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Post by sufolkstokie on Apr 11, 2013 6:58:01 GMT
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Post by BristolMick on Apr 11, 2013 7:15:15 GMT
Yes exactly NO MENTION OF THE MANAGER at all. This is as bad as Pulis's don't boo the players claptrap. This is more condescending rubbish that seems to infer that the fans are attacking the players and damaging our premiership survival chances!
If he and Pulis genuinely wanted to take the pressure off the players the first thing they need to say is that they acknowledge that the wrath of the fans is directed at the MANAGER not the players.
I really do worry that Coates is completely oblivious to the large scale anger amongst the support base and the reasons for it. Maybe the whole ground does need to tell him "we want Pulis out" so there can be no doubt to the pair of them!
BM
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2013 7:19:49 GMT
The supporters were up for a bearpit atmosphere on Saturday ....someone didn't tell the team the same tho.
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Post by Danstoke82 on Apr 11, 2013 7:19:52 GMT
Utterly utterly sick of them rolling out this.
The sooner both he and Pulis realise that the fans ARE trying to do their bit the better.
I think Coates needs to speak to his surrogate son first and put him straight, maybe then, he might realise that it's not purely down to just us, the fans to roar the team across the line.
Its simple, If Pulis stops with this stubbornness, picks players on form and in their correct positions, goes out for a win and doesnt sit back shit scared of losing then maybe, just maybe the fans will totally get behind him. Supporting the players was never in question for me, they are sent out to do a job by one man only. We don't pick the bloody team Coates, we dont set out the tactics, we dont buy the damn players and we dont leave players to rot on the bench who might be able to help pull us through this.
Until either Coates or Pulis identify where the actual problem is then for me, they can just keep banging out this same cry too little avail.
Im sorry but how fucking dare they bring it around for the fans to do their bit when everyone know where the problem lies, well except for two people obviously.
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Post by greyman on Apr 11, 2013 7:19:56 GMT
I wish they'd stop misrepresenting what people think. If Shotton gets stick it's because he's a player who thinks his best position is centre back but who has been asked to play right midfield. The stick is for the man who thinks that is a good idea.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Apr 11, 2013 7:20:30 GMT
"Some individual players do get criticism more than others," he agreed, "and it really doesn't help them to develop.
It seems they have found the reason for our awful football - it was us the fans all along!
This is getting increasingly patronising. Ive been surprised how supportive and restrained the supporters have been during the games themselves. Compared to other clubs in the Premier League we seem to be some of the most blindly supportive.
I wouldnt mind if these comments are balanced by a critical view of the management but he doesnt mention Pulis once.
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Post by greyman on Apr 11, 2013 7:24:12 GMT
What we need is for somebody like Nigel Johnson to ask proper questions. Here's two:
1. What is Ryan Shotton doing on the right wing?
2. We all know Jon Walters runs his tripe out on the left, but what did he actually achieve today?
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Post by Davef on Apr 11, 2013 7:40:46 GMT
Week, after week, after week, after week, this calamity is turned back onto the fans.
I'm sick to the back teeth of it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2013 7:43:31 GMT
"Players to develop", strewth. I'm struggling to think of a player who's significantly improved since he's been here. Even Shawcross isn't the player he could have been.
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Post by BristolMick on Apr 11, 2013 7:48:30 GMT
The ironic thing is if he sacked Pulis he would have the unity and bear pit atmosphere that he calls for in an instant!
BM
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Post by stokemark on Apr 11, 2013 8:06:26 GMT
The ironic thing is if he sacked Pulis he would have the unity and bear pit atmosphere that he calls for in an instant! BM So true Mick. He could unite the fans in one full swoop by making the change now. The fans are fully behind the players and the team - We are the last people who want to see us relagated !!! He had a choice to improve our chances, at least short term (which has been backed up by the statistics demonstrated on this site) or stick with Tony. He has thus influenced the outcome x 100000000000000 versus your Joe average on the terraces and really should be seen to be standing behind his decision rather than try and place the emphasis on us for the gazillionth time |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Apr 11, 2013 8:08:42 GMT
Hope Coates has had a word in Clueless's ear,like give the fans something to cheer about.
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Post by Binndy on Apr 11, 2013 8:10:28 GMT
I would have to agree with nothing but bearpit support , with letters etc once stoke city are safe or relegated.
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Post by fca47 on Apr 11, 2013 8:16:10 GMT
It is all getting a bit lame, trying to say it is not the responsibility of the manager and players. They are opposing the other team not the supporters. A good atmosphere only counts for about 5%. Get the rest right and the support will follow. I don't think this continuous sniping at supporters is going to help the atmosphere. Give TP and the players a gee up not us.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2013 8:23:27 GMT
It will help on Sunday if the manager doesn't do his usual routine of bending over for Bacon Face the moment he walks through the door.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2013 8:24:39 GMT
Fans again?
Jesus, there was a time when they called us the twelfth man. The way they bang on about it now you’d assume they want us to be the first eleven too.
The support has been spot on, and probably a lot louder and more encouraging than the performances, tactics and team selections deserve.
If we were to go down you’d think it was the fans who were to blame with this bile being churned out every single week.
It’d be refreshing if Coates came out with a message of “The Manager and the Players need to take responsibility for this situation. We can’t rely on luck or outside factors. We need to take matters into our own hands, be positive and get ourselves out of this bloody mess”, instead of “We need the fans to support the lads” utter shyte. They (Pulis + Coates) are so out of touch with what is going on right now it is unreal.
I’m losing the will with it all now. I really am.
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Post by tybereusfirkz on Apr 11, 2013 8:27:37 GMT
I think it's entirely summed up by asking fans to return to the spirit of the first season in the premier league.
Shows how far even he thinks we have come.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 11, 2013 8:29:42 GMT
Coates out.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2013 8:35:33 GMT
Coates talking sense would be a start. At least giving a realistic take on the current situation.
Anybody who has been to our games since Christmas will tell you that the Support has been good, its the rest that's been dire.
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Post by colinroberts1 on Apr 11, 2013 8:37:11 GMT
another season of pulis and think it won't be the bear pit,it will be the snake pit !!!!!
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Post by stokiejohn on Apr 11, 2013 8:37:29 GMT
Sadly imo the powers that be have only been interested in getting to the magic 40 points , not concerned about the people that matter the most ! They wait until we are in the sh@t to remember about us !!
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 11, 2013 8:40:23 GMT
Yet again absolutely nothing to see here. What the fuck do you want the owner to say prior to 6 cup finals? When push comes to shove, the bottom line is that he simply doesn't think that Pulis is as big a cunt as you lot do.
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Post by Ellan Vannin on Apr 11, 2013 8:40:43 GMT
Think it shows that although Pulis deserves the vast amount of the blame, there has actual been mismanagement at every level of the club.
To be able to pluck relegation from the jaws of a top ten finish at the start of January, for me at least, shows that mismanagement runs through the whole structure of the club.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Apr 11, 2013 8:41:51 GMT
Coates really worries me.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2013 8:42:19 GMT
I have to say I think the fans have been pretty magnificent this season considering the shite thats been served up. We were tolerant last season when the writing was on the wall as well. To Coatsey, the problem is with your manager who has squandered millions of pound and has produced a season like this. Stoke fans have been tolerant, extremely tolerant of late.
Yes we need to stick with the team to get us over the line, but I don't see anything than a defeat on Sunday, and the next 3 games will make or break us. A massive decision has to be made with regards to Pulis in the summer. Because it is he and he alone that is killing the fans passion at the game. I've long since stopped going to away games and to be honest i'm fed up of Pulis and Kemp. Staying up is critical, but it is Pulis that has put in this position through so many different reasons and decisions.
The bear pit atmosphere? Well it will return in its fullness when the club has some direction again and we do not have the 40 point target rammed down our throat again and again after 5 years in the premier, we start playing some football, we see some youth and vibrancy, politics with different players stopped being played and when we actually start playing like a premier league team again. Because that game agains Villa was shocking for a premier league side.
Just get us over the line and get rid of Pulis.
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Post by Paddypotter on Apr 11, 2013 8:44:26 GMT
If the twelve man is so important why doesn't PC pay them? A lot of supporters have done more for the club than say Tonge, Soarse and so on. The deadwood wages alone would cover the season tickets. With the current fare on offer, would free tickets still be to expensive. [  ] |
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Post by albanianstokie on Apr 11, 2013 8:45:23 GMT
Ok, it's true that the fans can do teir bit. But I really think that the fans do as much as can be reasonably expected, in the context of what is given on the pitch.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2013 8:45:46 GMT
Yet again absolutely nothing to see here. What the fuck do you want the owner to say prior to 6 cup finals? When push comes to shove, the bottom line is that he simply doesn't think that Pulis is as big a cunt as you lot do. I certainly don't think he's a cunt. There's nothing personal about it. He's just lost the plot, we're in a complete mess and we are heading in the wrong direction. Lets hope Coates has got it right by blindly sticking by him and he's not just standing by, watching us head to the Championship and doing nothing. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 11, 2013 8:51:39 GMT
Yet again absolutely nothing to see here. What the fuck do you want the owner to say prior to 6 cup finals? When push comes to shove, the bottom line is that he simply doesn't think that Pulis is as big a cunt as you lot do. I certainly don't think he's a cunt. There's nothing personal about it. He's just lost the plot, we're in a complete mess and we are heading in the wrong direction. Lets hope Coates has got it right by blindly sticking by him and he's not just standing by, watching us head to the Championship and doing nothing. Getting rid of him this side of the end of the season was always a non starter with someone like Coates who has a history of loyalty to his managers and there is no evidence at all to suggest that a new manager could halt the slide. He is an owner trying a bot of rabble rousing. NOTHING to see here. If you think in the days leading up to the big game he is going start ripping into his manager but say you fans are great (despite singing you're getting sacked in the morning to your own manager) then you're all in cloud cuckoo land. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2013 8:53:46 GMT
I think we can safely say that Coates and Pulis are singing from the same hymn sheet.
When you see comments like these it doesn't fill me with any confidence that Coates is thinking about a change of manager/direction.
It has always been in the back of my mind that we are all just fantasising when thinking that Pulis is on his way,it now is becoming crystal clear that even if we go down he will still be in charge next season.
The only way it will end is if Pulis walks which may be on tje cards as he is proving himself to be a bit of a mard arse lately.
It's an utterly depressing thought but one which we are going to have to get used to by the looks of it
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