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Post by Pugsley on Sept 2, 2013 18:47:46 GMT
TP did what he did and nothing to do with this seasons transfers all clubs do spending look today. He paid the big money wasted or not; he spent the money on staying in the premier league for 5 years which brought big money in. Leave the bloke alone and look at the big picture for what he did. Hughes is our Manager, so stick with him, I'm sure he must be happy with what he's got as PC would give more - PC no fool. PC is no fool indeed. That honour is reserved for gullible Stoke supporters. |
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 2, 2013 18:51:23 GMT
Mmmm. I believe these particular accounts were 'audited' by the lads at Jackanory. The accounts stack up bear in mind the £6m prior year loss included revenues for the FA Cup Semi-final and Final as well as the Europa league and then throw in the full year impact of transfer spending. |
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Sept 2, 2013 18:54:59 GMT
Only one person to blame... Tony Pulis. Utter fucking jizz bollocks. You are clearly not up to speed with "the legacy" Sheiky! Or did you think the millions we were spending on players that had ten parts of fuck all resale value was a never ending and sustainable gift from the fairies that would never catch up with us? Perhaps its that twat Cartwright"s doing again?  |
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Post by christhepotter on Sept 2, 2013 18:55:01 GMT
maybe paying back some of the £86,000,000 coates has put into the club
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 2, 2013 18:55:59 GMT
Didn't we post a rather large loss last season? That was BET 365 writing off the cumulative debt from their investment in previous seasons and not the debt accrued in one season. Sorry mate but you're wrong, if bet 365 wrote off the debt it would be a profit for Stoke as they owe the money (net impact to bet 365 group would be zero as bet 365 make the loss on it). |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2013 19:03:57 GMT
That was BET 365 writing off the cumulative debt from their investment in previous seasons and not the debt accrued in one season. Sorry mate but you're wrong, if bet 365 wrote off the debt it would be a profit for Stoke as they owe the money (net impact to bet 365 group would be zero as bet 365 make the loss on it). It was BET 365s acounts that showed the loss by SCFC as 35 million not the Stoke accounts. There is absolutely no chance SCFC lost 35 million last season. |
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Sept 2, 2013 19:04:41 GMT
maybe paying back some of the £86,000,000 coates has put into the club Exactly. As I said; the fairys were never a bottomless pit. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 2, 2013 19:05:03 GMT
Utter fucking jizz bollocks. You are clearly not up to speed with "the legacy" Sheiky! Or did you think the millions we were spending on players that had ten parts of fuck all resale value was a never ending and sustainable gift from the fairies that would never catch up with us? Perhaps its that twat Cartwright"s doing again? Your buddy Carto, eh Mark. Stephen Fucking Ireland, just how does he find them Let's also talk resale value; Bego £15-20M Shawcross - £10-12M N'Zoni - £10-15M Huth - £6-7M There's £50 odd million quid's worth 'legacy' right there. All pre Cartwright 'nall. Things are loads better behind the scenes aren't they. |
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Post by pottersrule on Sept 2, 2013 19:11:36 GMT
A lot of gullible people on this board. Leopards rarely change their spots. A bit of an ironic post that is. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2013 19:15:37 GMT
New list and January maybe?
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 2, 2013 19:16:04 GMT
Sorry mate but you're wrong, if bet 365 wrote off the debt it would be a profit for Stoke as they owe the money (net impact to bet 365 group would be zero as bet 365 make the loss on it). It was BET 365s acounts that showed the loss by SCFC as 35 million not the Stoke accounts. There is absolutely no chance SCFC lost 35 million last season. Yes Bet 365 consolidated group accounts which mean they include Stoke accounts and eliminate all inter group balances. See my previous post on the prior year loss. |
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Sept 2, 2013 19:16:34 GMT
You are clearly not up to speed with "the legacy" Sheiky! Or did you think the millions we were spending on players that had ten parts of fuck all resale value was a never ending and sustainable gift from the fairies that would never catch up with us? Perhaps its that twat Cartwright"s doing again? Your buddy Carto, eh Mark. Stephen Fucking Ireland, just how does he find them Let's also talk resale value; Bego £15-20M Shawcross - £10-12M N'Zoni - £10-15M Huth - £6-7M There's £50 odd million quid's worth 'legacy' right there. All pre Cartwright 'nall. Things are loads better behind the scenes aren't they. You've sold them then have you? Perhaps you've written off the spunked away millions on transfers and wages you know happened as well as I do. You are arguing the un defendable. Have you rang Denise to tell her your decision. A pro recruitment team like every other Prem club has is even more essential now the money is less readily available. Sending Kempo and Parso on holiday recruitment lucky dips doesn't wash anymore. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 2, 2013 19:24:32 GMT
Nice bit of fishing.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 2, 2013 20:16:21 GMT
Your buddy Carto, eh Mark. Stephen Fucking Ireland, just how does he find them Let's also talk resale value; Bego £15-20M Shawcross - £10-12M N'Zoni - £10-15M Huth - £6-7M There's £50 odd million quid's worth 'legacy' right there. All pre Cartwright 'nall. Things are loads better behind the scenes aren't they. You've sold them then have you? Perhaps you've written off the spunked away millions on transfers and wages you know happened as well as I do. You are arguing the un defendable. Have you rang Denise to tell her your decision. A pro recruitment team like every other Prem club has is even more essential now the money is less readily available. Sending Kempo and Parso on holiday recruitment lucky dips doesn't wash anymore. I haven't sold anyone but it puts some of the previous business that was written off by some as universally 'disastrous' into a bit of context. The only 'un-defendable' element of this whole affair is this fictitious loss figure put forward by BET365 which some seem to have swallowed without hesitation. It was put forward as justification for getting rid of Pulis when none was needed which has lead to the 'un-defendable' situation of the huge reduction in investment at a time of record revenues. I remember a time when key members of the Oatcake Editorial team would have perhaps been on the phone to ask what the fuck Denise and her dildo of justice were up to. No longer sadly. |
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Post by santy on Sept 2, 2013 20:17:54 GMT
Mmmm. I believe these particular accounts were 'audited' by the lads at Jackanory. Our accounts are done by Baker Tilly is it? The company that has the building right next to the Bet365 buildings down festival park. They were the accounts submitted for FFP and the premier league rules at least from how it seems. |
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 2, 2013 20:18:26 GMT
Extra £71million in TV money, only £5million spent on players. Answers on a postcard to Stoke City c/o Peter Coates's arse pocket. Bit of an exaggeration there Pugs old bean. Closer to £20 million extra per annum for most clubs in the Prem - but don't let the facts get in the way of a good theory!  Lol, I write headlines for the Sun as well. Still it stirs the pot somewhat!!!!!!! |
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Post by slother on Sept 2, 2013 20:23:13 GMT
If we can stay in the Premiership, develop the club and play entertaining football I don't care how little we spend or how rich the Coates get.
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Post by Menorca Stokie on Sept 2, 2013 23:17:00 GMT
If maybe we look at the bigger picture it has been a very clever window by the chairman. We have a new management team in place who are attempting to change our style. They have an average sized squad with considerable experience. Which ever way you look at it we now have a better squad and more options compared to 6 month's ago with spending limited amounts of money. We've over spent in the majority of wi dows in the past 6 seasons so it had to come to an end at some point.
The new regime has 4 months to assess what they have and if we need to improve he can hhopefully have funds in January's window. At this stage we are readdressing the books and rightly so. We are a small club with limited income on top of the tv money so eventually have to be realistic.
Clubs such as Southampton, Cardiff, swansea etc are several years behind in the spending stakes, , clubs such as sunderland and Newcastle should tread wearily in my opinion as similar sized x prem teams have spent big in thepast, leeds, sheffields, forest and Leicester have all struggled.
Long live Sir Peter and lets hope MH is knighted in the very near future.
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Post by stokeymad on Sept 2, 2013 23:29:53 GMT
Talk about other day peoples money burning a hole in your pocket.
The money doesn't have to be invested only in players you know. Ground expansions don't exactly come cheap.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Sept 2, 2013 23:57:11 GMT
You've sold them then have you? Perhaps you've written off the spunked away millions on transfers and wages you know happened as well as I do. You are arguing the un defendable. Have you rang Denise to tell her your decision. A pro recruitment team like every other Prem club has is even more essential now the money is less readily available. Sending Kempo and Parso on holiday recruitment lucky dips doesn't wash anymore. I haven't sold anyone but it puts some of the previous business that was written off by some as universally 'disastrous' into a bit of context. The only 'un-defendable' element of this whole affair is this fictitious loss figure put forward by BET365 which some seem to have swallowed without hesitation. It was put forward as justification for getting rid of Pulis when none was needed which has lead to the 'un-defendable' situation of the huge reduction in investment at a time of record revenues. I remember a time when key members of the Oatcake Editorial team would have perhaps been on the phone to ask what the fuck Denise and her dildo of justice were up to. No longer sadly. All that tells me is that you have put your fingers in your ears and ignored all the talk about the club becoming self sustaining. It isn't difficult to estimate that we have spent window after window living beyond our means is it? It isn't unreasonable to accept that we couldn't expect the owners to splash the amounts they have indefinitely is it? It is a bit daft to compare attitudes post all that investment to days gone by where players were being hawked around for sale to what has gone on over the last six or seven years isn't it? I just don't see where you are coming from. I don't think the Coates owe anyone an explanation for not sustaining the level of spend the previous management required indefinitely. All I need to hear from you now is to try and pin the reduced spend on the Icelanders and my day is complete! When all is said and done we have strengthened well across the squad all for the cost of one Dave Kitson or less than we paid for Tuncay who was used to stop the subs bench from blowing away. Tells a story doesn't it? |
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Post by surreystokie on Sept 3, 2013 0:07:53 GMT
A few facts:
The increase in Sky money, due largely to a vast increase in overseas television monies, covers our debt, more or less.
We are already around the wages limit, (f0r our income) bearing in mind the new FFP, which is now in operation.
Clubs like the NE ones have twice our attendance and terrific sponsorship. We must be among the poorest in sponsor deals (stadium rights, shirts etc) and always have been.
When we had the cost of the new academy, (£7M) then doubled it again, this year, to comply with the new rules on grade one status, that was just in building costs. Because we made that decision, with an eye on the future and self sustainment, it put a few millions on the wage bill for extra staff down there, an unbelievable number of highly qualified people re fitness, medicine, physios, as well as coaches, all separate from the staff fot the main squad.
We rarely get any money back on transfers, as TP's was a policy 'for the moment', few youth and to pay high for ready-made players and therefore inevitably sell low. Many stayed (due to their high wages) rather than move elsewhere with lower pay but able to play regularly e.g. Soares, Tongue, Davies, Pullis junior, Pugh.........
We still do have money to spend, as we are only at the start of the season It does not all come to us at the end of the season and we may have decided to hang on for the January window, when MH has had time to truly analyse his present squad's prospects.
We have kept ST prices low and the fct that their number increased dramatically, though providing guaranteed cash, meant less money thenif more were paying on the day.
Personally, while worried about our lack of firepower up front, I'm surprised and happy that we have retained our four best players.
The Coates may have decided to sell, in the near future. Do the offspring want the responsibility that Dad so obviously enjoys and with his wrok for the game's wider interests? Don't think so.
We can be grateful, yes, but they won't go broke, over SCFC. They not only own the stadium but the training complex as well!
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 3, 2013 0:21:24 GMT
I haven't sold anyone but it puts some of the previous business that was written off by some as universally 'disastrous' into a bit of context. The only 'un-defendable' element of this whole affair is this fictitious loss figure put forward by BET365 which some seem to have swallowed without hesitation. It was put forward as justification for getting rid of Pulis when none was needed which has lead to the 'un-defendable' situation of the huge reduction in investment at a time of record revenues. I remember a time when key members of the Oatcake Editorial team would have perhaps been on the phone to ask what the fuck Denise and her dildo of justice were up to. No longer sadly. All that tells me is that you have put your fingers in your ears and ignored all the talk about the club becoming self sustaining. It isn't difficult to estimate that we have spent window after window living beyond our means is it? It isn't unreasonable to accept that we couldn't expect the owners to splash the amounts they have indefinitely is it? It is a bit daft to compare attitudes post all that investment to days gone by where players were being hawked around for sale to what has gone on over the last six or seven years isn't it? I just don't see where you are coming from. I don't think the Coates owe anyone an explanation for not sustaining the level of spend the previous management required indefinitely. All I need to hear from you now is to try and pin the reduced spend on the Icelanders and my day is complete! When all is said and done we have strengthened well across the squad all for the cost of one Dave Kitson or less than we paid for Tuncay who was used to stop the subs bench from blowing away. Tells a story doesn't it? I think my view has been far more consistent than your own Mark. Despite being a Pulis fan I have always been a critic of our transfer window activities and although Pulis's backing was fulsome, the windows were riddled with missed first targets, lack of planning and a general sense of fuckwittery. This window (despite as you put it, 'our professional recruitment team') has been riddled with the exact same apparent blazing incompetence. You cannot in all seriousness chase various renowned strikers for four months then profess yourself happy with the window when we haven't signed one. I think the quality in the squad is pretty good but it is unbalanced and to say we have strengthened 'across the squad' is just dizzy 'Pulis is gone' fabrication, I'm afraid! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2013 7:24:26 GMT
£55 million wage budget for this season,a transfer kitty for January plus another bit of a wage and we'll make a decent profit this year to offset losses from last 2 years.
We'll be able to strengthen in Jan. A few wont,especially when they sack their managers
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Post by foster on Sept 3, 2013 7:54:01 GMT
Probably a lot of it's sitting in the bank, accruing interest and making the club healthier financially.
Spending for the sake of spending is plain fucking stupid.
Like those people who never save any money because they spend every thing they earn down the pub with their only goal in life being able to save enough per year for that weeks long holiday in Spain with their mates.
Saving for the future is the best way forward.
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Post by foster on Sept 3, 2013 7:55:37 GMT
All that tells me is that you have put your fingers in your ears and ignored all the talk about the club becoming self sustaining. It isn't difficult to estimate that we have spent window after window living beyond our means is it? It isn't unreasonable to accept that we couldn't expect the owners to splash the amounts they have indefinitely is it? It is a bit daft to compare attitudes post all that investment to days gone by where players were being hawked around for sale to what has gone on over the last six or seven years isn't it? I just don't see where you are coming from. I don't think the Coates owe anyone an explanation for not sustaining the level of spend the previous management required indefinitely. All I need to hear from you now is to try and pin the reduced spend on the Icelanders and my day is complete! When all is said and done we have strengthened well across the squad all for the cost of one Dave Kitson or less than we paid for Tuncay who was used to stop the subs bench from blowing away. Tells a story doesn't it? I think my view has been far more consistent than your own Mark. Despite being a Pulis fan I have always been a critic of our transfer window activities and although Pulis's backing was fulsome, the windows were riddled with missed first targets, lack of planning and a general sense of fuckwittery. This window (despite as you put it, 'our professional recruitment team') has been riddled with the exact same apparent blazing incompetence. You cannot in all seriousness chase various renowned strikers for four months then profess yourself happy with the window when we haven't signed one. I think the quality in the squad is pretty good but it is unbalanced and to say we have strengthened 'across the squad' is just dizzy 'Pulis is gone' fabrication, I'm afraid! I reckon we're more balanced than last season. Rome wasn't built in a day mate. ps - I do accept paypal. |
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Post by starkiller on Sept 3, 2013 8:08:18 GMT
Perfectly acceptable to be questioning why Hughes hasn't been backed to even a third of what Pulis got, especially when TV revenue has rocketed.
After all, Coates has previous ...
Not saying he's gone back to that yet but the signs are definitely there.
Once bitten... and all that.
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Post by foster on Sept 3, 2013 8:09:57 GMT
Perfectly acceptable to be questioning why Hughes hasn't been backed to even a third of what Pulis got, especially when TV revenue has rocketed. After all, Coates has previous ... Not saying he's gone back to that yet but the signs are definitely there. Once bitten... and all that. Shit film that mate. Think it was one of Jim Carreys earliest ones. Best bit is when a vampire bites him on the penis, but aside from that it's rubbish. |
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Post by foster on Sept 3, 2013 8:13:04 GMT
At the end of the day, we've improved and Hughes has made some good signings.
I think he chose not to spend more for reasons known to himself and Coates.
Overinflated prices, inability to sell others, expected availability of other players in January, confidence in the existing squad, saving for next season, increasing the wage budget, investing elsewhere, etc.
So many reasons. It's not just a case of 'He got the money so let's go spend it NOW'.
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Post by Old School Stokie on Sept 3, 2013 8:13:49 GMT
Nothing wrong in being sensible. He needs more time to assess the players in "real" games. So far we have had 3 premier league Games and already 6 points that could easily be 7 and unbeaten.
So no need to panic buy if the right players aren't there AT THE RIGHT PRICE.
So presumably your contribution to the £7 million spend is......................? If you won £50 million on the Lotto would you spend any of it on a football club?
Exactly
Some people need to get real
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Post by skemstokie on Sept 3, 2013 8:29:34 GMT
Perfectly acceptable to be questioning why Hughes hasn't been backed to even a third of what Pulis got, especially when TV revenue has rocketed. After all, Coates has previous ... Not saying he's gone back to that yet but the signs are definitely there. Once bitten... and all that. Perhaps Sparky has got what he wants,who from the club has said targets were missed,all speculation and rumour perhaps!also the Coates family owe supporters nothing.do the supporters owe them? |
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