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Post by geoff321 on Apr 11, 2013 17:04:22 GMT
skip, Tony Pulis is trying to make Stoke a competitive Premiership side, which up to the last few months, he has achieved. He will always have known that the fans would want more than just standing still, let alone going backwards. The problem he faces longer term, and any Stoke manager would face it, is how do you get the club from mid table or below, to top eight. On Stoke's current wage structure and average attendances, I think it is an almighty task to get them into the top eight of the Premiership. The problem with football today is the wealth gap, maybe a salary cap would help to close that gap. On the basis that nothing changes on the financial front, you have to say Pulis has done a terrific job and is the best bet of continued success.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 11, 2013 17:08:35 GMT
The baker stops making bread that people think is of the necessary quality and one by one start to ebb away. Instead of taking heed and improving his recipe and methods, he questions his regulars' tastes. "BUY MY LOAVES, YOU SPOILT C**TS!!" The owner of the bakery has provided the facilities that gave you the best bread around for five years, the seedy stuff that makes you go for a shit, after 23 years of that thin white sliced Sunblest cack that bunged you up. He's just asking for a bit of loyalty to the shop itself whilst he has a word with the baker and sorts the ovens out.
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Post by boweryboy on Apr 11, 2013 17:34:04 GMT
Lakeland.....as i said in the first line of my post...the support has always been there home and away,it was there against Villa...sadly once again the performance of the team wasn't....what more can we do for Christ sake.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by boweryboy on Apr 11, 2013 17:43:30 GMT
Like the bread oven analogy.....two years to sort your ovens out is a bit much....perhaps he has been more concerned with front of shop than the back.!!!!
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Apr 11, 2013 18:03:48 GMT
Lakeland.....as i said in the first line of my post...the support has always been there home and away,it was there against Villa...sadly once again the performance of the team wasn't....what more can we do for Christ sake.!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The support has always been there - and Coates acknowledged this. But the support in recent seasons (understandably) hasn't been the same as it was in that first heady season in the Prem. Coates (not unreasonably in my opinion) has asked the fans to "go the extra mile" to try to lift the team by recreating that bear pit atmosphere for the final three home games this season. Is that so unreasonable? Makes sense to me.
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Post by jarvinski on Apr 11, 2013 18:04:54 GMT
Same shit different day
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Apr 11, 2013 18:42:31 GMT
You cut Whelan into 4 pieces yet
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Post by foster on Apr 11, 2013 18:58:11 GMT
Like the bread oven analogy.....two years to sort your ovens out is a bit much....perhaps he has been more concerned with front of shop than the back.!!!! What I don't get is why he keeps baking croissants in the bread oven. And why the fuck does he have just one baguette in the shop window? It's been there for ages.
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Post by MrMagic on Apr 11, 2013 19:06:21 GMT
Like the bread oven analogy.....two years to sort your ovens out is a bit much....perhaps he has been more concerned with front of shop than the back.!!!! What I don't get is why he keeps baking croissants in the bread oven. And why the fuck does he have just one baguette in the shop window? It's been there for ages. No mate - if Pulis was a baker, he'd be trying to bake bread in a fridge. He'd have a fully kitted out kitchen out back, but he'd use the fridge cos its a good fridge that keeps his milk cold, and he got it on a special deal from Apollo 2000 in Sunderland. Why shouldn't the fridge be able to bake bread? It's a good solid british made unit? He'd just wait for a little bit of luck for the dough to rise.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2013 19:06:39 GMT
skip, Tony Pulis is trying to make Stoke a competitive Premiership side, which up to the last few months, he has achieved. He will always have known that the fans would want more than just standing still, let alone going backwards. The problem he faces longer term, and any Stoke manager would face it, is how do you get the club from mid table or below, to top eight. On Stoke's current wage structure and average attendances, I think it is an almighty task to get them into the top eight of the Premiership. The problem with football today is the wealth gap, maybe a salary cap would help to close that gap. On the basis that nothing changes on the financial front, you have to say Pulis has done a terrific job and is the best bet of continued success. I couldn't disagree with what you're saying more if I tried. Pulis has had a kings ransom to spend,regardless of our attendances. With the money he has spent we should be competing for a top ten spot this season,instead of being involved in a relegation scrap. I believe with the right man in charge we would be pushing for a top eight place and I don't think it's unrealistic to be saying that considering the money pumped into assembling our squad. Pulis without a doubt has blown a shed load of cash on players that simply aren't good enough,or the ones that are have either been frozen out or been put into a system where they haven't really been able to express themselves fully. We are in the position we are in because of him and him only,and I cannot honestly see how you and Mr Coates can still think he is the right man for the job???
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Post by whereami on Apr 11, 2013 19:13:57 GMT
Lakeland.....as i said in the first line of my post...the support has always been there home and away,it was there against Villa...sadly once again the performance of the team wasn't....what more can we do for Christ sake.!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The support has always been there - and Coates acknowledged this. But the support in recent seasons (understandably) hasn't been the same as it was in that first heady season in the Prem. Coates (not unreasonably in my opinion) has asked the fans to "go the extra mile" to try to lift the team by recreating that bear pit atmosphere for the final three home games this season. Is that so unreasonable? Makes sense to me. Its wrong though isnt it? A bearpit isnt happy clappy, its full of things liable to rip the face off anything in paws reach. Whats actually being asked for is unquestioning, unthinking obedience that can feign a "bearpit" type noise in blind support of what happens on the pitch no matter how bewildering the lineup, no matter how retarded any substitutions, no matter how many crosses our own Bale shanks into the Boothen, basically expecting us to swallow any shit that happens with a grin on our face and a "mmmm, nice steak Tone!". We're being asked to rabidly support, in many cases, a superior team being deployed badly and forced to play underneath itself to drag an inferior opposition down to that level. Any bear pit like atmosphere would have chewed Pulis up by now and shat him out in the nearest woods.
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Post by stokemark on Apr 11, 2013 20:46:28 GMT
skip, Tony Pulis is trying to make Stoke a competitive Premiership side, which up to the last few months, he has achieved. He will always have known that the fans would want more than just standing still, let alone going backwards. The problem he faces longer term, and any Stoke manager would face it, is how do you get the club from mid table or below, to top eight. On Stoke's current wage structure and average attendances, I think it is an almighty task to get them into the top eight of the Premiership. The problem with football today is the wealth gap, maybe a salary cap would help to close that gap. On the basis that nothing changes on the financial front, you have to say Pulis has done a terrific job and is the best bet of continued success. That's bollocks Geoff I don't believe any Stoke fan expects top 8. We aspire to get into the top half because you have to aim for something but beyond that all we ask for is some exciting football (note not necessarily 'entertaining' as that's different), a few goals and giving the big boys a bloody nose now and again. We'd also like to see us set up to try and win the occasional away game rather than starve the life out of matches. That's it. And on that basis, and'that nothing changes on the financial front' the job that Pulis has done can hardly be described as 'terrific' nor does it bode well for the future.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2013 20:50:54 GMT
skip, Tony Pulis is trying to make Stoke a competitive Premiership side, which up to the last few months, he has achieved. He will always have known that the fans would want more than just standing still, let alone going backwards. The problem he faces longer term, and any Stoke manager would face it, is how do you get the club from mid table or below, to top eight. On Stoke's current wage structure and average attendances, I think it is an almighty task to get them into the top eight of the Premiership. The problem with football today is the wealth gap, maybe a salary cap would help to close that gap. On the basis that nothing changes on the financial front, you have to say Pulis has done a terrific job and is the best bet of continued success. How many Stoke games have you seen lately Geoff?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 11, 2013 21:08:00 GMT
The support has always been there - and Coates acknowledged this. But the support in recent seasons (understandably) hasn't been the same as it was in that first heady season in the Prem. Coates (not unreasonably in my opinion) has asked the fans to "go the extra mile" to try to lift the team by recreating that bear pit atmosphere for the final three home games this season. Is that so unreasonable? Makes sense to me. Its wrong though isnt it? A bearpit isnt happy clappy, its full of things liable to rip the face off anything in paws reach. Whats actually being asked for is unquestioning, unthinking obedience that can feign a "bearpit" type noise in blind support of what happens on the pitch no matter how bewildering the lineup, no matter how retarded any substitutions, no matter how many crosses our own Bale shanks into the Boothen, basically expecting us to swallow any shit that happens with a grin on our face and a "mmmm, nice steak Tone!". We're being asked to rabidly support, in many cases, a superior team being deployed badly and forced to play underneath itself to drag an inferior opposition down to that level. Any bear pit like atmosphere would have chewed Pulis up by now and shat him out in the nearest woods. Really good, this post is.
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Post by geoff321 on Apr 11, 2013 21:09:52 GMT
Just a quick reply to those people who have commented on my latest post. There are four managers in the Premier League who play an old fashioned type of English game i.e. up and under, and kick it if it moves.lol They are, O'Neill, Allardyce, Moyes and Pulis. They all manage clubs with restricted wage bills. They play that way, in my opinion, to negate the higher skill factor of many of their opponents. In other words stop the opposition playing and build from there. All four managers have enjoyed success. If you put any of those managers in charge at say Chelsea, I think they would mix it up more and play more of a passing and possession style, while still remaining fairly aggressive. In a nutshell I'm saying Pulis and the others keep their sides competitive by recognising they can't match the top clubs for skill, but they can match them for speed, aggression and fight, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2013 21:13:49 GMT
Just a quick reply to those people who have commented on my latest post. There are four managers in the Premier League who play an old fashioned type of English game i.e. up and under, and kick it if it moves.lol They are, O'Neill, Allardyce, Moyes and Pulis. They all manage clubs with restricted wage bills. They play that way, in my opinion, to negate the higher skill factor of many of their opponents. In other words stop the opposition playing and build from there. All four managers have enjoyed success. If you put any of those managers in charge at say Chelsea, I think they would mix it up more and play more of a passing and possession style, while still remaining fairly aggressive. In a nutshell I'm saying Pulis and the others keep their sides competitive by recognising they can't match the top clubs for skill, but they can match them for speed, aggression and fight, etc. Speed? When the fuck did you last watch us?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2013 21:16:44 GMT
In a nutshell I'm saying Pulis and the others keep their sides competitive by recognising they can't match the top clubs for skill, but they can match them for speed, aggression and fight, etc. I'm obviously missing something when I watch Stoke, cos I'm not seeing too much of any of these attributes.
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Post by owdestokie on Apr 11, 2013 21:17:25 GMT
Rob
Read the guys 1st sentence and it is difficult to argue you against. TP's style of football is up for debate, whether it is entertaining is up for debate. What is factual is that 2013 has been a disaster and bloody awful to watch.
We need to get over the line this season and take stock of what went wrong and what we can do about it. If that means amongst other things a new manager so be it. Lets keep fingers crossed for the last 6 matches
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Post by geoff321 on Apr 11, 2013 21:24:45 GMT
rob, O.K. in Pulis's case let say scrummaging, rather than speed.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 11, 2013 21:33:25 GMT
Just a quick reply to those people who have commented on my latest post. There are four managers in the Premier League who play an old fashioned type of English game i.e. up and under, and kick it if it moves.lol They are, O'Neill, Allardyce, Moyes and Pulis. They all manage clubs with restricted wage bills. They play that way, in my opinion, to negate the higher skill factor of many of their opponents. In other words stop the opposition playing and build from there. All four managers have enjoyed success. If you put any of those managers in charge at say Chelsea, I think they would mix it up more and play more of a passing and possession style, while still remaining fairly aggressive. In a nutshell I'm saying Pulis and the others keep their sides competitive by recognising they can't match the top clubs for skill, but they can match them for speed, aggression and fight, etc.Just a shame that Tone didn't stick to what he was good at then eh?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2013 21:35:35 GMT
rob, O.K. in Pulis's case let say scrummaging, rather than speed. Geoff, whichever way you slice it Stoke have regressed over the last two seasons for no reason other than mismanagement.
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Post by owdestokie on Apr 11, 2013 21:40:56 GMT
Coates calls for Unity and Bearpit atmosphere
Was PC wrong to ask for this?
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Post by geoff321 on Apr 11, 2013 21:46:14 GMT
Rob, Their league position says they have gone backwards, by how many points, we will know later. Look at these clubs though who thought if they sack a manager or two they would get better. Leeds Blackburn Bolton Wolves Aston Villa Newcastle
Very often the grass is not greener.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 11, 2013 21:49:45 GMT
Geoff...You say that you are a supporter of "Potteries Football".
That is a phrase that John Rudge has used for many years so as to avoid acknowledging that he has absolutely no affection for Stoke City at all and is 100% a Vale man through and through.
You aren't John Rudge are you?
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Post by geoff321 on Apr 11, 2013 22:01:13 GMT
dave, Apart from his looks, I wish I was lol.
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Post by dbstoke on Apr 11, 2013 22:03:43 GMT
I find Coates' statement kind of irritating. You get a lot of über-fans on here as well, calling for the so-called "Bear Pit" to come back, and that the 12th man is no more etc etc etc, blah blah fucking blah!!
It isn't as if the fans choose when they will or won't get a good atmosphere going. It happens when there is a good vibe at the club, and a bit of positivity. So instead of blaming the fans...GIVE US SOMETHING TO GET EXCITED ABOUT IN THE FIRST PLACE!!
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Post by Gary Hackett on Apr 11, 2013 23:09:07 GMT
I'll tell you exactly why Coates has come out with this and it's because Pulis has been moaning to him that his players are losing confidence because the fans are on the players backs. It's just more blame anyone else but himself bile from the manager.
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Post by elystokie on Apr 12, 2013 7:32:38 GMT
Just a quick reply to those people who have commented on my latest post. There are four managers in the Premier League who play an old fashioned type of English game i.e. up and under, and kick it if it moves.lol They are, O'Neill, Allardyce, Moyes and Pulis. They all manage clubs with restricted wage bills. They play that way, in my opinion, to negate the higher skill factor of many of their opponents. In other words stop the opposition playing and build from there. All four managers have enjoyed success. If you put any of those managers in charge at say Chelsea, I think they would mix it up more and play more of a passing and possession style, while still remaining fairly aggressive. In a nutshell I'm saying Pulis and the others keep their sides competitive by recognising they can't match the top clubs for skill, but they can match them for speed, aggression and fight, etc. Strange how none of the clubs that employ those managers 'enjoy' the 'enviable' Wimbledonesque reputation we have for appalling football isn't it? Also strange that those clubs aren't/haven't been last every single week on motd? How on earth do you account for such seemingly unjust discrepancies?
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Post by dozintheseventees on Apr 12, 2013 7:58:04 GMT
Just a quick reply to those people who have commented on my latest post. There are four managers in the Premier League who play an old fashioned type of English game i.e. up and under, and kick it if it moves.lol They are, O'Neill, Allardyce, Moyes and Pulis. They all manage clubs with restricted wage bills. They play that way, in my opinion, to negate the higher skill factor of many of their opponents. In other words stop the opposition playing and build from there. All four managers have enjoyed success. If you put any of those managers in charge at say Chelsea, I think they would mix it up more and play more of a passing and possession style, while still remaining fairly aggressive. In a nutshell I'm saying Pulis and the others keep their sides competitive by recognising they can't match the top clubs for skill, but they can match them for speed, aggression and fight, etc. Strange how none of the clubs that employ those managers 'enjoy' the 'enviable' Wimbledonesque reputation we have for appalling football isn't it? Also strange that those clubs aren't/haven't been last every single week on motd? How on earth do you account for such seemingly unjust discrepancies? Sunderland have been, very nearly, as Godawful to watch as we have this season. West Ham are in just as much trouble as we are and Everton are a much bigger club and much better team than Stoke. So they should be given that Moyes has been there for a very long time and they are far more attractive to prospective signings than we are. Two of the three clubs are bigger, more high profile clubs than Stoke and the third (West Ham) are the medias's darlings, have the 'London Factor' and can usually attract players that we can't. BTW: Both Sunderland and West Ham have spent an absolute shed-load of money on becoming the footballing magicians that they are and Everton have an entire history of top flight football and success behind them. I make no excuses for us because we are clearly bloody awful but so are Sunderland and West Ham. Everton are a damn good team and a very poor example for us to try and measure ourselves by.
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Post by elystokie on Apr 12, 2013 8:03:08 GMT
Strange how none of the clubs that employ those managers 'enjoy' the 'enviable' Wimbledonesque reputation we have for appalling football isn't it? Also strange that those clubs aren't/haven't been last every single week on motd? How on earth do you account for such seemingly unjust discrepancies? Sunderland have been, very nearly, as Godawful to watch as we have this season. West Ham are in just as much trouble as we are and Everton are a much bigger club and much better team than Stoke. So they should be given that Moyes has been there for a very long time and they are far more attractive to prospective signings than we are. Two of the three clubs are bigger, more high profile clubs than Stoke and the third (West Ham) are the medias's darlings, have the 'London Factor' and can usually attract players that we can't. BTW: Both Sunderland and West Ham have spent an absolute shed-load of money on becoming the footballing magicians that they are and Everton have an entire history of top flight football and success behind them. I make no excuses for us because we are clearly bloody awful but so are Sunderland and West Ham. Everton are a damn good team and a very poor example for us to try and measure ourselves by. I'll have to take your word for it that Sunderland have been as awful as us to watch, I don't watch them every week, where are they in the leagues lowest scorers table? They can't be bottom cos we are. So it's a combination of mis-conception and media favouritism that's to blame for our awful reputation and not the way we play? Glad you've cleared that up.
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