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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 24, 2013 23:25:31 GMT
And he still looked nothing special. Poor sod. No pissing about, direct, team guy a real asset unlike some ponses. I'll tell you what ask some players what they think about him. I don't mix in the right circles to talk to footballers barring the one that played his part in bringing me into this world! No one doubts what he's good at but is it really good enough? I don't think so, all of the front 3 that started today need replacing for me though, not just Walters.
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Post by lastoftheldk on Aug 24, 2013 23:28:07 GMT
Bayern The point being? There are players who become targets for supporters who have little knowledge of the game from a professional perspective, it appears Walters is one of those. If Walters, Whelan etc. we're to leave tomorrow who would be the next in line? Would it be Shawcross,,,
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Post by potterpaul on Aug 24, 2013 23:31:35 GMT
Was the best of our 3 forwards, which in all honesty should never be playing alongside each other.
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Post by cartman123 on Aug 24, 2013 23:31:47 GMT
And he still looked nothing special. Poor sod. No pissing about, direct, team guy a real asset unlike some ponses. I'll tell you what ask some players what they think about him. They all think the same as us. Stop sprouting the same crap as Pulis. Who do you think Jerome was referring to when he said there were a guaranteed 11? The point is, we should be past players like Walters. He's not good enough. End of.
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 24, 2013 23:31:58 GMT
He was poor again for me . Can't control a football, a basic requirement for a Premiership footballer I would have thought.
Even goalies have to be able to do that these days.
The sooner we upgrade the better.
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Post by mynamesnotmark on Aug 24, 2013 23:35:02 GMT
He had a decent game nothing more than that, would love to see jerome given a chance in that front 3 instead
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Post by jonscfc1990 on Aug 24, 2013 23:40:29 GMT
He had a decent game nothing more than that, would love to see jerome given a chance in that front 3 instead Agreed. Walters' pace is just awful, and if Jerome was on the field when the ball was played into the box when Speroni came to gather, Jerome would of met it comfortably but hey ho, we got a result which is what we needed to steady the ship. Walters did have a decent second half, but nothing more!
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Post by prem4stoke on Aug 24, 2013 23:44:47 GMT
No pissing about, direct, team guy a real asset unlike some ponses. I'll tell you what ask some players what they think about him. They all think the same as us. Stop sprouting the same crap as Pulis. Who do you think Jerome was referring to when he said there were a guaranteed 11? The point is, we should be past players like Walters. He's not good enough. End of. Maybe I sprouting the same crap as Hughes now then hey
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Post by foxysgloves on Aug 25, 2013 0:09:49 GMT
Nice little assist for the goal. Presence of mind, calm and aware.
Pretty sure Hughes will be happy enough with Jon as a versatile option up top or wide.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 25, 2013 8:42:51 GMT
The pass for the goal was just about the only thing Walters did right all game.
He had an absolute mare yesterday and he simply isn't good enough to be a regular starter.
Play with Crouch and Walters as regulars all season and we will be very close to the bottom 3 if not firmly entrenched in it.
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Post by mhbsurf on Aug 25, 2013 8:54:47 GMT
We need a lot better than Walters if we are to get goals this season. He struggles to score from the bloody penalty spot at the mo, due to his one dimensional spot kicks. Same as his on field play works hard but nothing much else to give...
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Post by jeycov on Aug 25, 2013 9:03:01 GMT
Unlike the situation 2 seasons ago - he is receiving the ball with his back to goal! Our passing play is a lot better but still very static. Pass the ball more accurately but into some spaces for players to move into. - Palace did this quite well in the first half in my opinion Walters (and others) would be better suited to this type of pass imo
Maybe he will have a more central role with new arrivals, possibly from the bench.
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Post by 1982stokie on Aug 25, 2013 9:10:47 GMT
I don't think we can afford a player who's main attribute is to work hard. some one commented on his pass for the goal I think it shows his limitations when his main achievement was to pass to a team mate. He has been a good servant but a squad player at best if we want to make this work
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 25, 2013 9:11:23 GMT
Agree that all the front 3 yesterday should be replaced With better players, but at the moment I think Jon Walters deserves to play. In my eyes Ethers should be the first to go!
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Post by jarhead on Aug 25, 2013 9:12:07 GMT
Holy mother of God. He was absolutely diabolical. Spot on pugs.. All around us everyone was saying he was horrendous,looked leggy which was why he was giving foul after foul away..his shooting gets worse and his 'Dog on a Beach' nickname was all to see yesterday. He has to he dropped.
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Post by jarhead on Aug 25, 2013 9:14:17 GMT
How many times didn't he put a cross in when in great positions or when he gets the ball his head is down and runs into trouble..?
Braindead!
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Post by nik80 on Aug 25, 2013 16:29:21 GMT
Unlike the situation 2 seasons ago - he is receiving the ball with his back to goal! Our passing play is a lot better but still very static. Pass the ball more accurately but into some spaces for players to move into. - Palace did this quite well in the first half in my opinion Walters (and others) would be better suited to this type of pass imo Maybe he will have a more central role with new arrivals, possibly from the bench. I dunno about this Jay, Walters has got no pace to have balls played to run on to...
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Post by Smudge_SCFC on Aug 25, 2013 16:36:16 GMT
If I were the manager he would be in my team and I am sure if you were manager he would be in yours too. He really does do the work of 2 players. Just because he doesn't do somersaults and backflips doesn't mean he can't play football. I find it hard to understand how most other clubs fans can see it, every manager he plays under can see it but for some reason some of our fans can't? Well played today Jon. Then where are all the bids for him? If he's so invaluable for any team then why isn't there a queue of eager suitors trying to prise him away from us? It's an easy enough question to answer.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2013 16:43:33 GMT
If I were the manager he would be in my team and I am sure if you were manager he would be in yours too. He really does do the work of 2 players. Just because he doesn't do somersaults and backflips doesn't mean he can't play football. I find it hard to understand how most other clubs fans can see it, every manager he plays under can see it but for some reason some of our fans can't? Well played today Jon. Then where are all the bids for him? If he's so invaluable for any team then why isn't there a queue of eager suitors trying to prise him away from us? It's an easy enough question to answer. You're right it is an easy answer...... It's because he is bang average and a championship standard player,and to be fair he didn't really stand out in that league whilst with Ipswich. We still have a large section of our support who think running around all day for the cause equals a good footballer.
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Post by lostinafrenchbar on Aug 25, 2013 16:48:40 GMT
Walters will continue to be selected and people will continue to come on here and go on and on about how they can't understand why.
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Post by spongebobflathead on Aug 25, 2013 16:55:21 GMT
Then where are all the bids for him? If he's so invaluable for any team then why isn't there a queue of eager suitors trying to prise him away from us? It's an easy enough question to answer. You're right it is an easy answer...... It's because he is bang average and a championship standard player,and to be fair he didn't really stand out in that league whilst with Ipswich. We still have a large section of our support who think running around all day for the cause equals a good footballer. So on that basis does the same apply for begovic ? How many bids do we have on the table for him ? Or is he a championship player ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2013 17:04:00 GMT
You're right it is an easy answer...... It's because he is bang average and a championship standard player,and to be fair he didn't really stand out in that league whilst with Ipswich. We still have a large section of our support who think running around all day for the cause equals a good footballer. So on that basis does the same apply for begovic ? How many bids do we have on the table for him ? Or is he a championship player ? Don't really know why you've quoted me to be honest because your first two questions don't really apply to anything I said in my post. Smudge asked a question(albeit not to me)and I answered it. I'm not sure i really need to answer your third question to be honest as I think you and me both know its an absolutely fucking ridiculous one to ask,don't we?
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Post by dozintheseventees on Aug 25, 2013 17:04:51 GMT
The pass for the goal was just about the only thing Walters did right all game. He had an absolute mare yesterday and he simply isn't good enough to be a regular starter. Play with Crouch and Walters as regulars all season and we will be very close to the bottom 3 if not firmly entrenched in it. In THAT double act, Walters is not the main problem.
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Post by Smudge_SCFC on Aug 25, 2013 17:08:17 GMT
So on that basis does the same apply for begovic ? How many bids do we have on the table for him ? Or is he a championship player ? Don't really know why you've quoted me to be honest because your first two questions don't really apply to anything I said in my post. Smudge asked a question(albeit not to me)and I answered it. I'm not sure i really need to answer your third question to be honest as I think you and me both know its an absolutely fucking ridiculous one to ask,don't we? Spurs wanted him, Chelsea tried to sign him, Liverpool wanted him in the summer and now Arsenal are said to be very interested. Next...
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Post by Godo on Aug 25, 2013 17:12:37 GMT
Attacking player in front 3 who lacks pace, dribbling and crossing ability, can't hit target, has limited anticipation of spaces to be in and alcks creativitiy. Sorry but in the Premiership working 'ard isn't enough. I pay to watch players who can do what I can't not people who can run marathons.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 25, 2013 17:14:10 GMT
The pass for the goal was just about the only thing Walters did right all game. He had an absolute mare yesterday and he simply isn't good enough to be a regular starter. Play with Crouch and Walters as regulars all season and we will be very close to the bottom 3 if not firmly entrenched in it. In THAT double act, Walters is not the main problem. In that double act, they are both a very big problem. 3 goals in 32 games for Crouch and if you take penalties away from Walters, his record must read something like 7 in 90 odd games. Both are massive problems, more so when they play together.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2013 17:15:07 GMT
The pass for the goal was just about the only thing Walters did right all game. He had an absolute mare yesterday and he simply isn't good enough to be a regular starter. Play with Crouch and Walters as regulars all season and we will be very close to the bottom 3 if not firmly entrenched in it. In THAT double act, Walters is not the main problem. That statement defies belief. Ill tell you what,sign two players with pace and footballing know how. Then play 38 games with Crouch and said two players and 38 games with Walters and said two players and lets see who is the most effective player. All hypothetical I know,but you are simply talking nonsense.
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Post by Gods on Aug 25, 2013 17:16:02 GMT
Don't really know why you've quoted me to be honest because your first two questions don't really apply to anything I said in my post. Smudge asked a question(albeit not to me)and I answered it. I'm not sure i really need to answer your third question to be honest as I think you and me both know its an absolutely fucking ridiculous one to ask,don't we? Spurs wanted him, Chelsea tried to sign him, Liverpool wanted him in the summer and now Arsenal are said to be very interested. Next... How come none of them got Bego then Smudge? Spurs, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool are clubs that tend to get what they want if they really want it. Well, maybe not Arsenal, Wenger has the permanently pallid complexion of a man who was once overvharged for a glass of pernod But the others... I'm not joining the great SJW debate here, just genuinely curious
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 25, 2013 17:17:50 GMT
In THAT double act, Walters is not the main problem. That statement defies belief. Ill tell you what,sign two players with pace and footballing know how. Then play 38 games with Crouch and said two players and 38 games with Walters and said two players and lets see who is the most effective player. All hypothetical I know,but you are simply talking nonsense. Neither are good enough. Playing on his own in a front 3, Crouch managed a paltry 2 league goals for a Spurs team that was loaded with attacking intent, pace and quality. If he can't score goals in that system when surrounded by Modric, Bale, Lennon and Van der Vaart, then he sure as hell isn't going to do it with any players that we might end up signing.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 25, 2013 17:18:30 GMT
Spurs wanted him, Chelsea tried to sign him, Liverpool wanted him in the summer and now Arsenal are said to be very interested. Next... How come none of them got Bego then Smudge? Spurs, Chelsea and Liverpool are clubs that tend to get what they want if they really want it. I'm not joining the great SJW debate here, just genuinely curious Spurs didn't get him because he was there for a medical and saw Stipe Pletikosa at the same place so legged it realising he wouldn't get first team football any time soon. The same reason was for Chelsea, he wouldn't be their first choice so he didn't go there. Liverpool went for the cheaper option.
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