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Post by Lakeland Potter on Apr 11, 2013 11:40:36 GMT
Funny how differently people see things. One of the few certainties I have about our current situation, is that a majority of fans think that sticking with the manager to the end of the season is the best option. Obviously the size of the majority decreases with every game we don't win, but that is inevitable! I'm glad we agree that, having decided to stick with the manager (for the present) then Coates has to have a united front with TP. Certainity? Based on what evidence John? It might be true (just) but on the other hand, I wouldn't be in the slightest bit surprised if the majority wanted him gone right now. Based largely on what I read on here in the past week. It seems to me that a majority were in favour of keeping TP in place to the end of the season. I accept that the majority (if there is one) will decrease with every game in which we don't get points. So, I'm left with a gut feeling - just as you are. I can't prove I'm right - nor can you prove I am wrong. At the end of the day, he isn't going to be removed until Peter wants him removed and it doesn't look as though he has reached that point yet. And until that point is reached, Peter would be daft to criticise him in public.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Apr 11, 2013 11:43:36 GMT
1) Coates hasn't blamed the fans ANYWHERE in that article for the trouble we're in 2) He actually states he agrees we're on a terrible run 3) Chairman thinks that fans reigniting the atmosphere we used to have may spur players on shock exclusive!!! as per usual though the same people as bloody always jump on anything that comes out of the mouth of ANYONE connected to the club to read what they want to into it so we can turn it into another Pulis out thread. i want Pulis gone as well but to make some of the assumptions that some have on here about his comments just shows the paranoia, the vitriol and the complete lack of common sense that some have and what lengths they'll go to to maintain their agenda. Coates actually says that regardless of where the blame lies it might just help if we ignore that right at this exact moment (not for ever and ever Amen but just for now until we get to safety) and forget about petty agendas to get rid of Pulis and just roar them on for 90 minutes regardless of how we set up, who is chosen etc. and instead of spending our energy booing Pulis, whinging about Pulis in the stands just ignore that (whether we like it or not Coates has said he's staying until the season finishes at least so it won't achieve anything now anyway...pretty sure he already knows the fans viewpoint already!) and carry on cheering for the team instead of going dead as a dodo even if we're playing shit Coates is a fan and always has been, he can't give Pulis money now to get us out of it, he obviously thinks (rightly or wrongly) that getting rid now is too much of a gamble with 6 games left (and we won't change that by slating Pulis on the terraces) so basically the only thing we have left is us....basically he's just saying they'll do what they can on the pitch to stay up, Pulis will do what his ability allows him to (which won't add a lot to the pot admittedly) so we need to as well absolutely piss all wrong with what Coates has said but as per usual people on here completely misrepresent what he's said, read things into it that aren't there, put 2 and 2 together to come up with whatever suits them and slags the Chariman off for simply asking the fans to do what they can.....and anyone says we always do is talking rubbish, it's been like a pissing morgue for weeks now and yes, that's down to the manager but he knows what we think already, message has been received so now just get back to roaring them on.bugger Pulis baiting for whatever reasons at the game, we've got 6 games left that's all, it's time to throw the bloody kitchen sink at it now and that includes putting the sniping, whinging and booing aside at matchdays (we can do that her to our hearts content to get it out of our system) and making sure we go home with no voices for the right reasons i.e. we've roared our bollocks off!!! Well said - you've put into words what I think - but you've done it more eloquently than I could have done.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Apr 11, 2013 11:44:49 GMT
The first season up the support was steak and chips. It's little different now. Doesn't he know you can't have steak n chips all the time? Particularly when there is shit on the menu.
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Post by LouieIsTheKing on Apr 11, 2013 11:45:27 GMT
Totally agree - great post Mick Mills. You've just saved me half an hour's typing.
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Post by generationex on Apr 11, 2013 11:47:02 GMT
It's like a collective mental illness has taken hold of this board sometimes. Whatever the thread is about, however reasonable the topic raised, we have the same old voices frantic to announce "square pegs round holes"/"got to go now"/"give us something to cheer" etc.
I can imagine these people wandering around Hanley years from now yelling "Pulis! Full backs!" at pigeons.
We can all see what's going wrong but we are where we are now and all we can do - that is constructive at this point - is do what Coates suggests. I still cannot see how this is controversial.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2013 11:47:35 GMT
"This manager who you think is still the man to lead us to safety has turned us into a team that can only be described as a rabble" I always think die hard supporters lose a sense of reality when it comes to their team. When they are winning, they overstate their teams performances, and when they are losing the opposite happens. In my view Stoke won't go down and Tony Pulis should be given at least one more season to get the team back on track. He will know better than anyone that the last few months have not been acceptable, in terms of results and performances. Don't panic though, that would be the worst thing the club could do. "He will know better than anyone that the last few months have not been acceptable,in terms of results and performances." Will he? Are you sure? Then can you please explain why he keeps banging the same drum as regards to tactics,team selection and substitutions? Surely if he knew things weren't going to plan he would be trying different things to put it right would he not?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2013 11:47:45 GMT
Has Coates said that Pulis will definitely be here for the rest of the season? Genuine question. I've not seen that quote. Been away for a few days and not been able to keep tabs on things as much as normal.
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Post by stokeoptimist on Apr 11, 2013 11:49:26 GMT
Yes exactly NO MENTION OF THE MANAGER at all. This is as bad as Pulis's don't boo the players claptrap. This is more condescending rubbish that seems to infer that the fans are attacking the players and damaging our premiership survival chances! If he and Pulis genuinely wanted to take the pressure off the players the first thing they need to say is that they acknowledge that the wrath of the fans is directed at the MANAGER not the players. I really do worry that Coates is completely oblivious to the large scale anger amongst the support base and the reasons for it. Maybe the whole ground does need to tell him "we want Pulis out" so there can be no doubt to the pair of them! BM The whole ground does not want him out, please dont quote on my behalf.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2013 11:58:23 GMT
Fans again? Jesus, there was a time when they called us the twelfth man. The way they bang on about it now you’d assume they want us to be the first eleven too. The support has been spot on, and probably a lot louder and more encouraging than the performances, tactics and team selections deserve. If we were to go down you’d think it was the fans who were to blame with this bile being churned out every single week. It’d be refreshing if Coates came out with a message of “The Manager and the Players need to take responsibility for this situation. We can’t rely on luck or outside factors. We need to take matters into our own hands, be positive and get ourselves out of this bloody mess”, instead of “We need the fans to support the lads” utter shyte. They (Pulis + Coates) are so out of touch with what is going on right now it is unreal. I’m losing the will with it all now. I really am. Agree with all of that WD
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 11, 2013 11:59:02 GMT
Certainity? Based on what evidence John? It might be true (just) but on the other hand, I wouldn't be in the slightest bit surprised if the majority wanted him gone right now. Based largely on what I read on here in the past week. It seems to me that a majority were in favour of keeping TP in place to the end of the season. I accept that the majority (if there is one) will decrease with every game in which we don't get points. So, I'm left with a gut feeling - just as you are. I can't prove I'm right - nor can you prove I am wrong. At the end of the day, he isn't going to be removed until Peter wants him removed and it doesn't look as though he has reached that point yet. And until that point is reached, Peter would be daft to criticise him in public. I wasn't trying to prove you wrong or that I wasn't right was I? Indeed I didn't offer a firm opinion of where the majority currently stand. I was asking how you were so CERTAIN about it and now that you've answered, it appears there's actually very little evidence to make you so certain. Maybe you should start a poll.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 11, 2013 12:03:00 GMT
It's like a collective mental illness has taken hold if this board sometimes. Whatever the thread is about, however reasonable the topic raised, we have the same old voices frantic to announce "square pegs round holes"/"got to go now"/"give us something to cheer" etc. I can imagine these people wandering around Hanley years from now yelling "Pulis! Full backsGoarn Jon!" at pigeons.We can all see what's going wrong but we are where we are now and all we can do - that is constructive at this point - is do what Coates suggests. I still cannot see how this is controversial. Amended for you ...
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 11, 2013 12:06:14 GMT
We're only guessing but I think there are a lot of people still very iffy about getting rid now, there's just too many imponderables. I think the desire to get rid at the end of the season (regardless of the outcome of the season) is now overwhelming so if that's not the route they go, the P.R job they have to do will put the 2006 effort in the shade.
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Post by hollybush on Apr 11, 2013 12:06:19 GMT
As always, one of the problems on here is that too many people think this board is completely representative of ALL Stoke fans. Nothing could be further from the truth. Purely because of what it is, it's far more likely to attract the more fanatical fan than the average, which is obvious from the tone of many posts. The vast majority of Stoke fans aren't completely obsessed with the club, almost to the exclusion of anything else; they have lives and activities that take up more of their time than Stoke does.
Where I sit on the Boothen (block 20), there's a reasonable cross-section of ages/types/gender/level of education, and of the 9 or 10 I chat with regularly, NOT ONE SINGLE ONE either buys the Oatcake or frequents this site. At least 3 of them go to every home and away game, and also go on tour to Austria for the summer camp. A couple come from outside the area for most home and away games. They're all not overly impressed with the football, but they can't believe that I've not renewed and that I've even stopped going this season.
I would say that the general tone round there is that Pulis is the best man for the job. Very few of them would demand his exit, but also very few would get massively upset if he went.
Please just remember that anything posted on here only reaches a small fraction of the 25000 who turn up at the Brit, and what they all think is by no means what people on here are saying. I can only speak for myself and those I know. For me, he should have been gone at least 2 months ago; for them, they really don't see him as the problem. They couldn't tell you what the problem is, but they don't see changing the manager as a solution to it.
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Post by generationex on Apr 11, 2013 12:16:39 GMT
It's irrelevant if the minority or majority want him gone before the end of the season. He's not going. If Pulis was going this season he would have gone after the Villa debacle. Coates is not even prepared to give him a vote of confidence, so as not to raise that issue. Can we move on now to survival?
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Post by Stokie Mcpot on Apr 11, 2013 12:20:53 GMT
Give us a new manager, St Peter, and we'll give you a coliseum.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Apr 11, 2013 12:25:55 GMT
Based largely on what I read on here in the past week. It seems to me that a majority were in favour of keeping TP in place to the end of the season. I accept that the majority (if there is one) will decrease with every game in which we don't get points. So, I'm left with a gut feeling - just as you are. I can't prove I'm right - nor can you prove I am wrong. At the end of the day, he isn't going to be removed until Peter wants him removed and it doesn't look as though he has reached that point yet. And until that point is reached, Peter would be daft to criticise him in public. I wasn't trying to prove you wrong or that I wasn't right was I? Indeed I didn't offer a firm opinion of where the majority currently stand. I was asking how you were so CERTAIN about it and now that you've answered, it appears there's actually very little evidence to make you so certain. Maybe you should start a poll. I've never claimed that there was evidence to make me certain. If one needed evidence to be certain then all those who follow a religion would be left high and dry. Just because I'm certain doesn't mean I am right - or wrong!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2013 12:42:10 GMT
I think we can safely say that Coates and Pulis are singing from the same hymn sheet. When you see comments like these it doesn't fill me with any confidence that Coates is thinking about a change of manager/direction. It has always been in the back of my mind that we are all just fantasising when thinking that Pulis is on his way,it now is becoming crystal clear that even if we go down he will still be in charge next season. The only way it will end is if Pulis walks which may be on tje cards as he is proving himself to be a bit of a mard arse lately. It's an utterly depressing thought but one which we are going to have to get used to by the looks of it Totally agree. Very disheartening to read this article - although I just can't see Pulis walking. A heavy defeat on Sunday won't help the fans mood though - even if it is against Manure.
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Post by ChesterStokie on Apr 11, 2013 13:17:03 GMT
I take encouragement that Coates has said nothing in that article that suggests Pulis is going to be here after the end of the season. It's almost as if he has quite deliberately avoided talking about the manager- because as soon as he talks about him he has to back him, and he hasn't backed him at all in that article.
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Post by foster on Apr 11, 2013 13:21:49 GMT
Totally agree - great post Mick Mills. You've just saved me half an hour's typing. That's his super power. Mick can type faster than a speeding bullet and make arguments more powerful than a locomotive. The only thing he can't do is leap tall buildings in a single bound, which is the only thing that distinguishes him from Superman himself!! ....and of course the fact that he's gay.
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Post by jonnybravo on Apr 11, 2013 13:56:30 GMT
It's like a collective mental illness has taken hold of this board sometimes. Whatever the thread is about, however reasonable the topic raised, we have the same old voices frantic to announce "square pegs round holes"/"got to go now"/"give us something to cheer" etc. I can imagine these people wandering around Hanley years from now yelling "Pulis! Full backs!" at pigeons. We can all see what's going wrong but we are where we are now and all we can do - that is constructive at this point - is do what Coates suggests. I still cannot see how this is controversial.
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Post by jonnybravo on Apr 11, 2013 13:58:51 GMT
It's like a collective mental illness has taken hold of this board sometimes. Whatever the thread is about, however reasonable the topic raised, we have the same old voices frantic to announce "square pegs round holes"/"got to go now"/"give us something to cheer" etc. I can imagine these people wandering around Hanley years from now yelling "Pulis! Full backs!" at pigeons. We can all see what's going wrong but we are where we are now and all we can do - that is constructive at this point - is do what Coates suggests. I still cannot see how this is controversial. I'll be shouting pulis full backs lying in my bed at night in August if he stays never mind shouting it at pigeons up Hanley in Afew years
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Post by stokemark on Apr 11, 2013 14:06:13 GMT
As always, one of the problems on here is that too many people think this board is completely representative of ALL Stoke fans. Nothing could be further from the truth. Purely because of what it is, it's far more likely to attract the more fanatical fan than the average, which is obvious from the tone of many posts. The vast majority of Stoke fans aren't completely obsessed with the club, almost to the exclusion of anything else; they have lives and activities that take up more of their time than Stoke does. Where I sit on the Boothen (block 20), there's a reasonable cross-section of ages/types/gender/level of education, and of the 9 or 10 I chat with regularly, NOT ONE SINGLE ONE either buys the Oatcake or frequents this site. At least 3 of them go to every home and away game, and also go on tour to Austria for the summer camp. A couple come from outside the area for most home and away games. They're all not overly impressed with the football, but they can't believe that I've not renewed and that I've even stopped going this season. I would say that the general tone round there is that Pulis is the best man for the job. Very few of them would demand his exit, but also very few would get massively upset if he went. Please just remember that anything posted on here only reaches a small fraction of the 25000 who turn up at the Brit, and what they all think is by no means what people on here are saying. I can only speak for myself and those I know. For me, he should have been gone at least 2 months ago; for them, they really don't see him as the problem. They couldn't tell you what the problem is, but they don't see changing the manager as a solution to it. Its a valid comment though Im not sure what it has to do with PC's statement ? Id argue that the 'floater' is much more likely to boo / cheer without due consideration dependant on the product served up in front of him / her. On that basis Coates's comments will fall on deaf ears with regard to these people so the truth of the matter is actions speak louder than words. There has been no definable action taken.
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Post by boweryboy on Apr 11, 2013 14:41:12 GMT
Coates should be aiming his rallying call at the manager and HIS players, not the fans who have always been there home and away..and what have Pulis and the players given back to fans when we play away...jack shit.we have relied on our home form so much that now that has dropped off we are paying the price for not addressing our away form....and thats down to who....THE FANS...i don't think so.Pulis is taking us down because he has continually picked his favourite championship players...after the Villa game he said we missed Whelan....and in those few words is the problem, when we miss the likes Whelan who blows hot and cold at best...still having a division two mentality of buying players who can fill in at two or three positions,but are clearly master of none,and don't bother going back to the American market because very few make it at Premier League level even if they are cheap...and yes i know Cameron has been played out of position,but that what you get under Pulis..we've seen a fleeting glance of Shea but that's all,and if he can't incorporate playing left back as well as left wing,can you really see holding down a regular first team spot at this level....if we stay up and that's a BIG IF at the moment,it won't be because of what we do ...it will be more of what those below us don't do !!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Etain Tur-Mukan on Apr 11, 2013 14:44:21 GMT
1) Coates hasn't blamed the fans ANYWHERE in that article for the trouble we're in 2) He actually states he agrees we're on a terrible run 3) Chairman thinks that fans reigniting the atmosphere we used to have may spur players on shock exclusive!!! as per usual though the same people as bloody always jump on anything that comes out of the mouth of ANYONE connected to the club to read what they want to into it so we can turn it into another Pulis out thread. i want Pulis gone as well but to make some of the assumptions that some have on here about his comments just shows the paranoia, the vitriol and the complete lack of common sense that some have and what lengths they'll go to to maintain their agenda. Coates actually says that regardless of where the blame lies it might just help if we ignore that right at this exact moment (not for ever and ever Amen but just for now until we get to safety) and forget about petty agendas to get rid of Pulis and just roar them on for 90 minutes regardless of how we set up, who is chosen etc. and instead of spending our energy booing Pulis, whinging about Pulis in the stands just ignore that (whether we like it or not Coates has said he's staying until the season finishes at least so it won't achieve anything now anyway...pretty sure he already knows the fans viewpoint already!) and carry on cheering for the team instead of going dead as a dodo even if we're playing shit Coates is a fan and always has been, he can't give Pulis money now to get us out of it, he obviously thinks (rightly or wrongly) that getting rid now is too much of a gamble with 6 games left (and we won't change that by slating Pulis on the terraces) so basically the only thing we have left is us....basically he's just saying they'll do what they can on the pitch to stay up, Pulis will do what his ability allows him to (which won't add a lot to the pot admittedly) so we need to as well absolutely piss all wrong with what Coates has said but as per usual people on here completely misrepresent what he's said, read things into it that aren't there, put 2 and 2 together to come up with whatever suits them and slags the Chariman off for simply asking the fans to do what they can.....and anyone says we always do is talking rubbish, it's been like a pissing morgue for weeks now and yes, that's down to the manager but he knows what we think already, message has been received so now just get back to roaring them on.bugger Pulis baiting for whatever reasons at the game, we've got 6 games left that's all, it's time to throw the bloody kitchen sink at it now and that includes putting the sniping, whinging and booing aside at matchdays (we can do that her to our hearts content to get it out of our system) and making sure we go home with no voices for the right reasons i.e. we've roared our bollocks off!!! Superb post.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Apr 11, 2013 14:46:11 GMT
Coates should be aiming his rallying call at the manager and HIS players, not the fans who have always been there home and away..and what have Pulis and the players given back to fans when we play away...jack shit.we have relied on our home form so much that now that has dropped off we are paying the price for not addressing our away form....and thats down to who....THE FANS...i don't think so.Pulis is taking us down because he has continually picked his favourite championship players...after the Villa game he said we missed Whelan....and in those few words is the problem, when we miss the likes Whelan who blows hot and cold at best...still having a division two mentality of buying players who can fill in at two or three positions,but are clearly master of none,and don't bother going back to the American market because very few make it at Premier League level even if they are cheap...and yes i know Cameron has been played out of position,but that what you get under Pulis..we've seen a fleeting glance of Shea but that's all,and if he can't incorporate playing left back as well as left wing,can you really see holding down a regular first team spot at this level....if we stay up and that's a BIG IF at the moment,it won't be because of what we do ...it will be more of what those below us don't do !!!!!!!!!! So, you don't think we should try to create the Bearpit atmosphere for the remaining home games. I hope most of the fans don't feel the same way as you!
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Post by lostinafrenchbar on Apr 11, 2013 14:51:20 GMT
1) Coates hasn't blamed the fans ANYWHERE in that article for the trouble we're in 2) He actually states he agrees we're on a terrible run 3) Chairman thinks that fans reigniting the atmosphere we used to have may spur players on shock exclusive!!! as per usual though the same people as bloody always jump on anything that comes out of the mouth of ANYONE connected to the club to read what they want to into it so we can turn it into another Pulis out thread. i want Pulis gone as well but to make some of the assumptions that some have on here about his comments just shows the paranoia, the vitriol and the complete lack of common sense that some have and what lengths they'll go to to maintain their agenda. Coates actually says that regardless of where the blame lies it might just help if we ignore that right at this exact moment (not for ever and ever Amen but just for now until we get to safety) and forget about petty agendas to get rid of Pulis and just roar them on for 90 minutes regardless of how we set up, who is chosen etc. and instead of spending our energy booing Pulis, whinging about Pulis in the stands just ignore that (whether we like it or not Coates has said he's staying until the season finishes at least so it won't achieve anything now anyway...pretty sure he already knows the fans viewpoint already!) and carry on cheering for the team instead of going dead as a dodo even if we're playing shit Coates is a fan and always has been, he can't give Pulis money now to get us out of it, he obviously thinks (rightly or wrongly) that getting rid now is too much of a gamble with 6 games left (and we won't change that by slating Pulis on the terraces) so basically the only thing we have left is us....basically he's just saying they'll do what they can on the pitch to stay up, Pulis will do what his ability allows him to (which won't add a lot to the pot admittedly) so we need to as well absolutely piss all wrong with what Coates has said but as per usual people on here completely misrepresent what he's said, read things into it that aren't there, put 2 and 2 together to come up with whatever suits them and slags the Chariman off for simply asking the fans to do what they can.....and anyone says we always do is talking rubbish, it's been like a pissing morgue for weeks now and yes, that's down to the manager but he knows what we think already, message has been received so now just get back to roaring them on.bugger Pulis baiting for whatever reasons at the game, we've got 6 games left that's all, it's time to throw the bloody kitchen sink at it now and that includes putting the sniping, whinging and booing aside at matchdays (we can do that her to our hearts content to get it out of our system) and making sure we go home with no voices for the right reasons i.e. we've roared our bollocks off!!! Superb post. superb post about the superb post.
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Post by baystokie on Apr 11, 2013 16:21:11 GMT
Yet again absolutely nothing to see here. What the fuck do you want the owner to say prior to 6 cup finals? When push comes to shove, the bottom line is that he simply doesn't think that Pulis is as big a cunt as you lot do. The owner is entitled to his perception of the manager just as I am - the fact that it IS the owner that has such a perception, is what makes me despair!!
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Post by jarhead on Apr 11, 2013 16:27:24 GMT
Spot on Bowery.
Lakeland lets all cheer ,jump up and applaud continued hoofs out of play and misplaced passes from 5 yards because if we cheer they won't do these things!!!
Pulis out
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Post by underdog on Apr 11, 2013 16:30:13 GMT
Desperation beach, Loserville county, United States of relegation
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Post by skip on Apr 11, 2013 16:38:46 GMT
The baker stops making bread that people think is of the necessary quality and one by one start to ebb away. Instead of taking heed and improving his recipe and methods, he questions his regulars' tastes. "BUY MY LOAVES, YOU SPOILT C**TS!!"
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