label individuals you do not know retards I don't see why not, they can't be all there.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Jan 5, 2014 14:02:19 GMT
What about Hot Chocolate? I used to love them even though they were erm .....
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Post by mermaidsal on Jan 5, 2014 14:03:12 GMT
Sheffield now has a short ban btw
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Jan 5, 2014 14:06:17 GMT
Sheffield now has a short ban btw Fully deserved to be fair. He must of been beered up. I think these threads are good and it is a shame the get binned etc. People have differing views on the subject and it is good to see others opinion. They sometimes make others see things in a different light.
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Post by boothenpaddock86 on Jan 5, 2014 14:10:09 GMT
in Brazil they have over 28 different ways of describing skin color including chocolate.so i dont think its a racist or derogatory way of describing someone. John Carew is not Brazilian and neither is John Barnes? So it would be OK for a white person to describe them in this way? In America they have many ways of describing people including N#####. Is this not racist or derogatory way of describing someone? Sorry mate but I don't see that as correct. Brazil has been mixing races for over 200yrs they dont use the terms for skin color in a derogatory way(maybe with the possible exemption of negra) if you are trying to describe someone its not racist. dont really see your point about them not being Brazilian
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Post by metalhead on Jan 5, 2014 14:13:44 GMT
Sheffield now has a short ban btw Fully deserved to be fair. He must of been beered up. I think these threads are good and it is a shame the get binned etc. People have differing views on the subject and it is good to see others opinion. They sometimes make others see things in a different light. I don't think they should be binned but its stirring something that didn't really halen. Every team has the odd nugget who mouths off, but really, it's a ridiculously small minority. The last thing we should be doing is making them the centre of attention.
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Post by peadar87 on Jan 5, 2014 15:49:34 GMT
I have no idea how good John Carew's English is, so I'd give him a bit more leeway for using the term "chocolate". I'd do the same if it had been Del Piero or Phillip Lahm.
To be honest, I think very few people are genuinely racist, just plenty are thick as shit, and can't see why calling someone a "black bastard" or "paki cunt" might be more loaded than saying "Wigan's a shithole"
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Post by bathstoke on Jan 5, 2014 15:56:32 GMT
Rompindonkey. I agree. I know nothing like that should be said and id never say anything myself. It's totally wrong. But I agree if I went to play in Africa say, and I got booed, called whitey, chalky and had pieces of chalk chucked on the pitch id say 'yeh I'm bad' laugh, feel proud of who I am and carry on. Don't get me wrong im not trying to justify it and it should be stamped out, im just trying to think how id feel. The difference being, black people were persecuted for hundreds of ye ars, white people were not. Monkfish, have you never heard of the dark satanic mills & 0 hour contracts. It's all in the spirit of the ongoing Norman plan...
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 5, 2014 17:21:02 GMT
Sheffield now has a short ban btw Fully deserved to be fair. He must of been beered up. I think these threads are good and it is a shame the get binned etc. People have differing views on the subject and it is good to see others opinion. They sometimes make others see things in a different light. Agree 100%.
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Post by stokie85 on Jan 5, 2014 18:05:53 GMT
I heard it all, absolute joke. 'town full of pakis' is what I heard start of the second half. Now I know I lot of my mates who sit in block 19 week in week out who wouldn't dream of this but for some reason it always attracts the knobheads who only go because it's cheaper and I'm not slagging genuine stoke fans who can only afford the cup games as we all know times are tough around here and who'd be at every game if they could. I hate how people say only the true fans go cup games but I'm not going another home game in the cup now cause of these dicks giving our club a bad name.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2014 18:36:27 GMT
Correct racism is not acceptable from any ethnicity towards another, but is it acceptable to label individuals you do not know retards I don't see why not, they can't be all there. I suppose people with learning difficulties could be described by knuckle draggers as been retarded, if the cap fits and all that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2014 18:40:42 GMT
I heard it all, absolute joke. 'town full of pakis' is what I heard start of the second half. Now I know I lot of my mates who sit in block 19 week in week out who wouldn't dream of this but for some reason it always attracts the knobheads who only go because it's cheaper and I'm not slagging genuine stoke fans who can only afford the cup games as we all know times are tough around here and who'd be at every game if they could. I hate how people say only the true fans go cup games but I'm not going another home game in the cup now cause of these dicks giving our club a bad name. Oh dear how precious you are, if you had been going to games as long as I have you would have heard some really nasty songs directed at and by Stoke fans, some people on here need to get a life.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 5, 2014 19:31:59 GMT
I heard it all, absolute joke. 'town full of pakis' is what I heard start of the second half. Now I know I lot of my mates who sit in block 19 week in week out who wouldn't dream of this but for some reason it always attracts the knobheads who only go because it's cheaper and I'm not slagging genuine stoke fans who can only afford the cup games as we all know times are tough around here and who'd be at every game if they could. I hate how people say only the true fans go cup games but I'm not going another home game in the cup now cause of these dicks giving our club a bad name. Oh dear how precious you are, if you had been going to games as long as I have you would have heard some really nasty songs directed at and by Stoke fans, some people on here need to get a life. Ah that makes it alright then. Because you're a better supporter than stokie85 (you've been going longer than he has so you must be better)and because you've heard some 'really nasty songs' that's ok then. Debate over I'm afraid folks the Oracle has spoken.
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Post by oatcakesteve on Jan 5, 2014 20:21:46 GMT
I don't see why not, they can't be all there. I suppose people with learning difficulties could be described by knuckle draggers as been retarded, if the cap fits and all that. Ah, I see where this is going. You have your opinion, I have mine. I'll leave it there.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2014 21:25:01 GMT
Oh dear how precious you are, if you had been going to games as long as I have you would have heard some really nasty songs directed at and by Stoke fans, some people on here need to get a life. Ah that makes it alright then. Because you're a better supporter than stokie85 (you've been going longer than he has so you must be better)and because you've heard some 'really nasty songs' that's ok then. Debate over I'm afraid folks the Oracle has spoken. If you say so Oracle another precious little lamb are you , can you point out where I have stated that I believe I am a better supporter get a life soft lad, the real world it is full of naughty rough and nasty people who sometimes are not PC never mind Tarquin
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2014 21:27:12 GMT
I suppose people with learning difficulties could be described by knuckle draggers as been retarded, if the cap fits and all that. Ah, I see where this is going. You have your opinion, I have mine. I'll leave it there. retard
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2014 21:32:58 GMT
Yes it is that bad you moron. It is meant as an insult, so how do you think the Asian community in Leicester would react to it? Probably similar to the council workers from Leicester who I spoke to in Africa who were told that Happy Xmas was banned and that they were instructed to say happy winter holidays instead so as to not alienate the Pakistani community .... They said they were moving to Australia soon. I don,t fucking blame them. Mumf Leicester, like Birmingham previously, has not banned 'Happy Christmas' at all. It has similarly promoted a winter festival to include a multitude of religions' winter solstice celebrations. But fancy that eh...a bunch of English people in Africa talking about moving to another country complaining about England accommodating people from other countries...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2014 21:36:42 GMT
Probably similar to the council workers from Leicester who I spoke to in Africa who were told that Happy Xmas was banned and that they were instructed to say happy winter holidays instead so as to not alienate the Pakistani community .... They said they were moving to Australia soon. I don,t fucking blame them. Mumf Leicester, like Birmingham previously, has not banned 'Happy Christmas' at all. It has similarly promoted a winter festival to include a multitude of religions' winter solstice celebrations. But fancy that eh...a bunch of English people in Africa complaining about England accommodating people from other cultures... If they were holidaying in Africa rather than living there why would that come into the equation .
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2014 21:42:28 GMT
Probably similar to the council workers from Leicester who I spoke to in Africa who were told that Happy Xmas was banned and that they were instructed to say happy winter holidays instead so as to not alienate the Pakistani community .... They said they were moving to Australia soon. I don,t fucking blame them. Mumf Leicester, like Birmingham previously, has not banned 'Happy Christmas' at all. It has similarly promoted a winter festival to include a multitude of religions' winter solstice celebrations. But fancy that eh...a bunch of English people in Africa complaining about England accommodating people from other cultures... I wonder if the local councils in India or Pakistan would do the same for us....? What is their NHS like out there....? How much is their unemployment benefit...?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2014 21:48:02 GMT
Leicester, like Birmingham previously, has not banned 'Happy Christmas' at all. It has similarly promoted a winter festival to include a multitude of religions' winter solstice celebrations. But fancy that eh...a bunch of English people in Africa complaining about England accommodating people from other cultures... I wonder if the local councils in India or Pakistan would do the same for us....? What is their NHS like out there....? How much is their unemployment benefit...? If we were living in either of these countries the answers would quite likely be: No chance. Crap or no chance of treatment without payment. Non existent unless you had paid into the system. Thinking about it perhaps this is why these people come from these countries and others , you know you may be onto something there
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Post by oatcakesteve on Jan 5, 2014 21:52:14 GMT
Ah, I see where this is going. You have your opinion, I have mine. I'll leave it there. retard You are just a WUM mate, looking for attention. Pretty sad.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Jan 5, 2014 21:52:44 GMT
There really are some attention seeking fantasists on here. I was in the middle of the Boothen end yesterday and for 90% of the time you could here a pin drop, the loudest noise was sweet wrappers rustling and someone farting near the top of the corner. There was the odd "oh when the reds" (not even racist to red Indians) chant, the odd "goaaarrrn Stoke" chant a Kenwynne is a Stokie chant and a Delilah. Gouranga.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2014 21:56:09 GMT
Leicester, like Birmingham previously, has not banned 'Happy Christmas' at all. It has similarly promoted a winter festival to include a multitude of religions' winter solstice celebrations. But fancy that eh...a bunch of English people in Africa complaining about England accommodating people from other cultures... I wonder if the local councils in India or Pakistan would do the same for us....? What is their NHS like out there....? How much is their unemployment benefit...? Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven.
“Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
Had no idea the season of winter solstice celebrations had anything to do with the NHS in Pakistan or India. If that's the way you think though mumf, then that's up to you but you'll have to ask these questions of your friends in Africa instead as they will offer a more willing audience than I. Just don't include me with your generalisation for 'us'.
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Post by peadar87 on Jan 5, 2014 22:08:56 GMT
Classic Little Englanders, their country builds an empire and huge prosperity as a result of taking by force the resources of places like India and West Africa, then complain when some people from there turn up to do the lowest-paid jobs in their country!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2014 22:13:04 GMT
Classic Little Englanders, their country builds an empire and huge prosperity as a result of taking by force the resources of places like India and West Africa, then complain when some people from there turn up to do the lowest-paid jobs in their country! I have no issues with people coming here to work and pay into the system before they are allowed to draw out.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2014 22:15:30 GMT
retard You are just a WUM mate, looking for attention. Pretty sad. Is that a fact , or just your opinion again.
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