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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Sept 3, 2013 11:13:13 GMT
remarkable job- your having a laugh! we have boughtmainly garbage that no other premier league teams who have mid table pretenssions would touch with a bargepole! pennant- no prem games for 12 months was agrbage at wolves assaidi- could even get a game for a very poor liverpool outfit last season-4 europa league games- he was linked to the championship not any other prem team. One decent tackle on him early doors and you wont see him again! marco - he obviously has major issues and is a gamble- clearly has talent but the special one called him ' a child' does not bode well but he fits the coates mantra- e was cheap ireland- what a joke the only other club seriously interested were middlesbrough- hes hardly played in 12 months its laughable to suggest he can improve the team- who would you want on the beanch- ireland or jerome!!!!!!!!!!!! muniesa-has played one senior game in 4 years suffererd a career threatening knee injury- again he was cheap and looking at him against walsall he clearly is not up to the prem peters- may be ok but was woeful v liverpool and his crosssing on saturday was abysmal- jury out to suggest we have had a good window is ludicrous- goal scoring was a priority and we have not addressed that at all-in fact having lost jerome we are weaker up front and to suggest marko is a forward is a joke coates has reined it in as the club has served its purpose- for him and bet 365-- This Pennant being the one who curled in a winner at Upton Park? Pieters had a bad start at Anfield then moved more and more into the game, and against West Ham he was great. Muniesa needs game time and didn't Demba Ba have a career threatening knee injury? Have you ever seen Assaidi play? Coates has poured millions into this club, and to suggest he did so to increase his bank balance at bet 365 is nothing short of ridiculous, given that most of the money came into the club from that company.
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Post by foster on Sept 3, 2013 11:17:37 GMT
remarkable job- your having a laugh! we have boughtmainly garbage that no other premier league teams who have mid table pretenssions would touch with a bargepole! pennant- no prem games for 12 months was agrbage at wolves assaidi- could even get a game for a very poor liverpool outfit last season-4 europa league games- he was linked to the championship not any other prem team. One decent tackle on him early doors and you wont see him again! marco - he obviously has major issues and is a gamble- clearly has talent but the special one called him ' a child' does not bode well but he fits the coates mantra- e was cheap ireland- what a joke the only other club seriously interested were middlesbrough- hes hardly played in 12 months its laughable to suggest he can improve the team- who would you want on the beanch- ireland or jerome!!!!!!!!!!!! muniesa-has played one senior game in 4 years suffererd a career threatening knee injury- again he was cheap and looking at him against walsall he clearly is not up to the prem peters- may be ok but was woeful v liverpool and his crosssing on saturday was abysmal- jury out to suggest we have had a good window is ludicrous- goal scoring was a priority and we have not addressed that at all-in fact having lost jerome we are weaker up front and to suggest marko is a forward is a joke coates has reined it in as the club has served its purpose- for him and bet 365-- Take it you're not overly pleased with the transfer window then?
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Post by ohbottom on Sept 3, 2013 11:28:19 GMT
remarkable job- your having a laugh! we have boughtmainly garbage that no other premier league teams who have mid table pretenssions would touch with a bargepole! pennant- no prem games for 12 months was agrbage at wolves assaidi- could even get a game for a very poor liverpool outfit last season-4 europa league games- he was linked to the championship not any other prem team. One decent tackle on him early doors and you wont see him again! marco - he obviously has major issues and is a gamble- clearly has talent but the special one called him ' a child' does not bode well but he fits the coates mantra- e was cheap ireland- what a joke the only other club seriously interested were middlesbrough- hes hardly played in 12 months its laughable to suggest he can improve the team- who would you want on the beanch- ireland or jerome!!!!!!!!!!!! muniesa-has played one senior game in 4 years suffererd a career threatening knee injury- again he was cheap and looking at him against walsall he clearly is not up to the prem peters- may be ok but was woeful v liverpool and his crosssing on saturday was abysmal- jury out to suggest we have had a good window is ludicrous- goal scoring was a priority and we have not addressed that at all-in fact having lost jerome we are weaker up front and to suggest marko is a forward is a joke coates has reined it in as the club has served its purpose- for him and bet 365-- That's the spirit!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2013 11:30:38 GMT
Extra £71million in TV money, only £5million spent on players. Answers on a postcard to Stoke City c/o Peter Coates's arse pocket. Is there not another window this Season?
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Post by torquaypotter on Sept 3, 2013 11:33:21 GMT
So people were moaning about over spending, now we are spending sensible people are moaning?! You couldn't make it up. SOOOOOOOOOOOo true stokeydom89 last year it was HOW much this year we will have to see how wisely we have spent the money .After the first remark " arsepocket " I feel that's a little unfair saying the amount the chairman as laid out in the last 2 years
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Post by Kjones9 on Sept 3, 2013 11:35:04 GMT
However it's dressed up, as far as I know only Newcastle UTD have spent less than Stoke in this window. Yes, that's the Newcastle UTD that everyone is laughing at. It really does look like the plug has been pulled on spending, which is more than frustrating. With a good forward on top of what we've got, we'd be looking like genuine top 10 challengers. As it is I'm not sure we are. When you pull out of a deal for Peter Odemwingie because the price has gone too high, then alarm bells should be ringing. People are laughing at them because they didn't sign anyone, not because they spent no money. I think most people who know anything about football transfers would say that we've done exceptionally well from a financial perspective. Would spending 20m on Carlton Cole make you feel better. I'm liking the cut of your jib today.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2013 11:35:53 GMT
Pulis has gone so now Max turns his wind ups to PC..........boring
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Sept 3, 2013 11:41:01 GMT
Pulis has gone so now Max turns his wind ups to PC..........boring It's alright, he once said Jamie O'Hara would be a good signing!
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Post by ianstokie on Sept 3, 2013 18:42:17 GMT
Am I missing something here?
I thought cash was offered for 2 strikers this window (£10m)?
So, money is available for transfers if they will come. The obvious bars are the perceived glamour of the city and the wage cap.
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Post by biganddaft on Sept 3, 2013 18:49:34 GMT
Spending every penny you receive does not equate to success, it's just a slippery slope to disaster for a club our size.
A great window in real terms, is yet again not enough for the doom and gloom merchants on here! I despair......
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 3, 2013 18:49:54 GMT
Pulis has gone so now Max turns his wind ups to PC..........boring It's alright, he once said Jamie O'Hara would be a good signing! So did a great many people on here mate.
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Post by kitkatkev on Sept 3, 2013 18:50:50 GMT
Sunderland made 100k in this window Newcastle made one loan deal you think Stoke are in bother
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Post by NG4POTTERS on Sept 3, 2013 18:51:35 GMT
remarkable job- your having a laugh! we have boughtmainly garbage that no other premier league teams who have mid table pretenssions would touch with a bargepole! pennant- no prem games for 12 months was agrbage at wolves assaidi- could even get a game for a very poor liverpool outfit last season-4 europa league games- he was linked to the championship not any other prem team. One decent tackle on him early doors and you wont see him again! marco - he obviously has major issues and is a gamble- clearly has talent but the special one called him ' a child' does not bode well but he fits the coates mantra- e was cheap ireland- what a joke the only other club seriously interested were middlesbrough- hes hardly played in 12 months its laughable to suggest he can improve the team- who would you want on the beanch- ireland or jerome!!!!!!!!!!!! muniesa-has played one senior game in 4 years suffererd a career threatening knee injury- again he was cheap and looking at him against walsall he clearly is not up to the prem peters- may be ok but was woeful v liverpool and his crosssing on saturday was abysmal- jury out to suggest we have had a good window is ludicrous- goal scoring was a priority and we have not addressed that at all-in fact having lost jerome we are weaker up front and to suggest marko is a forward is a joke coates has reined it in as the club has served its purpose- for him and bet 365-- That's one way of looking at it
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Post by Olgrligm on Sept 3, 2013 19:31:04 GMT
Can anybody explain how we suddenly went from relatively small losses year on year to a full £30,000,000 last season?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 3, 2013 19:43:48 GMT
Can anybody explain how we suddenly went from relatively small losses year on year to a full £30,000,000 last season? 'Something to do with the annual amortisations of certain players' contracts coming together in a "perfect storm" - should think' said Lakeland Potter knowingly!
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Post by LDE76 on Sept 3, 2013 19:57:57 GMT
remarkable job- your having a laugh! we have boughtmainly garbage that no other premier league teams who have mid table pretenssions would touch with a bargepole! pennant- no prem games for 12 months was agrbage at wolves assaidi- could even get a game for a very poor liverpool outfit last season-4 europa league games- he was linked to the championship not any other prem team. One decent tackle on him early doors and you wont see him again! marco - he obviously has major issues and is a gamble- clearly has talent but the special one called him ' a child' does not bode well but he fits the coates mantra- e was cheap ireland- what a joke the only other club seriously interested were middlesbrough- hes hardly played in 12 months its laughable to suggest he can improve the team- who would you want on the beanch- ireland or jerome!!!!!!!!!!!! muniesa-has played one senior game in 4 years suffererd a career threatening knee injury- again he was cheap and looking at him against walsall he clearly is not up to the prem peters- may be ok but was woeful v liverpool and his crosssing on saturday was abysmal- jury out to suggest we have had a good window is ludicrous- goal scoring was a priority and we have not addressed that at all-in fact having lost jerome we are weaker up front and to suggest marko is a forward is a joke coates has reined it in as the club has served its purpose- for him and bet 365-- That's one way of looking at it Yeah. The forehead-slappingly, cap-with-helicopter-blades-wearingly bell-ended one.
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 3, 2013 20:01:55 GMT
Can anybody explain how we suddenly went from relatively small losses year on year to a full £30,000,000 last season? How convenient and a ready made excuse.
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Post by woodin43 on Sept 3, 2013 20:05:20 GMT
RootsreggaeNG4...learn to spell and maybe then I'll listen to what you've got to say.
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Post by swampmongrel on Sept 3, 2013 20:05:45 GMT
Can anybody explain how we suddenly went from relatively small losses year on year to a full £30,000,000 last season? Somebody posted here that the £30m figure came from Bet365 accounts rather than SCFC accounts. Basically, the club accounts are published seperately from Bet365. We won't see the SCFC accounts published until next spring. Bet 365 extends interest free loans to SCFC to cover operating losses. I think this £30m relates to loans that were extended in previous seasons. The theory is that Bet 365 chose this financial year to 'write off' a chunk of the overall losses because it was tax efficient to do so in a year where they made record profits. I'm not 100% sure this is correct but it seems the most plausible explanation.
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Post by drfootball on Sept 3, 2013 20:16:17 GMT
remarkable job- your having a laugh! we have boughtmainly garbage that no other premier league teams who have mid table pretenssions would touch with a bargepole! pennant- no prem games for 12 months was agrbage at wolves assaidi- could even get a game for a very poor liverpool outfit last season-4 europa league games- he was linked to the championship not any other prem team. One decent tackle on him early doors and you wont see him again! marco - he obviously has major issues and is a gamble- clearly has talent but the special one called him ' a child' does not bode well but he fits the coates mantra- e was cheap ireland- what a joke the only other club seriously interested were middlesbrough- hes hardly played in 12 months its laughable to suggest he can improve the team- who would you want on the beanch- ireland or jerome!!!!!!!!!!!! muniesa-has played one senior game in 4 years suffererd a career threatening knee injury- again he was cheap and looking at him against walsall he clearly is not up to the prem peters- may be ok but was woeful v liverpool and his crosssing on saturday was abysmal- jury out to suggest we have had a good window is ludicrous- goal scoring was a priority and we have not addressed that at all-in fact having lost jerome we are weaker up front and to suggest marko is a forward is a joke coates has reined it in as the club has served its purpose- for him and bet 365-- Have you really considered whether Stoke City is for you? If you think the Coates family have to account to you how the club is run you`re a bigger twat than you sound,I suggest you fuck off up the Fail.
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Post by stokefaninde on Sept 3, 2013 20:16:37 GMT
Pieters: The prized genuine LB weve been moaning about for years.
Muniesa: Was at La Masia, had a 30 mil buyout clause bought on a free.. Looked great in the preseason.
Marko: Supremely talented. Atritude vut had for 2. Could bust bust could be massive.
Agudelo: Great potential, on the cheap.
Shea: one of the top prospects from the States in years. Bought in Jan for this year.
Assadai: Pace and talent on a loan.
Ireland: Back with Sparky on loan.
A quality striker was wanted but it didnt work out. We are sittong in 5th. What is the problem?
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Post by swampmongrel on Sept 3, 2013 20:22:16 GMT
Can anybody explain how we suddenly went from relatively small losses year on year to a full £30,000,000 last season? 'Something to do with the annual amortisations of certain players' contracts coming together in a "perfect storm" - should think' said Lakeland Potter knowingly! LP- What do you think of the theory I outlined above. It's not my theory but it seems believable. The £30m figure seemed too strange for a number of reasons: (i) it came from an interview with Denise 12 months before we'd expect to see the accounts, (ii) it didn't tally with the noises coming from PC about sustainabilty, (iii) there was nothing particularly remarkable about our spending in 2012/2013 to think that our losses would have increased so dramatically and (iv) 'amortising' player fees should 'smooth' out the accounts.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 3, 2013 22:36:41 GMT
'Something to do with the annual amortisations of certain players' contracts coming together in a "perfect storm" - should think' said Lakeland Potter knowingly! LP- What do you think of the theory I outlined above. It's not my theory but it seems believable. The £30m figure seemed too strange for a number of reasons: (i) it came from an interview with Denise 12 months before we'd expect to see the accounts, (ii) it didn't tally with the noises coming from PC about sustainabilty, (iii) there was nothing particularly remarkable about our spending in 2012/2013 to think that our losses would have increased so dramatically and (iv) 'amortising' player fees should 'smooth' out the accounts. I don't know enough about accounting to know it is true or not. I will be interested to see the club accounts for the same period when they are published, though. The loss will have to agree with the figure already published but it will be good to see any extra detail. We should be warned though, the club accounts have never been strong on detail.
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Post by Bombus on Sept 3, 2013 22:47:47 GMT
However it's dressed up, as far as I know only Newcastle UTD have spent less than Stoke in this window. Yes, that's the Newcastle UTD that everyone is laughing at. It really does look like the plug has been pulled on spending, which is more than frustrating. With a good forward on top of what we've got, we'd be looking like genuine top 10 challengers. As it is I'm not sure we are. When you pull out of a deal for Peter Odemwingie because the price has gone too high, then alarm bells should be ringing. People are laughing at them because they didn't sign anyone, not because they spent no money. I think most people who know anything about football transfers would say that we've done exceptionally well from a financial perspective. Would spending 20m on Carlton Cole make you feel better. This
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Post by salopstick on Sept 3, 2013 23:03:02 GMT
remarkable job- your having a laugh! we have boughtmainly garbage that no other premier league teams who have mid table pretenssions would touch with a bargepole! pennant- no prem games for 12 months was agrbage at wolves assaidi- could even get a game for a very poor liverpool outfit last season-4 europa league games- he was linked to the championship not any other prem team. One decent tackle on him early doors and you wont see him again! marco - he obviously has major issues and is a gamble- clearly has talent but the special one called him ' a child' does not bode well but he fits the coates mantra- e was cheap ireland- what a joke the only other club seriously interested were middlesbrough- hes hardly played in 12 months its laughable to suggest he can improve the team- who would you want on the beanch- ireland or jerome!!!!!!!!!!!! muniesa-has played one senior game in 4 years suffererd a career threatening knee injury- again he was cheap and looking at him against walsall he clearly is not up to the prem peters- may be ok but was woeful v liverpool and his crosssing on saturday was abysmal- jury out to suggest we have had a good window is ludicrous- goal scoring was a priority and we have not addressed that at all-in fact having lost jerome we are weaker up front and to suggest marko is a forward is a joke coates has reined it in as the club has served its purpose- for him and bet 365-- a glass half empty man then
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Post by lastoftheldk on Sept 3, 2013 23:28:21 GMT
A few facts: The increase in Sky money, due largely to a vast increase in overseas television monies, covers our debt, more or less. We are already around the wages limit, (f0r our income) bearing in mind the new FFP, which is now in operation. Clubs like the NE ones have twice our attendance and terrific sponsorship. We must be among the poorest in sponsor deals (stadium rights, shirts etc) and always have been. When we had the cost of the new academy, (£7M) then doubled it again, this year, to comply with the new rules on grade one status, that was just in building costs. Because we made that decision, with an eye on the future and self sustainment, it put a few millions on the wage bill for extra staff down there, an unbelievable number of highly qualified people re fitness, medicine, physios, as well as coaches, all separate from the staff fot the main squad. We rarely get any money back on transfers, as TP's was a policy 'for the moment', few youth and to pay high for ready-made players and therefore inevitably sell low. Many stayed (due to their high wages) rather than move elsewhere with lower pay but able to play regularly e.g. Soares, Tongue, Davies, Pullis junior, Pugh......... We still do have money to spend, as we are only at the start of the season It does not all come to us at the end of the season and we may have decided to hang on for the January window, when MH has had time to truly analyse his present squad's prospects. We have kept ST prices low and the fct that their number increased dramatically, though providing guaranteed cash, meant less money thenif more were paying on the day. Personally, while worried about our lack of firepower up front, I'm surprised and happy that we have retained our four best players. The Coates may have decided to sell, in the near future. Do the offspring want the responsibility that Dad so obviously enjoys and with his wrok for the game's wider interests? Don't think so. We can be grateful, yes, but they won't go broke, over SCFC. They not only own the stadium but the training complex as well! Max read this
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 3, 2013 23:34:10 GMT
Money was available however Hughes couldn't get the signing he wanted so rather than waste it on a Jerome or a Crouch he chose to wait until the next window.
It's perfectly simple really and it's called good management.
Pulis would have blown it all on a load of shite.
You need to look at the bigger picture rather than spout unfounded rubbish.
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Post by buddha74 on Sept 3, 2013 23:45:19 GMT
remarkable job- your having a laugh! we have boughtmainly garbage that no other premier league teams who have mid table pretenssions would touch with a bargepole! pennant- no prem games for 12 months was agrbage at wolves assaidi- could even get a game for a very poor liverpool outfit last season-4 europa league games- he was linked to the championship not any other prem team. One decent tackle on him early doors and you wont see him again! marco - he obviously has major issues and is a gamble- clearly has talent but the special one called him ' a child' does not bode well but he fits the coates mantra- e was cheap ireland- what a joke the only other club seriously interested were middlesbrough- hes hardly played in 12 months its laughable to suggest he can improve the team- who would you want on the beanch- ireland or jerome!!!!!!!!!!!! muniesa-has played one senior game in 4 years suffererd a career threatening knee injury- again he was cheap and looking at him against walsall he clearly is not up to the prem peters- may be ok but was woeful v liverpool and his crosssing on saturday was abysmal- jury out to suggest we have had a good window is ludicrous- goal scoring was a priority and we have not addressed that at all-in fact having lost jerome we are weaker up front and to suggest marko is a forward is a joke coates has reined it in as the club has served its purpose- for him and bet 365-- a glass half empty man then I would say a glass empty man lol
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2013 2:24:30 GMT
'Something to do with the annual amortisations of certain players' contracts coming together in a "perfect storm" - should think' said Lakeland Potter knowingly! LP- What do you think of the theory I outlined above. It's not my theory but it seems believable. The £30m figure seemed too strange for a number of reasons: (i) it came from an interview with Denise 12 months before we'd expect to see the accounts, (ii) it didn't tally with the noises coming from PC about sustainabilty, (iii) there was nothing particularly remarkable about our spending in 2012/2013 to think that our losses would have increased so dramatically and (iv) 'amortising' player fees should 'smooth' out the accounts. I'd need to see the original "article" from which Denise's quotes were taken. However, it is most likely that - you are right, Swampy - the £30m is the loss written off (charge taken) by B365. Actually, probably by the Group Parent company ... but I have lost all track of what is going on there. Some other things I have seen in the last 12-24 months make it possible there's been some shennanigans behind the scenes between B365, SCFC and "The Family Trust" (which was once, at least, the parent company). What with inter-company loans paying for player bonueses, signing on fees and wages themselves, it's pretty easy to imagine how a loss could be "built up" and then taken at a later date (by the company making "loans" or by the Group company itself). Whatever, you are correct, Swampy; the SCFC loss would not have been "officially" known at that date (although it could probably have been "readily guessed at" by those behind the scenes and Denise maybe pulling the age-old business trick of trailing some "bad news" yonks a head of its official announcement ... just to prepare the ground as it were (possibly hinting that there would be less cash sloshing around for SCFC in 2013/14? Or possibly not ...) Anyrode ... I doubt Pugs has lost so many of his brain cells that he's actually as hyped about this subject as he - and many others - are making out. If you see what I mean?
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Post by swampmongrel on Sept 4, 2013 7:43:41 GMT
LP- What do you think of the theory I outlined above. It's not my theory but it seems believable. The £30m figure seemed too strange for a number of reasons: (i) it came from an interview with Denise 12 months before we'd expect to see the accounts, (ii) it didn't tally with the noises coming from PC about sustainabilty, (iii) there was nothing particularly remarkable about our spending in 2012/2013 to think that our losses would have increased so dramatically and (iv) 'amortising' player fees should 'smooth' out the accounts. I'd need to see the original "article" from which Denise's quotes were taken. However, it is most likely that - you are right, Swampy - the £30m is the loss written off (charge taken) by B365. Actually, probably by the Group Parent company ... but I have lost all track of what is going on there. Some other things I have seen in the last 12-24 months make it possible there's been some shennanigans behind the scenes between B365, SCFC and "The Family Trust" (which was once, at least, the parent company). What with inter-company loans paying for player bonueses, signing on fees and wages themselves, it's pretty easy to imagine how a loss could be "built up" and then taken at a later date (by the company making "loans" or by the Group company itself). Whatever, you are correct, Swampy; the SCFC loss would not have been "officially" known at that date (although it could probably have been "readily guessed at" by those behind the scenes and Denise maybe pulling the age-old business trick of trailing some "bad news" yonks a head of its official announcement ... just to prepare the ground as it were (possibly hinting that there would be less cash sloshing around for SCFC in 2013/14? Or possibly not ...) Anyrode ... I doubt Pugs has lost so many of his brain cells that he's actually as hyped about this subject as he - and many others - are making out. If you see what I mean? Thanks. It's nice to read some informed opinion. Incidentally, the quotes were in the Guardian and the Sentinel. Probably other sources as well. I think you're probably right about the 'trailing' of the losses being slightly deliberate in order to dampen down expectations.
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