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Post by geoff321 on Apr 11, 2013 8:59:04 GMT
"I think we can safely say that Coates and Pulis are singing from the same hymn sheet" Are you seriously suggesting the Chairman should break ranks with the manager, especially at this time of the season. What message would that send to the players and opponents?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2013 9:07:10 GMT
I certainly don't think he's a cunt. There's nothing personal about it. He's just lost the plot, we're in a complete mess and we are heading in the wrong direction. Lets hope Coates has got it right by blindly sticking by him and he's not just standing by, watching us head to the Championship and doing nothing. Getting rid of him this side of the end of the season was always a non starter with someone like Coates who has a history of loyalty to his managers and there is no evidence at all to suggest that a new manager could halt the slide. He is an owner trying a bot of rabble rousing. NOTHING to see here. If you think in the days leading up to the big game he is going start ripping into his manager but say you fans are great (despite singing you're getting sacked in the morning to your own manager) then you're all in cloud cuckoo land. A new Manager may not be able to undo all the damage already done but, as many others have already said, can things really get any worse? That's not a rhetorical question Sheikh, can we really get worse than we currently are? Ignore what Pulis said in the press leading up to the Villa match, it WAS a big game. It was a great opportunity to edge closer to securing survivial and to stick a nail in the coffin of one of the other relegation candidates. Despite the importance of the game, the performance was dire. If that wasn't bad enough, there didn't seem to be any fight, spirit or urgency in the team. That is massively worrying. I don't expect Coates to come out and slate his Manager in the run up to a relegation battle, but the same old "the fans need to be behind the team" message is tiresome and, more importantly, not needed. The fans are, and have been, behind the team, and will continue to do so.
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Post by jarhead on Apr 11, 2013 9:12:06 GMT
Utterly utterly sick of them rolling out this. The sooner both he and Pulis realise that the fans ARE trying to do their bit the better. I think Coates needs to speak to his surrogate son first and put him straight, maybe then, he might realise that it's not purely down to just us, the fans to roar the team across the line. Its simple, If Pulis stops with this stubbornness, picks players on form and in their correct positions, goes out for a win and doesnt sit back shit scared of losing then maybe, just maybe the fans will totally get behind him. Supporting the players was never in question for me, they are sent out to do a job by one man only. We don't pick the bloody team Coates, we dont set out the tactics, we dont buy the damn players and we dont leave players to rot on the bench who might be able to help pull us through this. Until either Coates or Pulis identify where the actual problem is then for me, they can just keep banging out this same cry too little avail. Im sorry but how fucking dare they bring it around for the fans to do their bit when everyone know where the problem lies, well except for two people obviously. Spot on dan
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Post by generationex on Apr 11, 2013 9:14:20 GMT
I don't understand the criticism on here. Coates is asking us to reproduce the bear pit of the first season to try and help us survive.
Is it suggested that's what we've being doing anyway- if so that's clearly crap.
Is it suggested the fans will only support when Coates does what they want - if so you deserve to be relegated.
How is asking for unity at this time so terrible?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Apr 11, 2013 9:14:21 GMT
"I think we can safely say that Coates and Pulis are singing from the same hymn sheet" Are you seriously suggesting the Chairman should break ranks with the manager, especially at this time of the season. What message would that send to the players and opponents? I think you are right - although it seems we are in the minority. If Coates said anything in public which sounded like criticism of the manager at this point in time, he'd be likely to make matters worse rather than better. If we accept (and a majority do seem to accept) that the safest option now, in terms of our survival, is to stick with TP to the end of the season, then criticising him in public will first, make him more likely to be distracted from what he needs to do to keep us up and second, cause the players to question what TP is asking them to do. I suppose some will argue that the players SHOULD question what TP is asking them to do - but the safest option is to try to keep the group as united as possible in the hope that they scrape the points together and limp over the line. It isn't the ideal way to survive but, at this point, it is probably the only way we can survive.
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Post by Ellan Vannin on Apr 11, 2013 9:20:57 GMT
"I think we can safely say that Coates and Pulis are singing from the same hymn sheet" Are you seriously suggesting the Chairman should break ranks with the manager, especially at this time of the season. What message would that send to the players and opponents? I think you are right - although it seems we are in the minority. If Coates said anything in public which sounded like criticism of the manager at this point in time, he'd be likely to make matters worse rather than better. If we accept (and a majority do seem to accept) that the safest option now, in terms of our survival, is to stick with TP to the end of the season, then criticising him in public will first, make him more likely to be distracted from what he needs to do to keep us up and second, cause the players to question what TP is asking them to do. I suppose some will argue that the players SHOULD question what TP is asking them to do - but the safest option is to try to keep the group as united as possible in the hope that they scrape the points together and limp over the line. It isn't the ideal way to survive but, at this point, it is probably the only way we can survive. Not sure a majority do agree it is the safest option. My personal opinion would be it is better to change manager, our points record is so bad no one can do any worse and to have a different perspective going into the last 6 games might prove vital. However I would agree that once the chairman has made the decision to stick with the manager, no matter if that is the wrong decision, then he has to have a united front with that manager.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2013 9:28:43 GMT
I'm so ashamed in the part I've played in probably relegating my club that ive decided to punish myself by not going anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2013 9:30:32 GMT
"I think we can safely say that Coates and Pulis are singing from the same hymn sheet" Are you seriously suggesting the Chairman should break ranks with the manager, especially at this time of the season. What message would that send to the players and opponents? Not directly in that post no. But seeing as though you ask,yes I think he should have "broken ranks with the manager" earlier this week,by telling him to clear his desk and piss off back to Sandbanks,taking his ever useless sidekick Kemp with him. Coates' blind faith in Pulis is going to ultimately end in disaster for this club and he is just as deluded as the capped one and certain sections of our support if he thinks that Pulis is still the man to take our club forward.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Apr 11, 2013 9:36:53 GMT
I think you are right - although it seems we are in the minority. If Coates said anything in public which sounded like criticism of the manager at this point in time, he'd be likely to make matters worse rather than better. If we accept (and a majority do seem to accept) that the safest option now, in terms of our survival, is to stick with TP to the end of the season, then criticising him in public will first, make him more likely to be distracted from what he needs to do to keep us up and second, cause the players to question what TP is asking them to do. I suppose some will argue that the players SHOULD question what TP is asking them to do - but the safest option is to try to keep the group as united as possible in the hope that they scrape the points together and limp over the line. It isn't the ideal way to survive but, at this point, it is probably the only way we can survive. Not sure a majority do agree it is the safest option. My personal opinion would be it is better to change manager, our points record is so bad no one can do any worse and to have a different perspective going into the last 6 games might prove vital. However I would agree that once the chairman has made the decision to stick with the manager, no matter if that is the wrong decision, then he has to have a united front with that manager. Funny how differently people see things. One of the few certainties I have about our current situation, is that a majority of fans think that sticking with the manager to the end of the season is the best option. Obviously the size of the majority decreases with every game we don't win, but that is inevitable! I'm glad we agree that, having decided to stick with the manager (for the present) then Coates has to have a united front with TP.
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Post by blurtonstokie on Apr 11, 2013 9:37:10 GMT
Don't the club still meet the manager(is Tha a wrd to describe pulis) or a meet the chairman night. Surely if the fans jst get 5mins with coates he would understand the fans angst. Sum1 in the chairmans close circle must read this board or at least know what the fans are thinking.
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Post by starkiller on Apr 11, 2013 9:49:08 GMT
All the fans want is a common-sense team selection and approach to get behind.
That is all.
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Post by stokemark on Apr 11, 2013 9:57:02 GMT
I don't understand the criticism on here. Coates is asking us to reproduce the bear pit of the first season to try and help us survive. Is it suggested that's what we've being doing anyway- if so that's clearly crap. Is it suggested the fans will only support when Coates does what they want - if so you deserve to be relegated. How is asking for unity at this time so terrible? I think that the fans (us !) have been pretty amazing when it comes to getting right behind the team given the results and performances recently (and not so recently too) We've been asked for 'unity' how many times now ? Yet we get behind the team every week moreso than I think any other Premier League supporters (despite our pathetic displays) Its not 'terrible' its simply unfair and uncalled for. Its as though its trying to divert the blame and responsibility of our precarious situation onto us. He (PC) needs to be doing all he can to make sure the manager is accountable for his team selections, his performances, his behavious and ultimately his results. He has, Im afraid to say, 'fiddled whilst Rome Burnt'
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Post by foxysgloves on Apr 11, 2013 9:57:44 GMT
I suppose it was inevitable that people would tire of knicker wetting over every single syllable to escape the managers mouth.
Now Coates can't say that the grass is green without the usual suspects going all pre-menstrual.
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Post by geoff321 on Apr 11, 2013 10:02:10 GMT
"All the fans want is a common-sense selection and approach to get behind" The supporters can't pick the team or even try to influence it. The manager sees the players everyday in training, he knows the strengths and weaknesses, their fitness, their attitude etc, etc. In any case do two supporters ever think the same on team selection? Tony Pulis, like most good managers, will stick to his beliefs. He has delivered Premiership football to Stoke, he has not only kept them in this league, but made them respected and feared. At the moment there is a battle to be won. In my opinion, he's the man to win it.
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Post by Paddypotter on Apr 11, 2013 10:05:10 GMT
lol Geoff, you are a one..
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2013 10:11:06 GMT
It is tiresome when we keep being told to get behind the team, but I can only guess that Coates just wants to keep a lid on the discontent by reaffirming the message. It's not going to help the team if mass discontent breaks out at the match, but by failing to acknowledge the fans' real concerns, the likelihood is that large scale protests could break out because that will seem to be the only way for the fans to get their message through.
Communications with the fans have never been a strong point at Stoke - apart from a brief period just after TP & PC returned. The message we're getting now isn't any different to the one we kept getting towards the end of the 1997 relegation season - "support your team because nothing else matters." That went down like a lead balloon at the time just like it is now. Lesson not learned I think.
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Post by geoff321 on Apr 11, 2013 10:11:31 GMT
Hi Paddy, Take it you agree with me then. LOL
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2013 10:12:09 GMT
"All the fans want is a common-sense selection and approach to get behind" The supporters can't pick the team or even try to influence it. The manager sees the players everyday in training, he knows the strengths and weaknesses, their fitness, their attitude etc, etc. In any case do two supporters ever think the same on team selection? Tony Pulis, like most good managers, will stick to his beliefs. He has delivered Premiership football to Stoke, he has not only kept them in this league, but made them respected and feared. At the moment there is a battle to be won. In my opinion, he's the man to win it. Yeah we're really respected and feared arn't we...Jesus wept!!!!!!!
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 11, 2013 10:12:11 GMT
Not sure a majority do agree it is the safest option. My personal opinion would be it is better to change manager, our points record is so bad no one can do any worse and to have a different perspective going into the last 6 games might prove vital. However I would agree that once the chairman has made the decision to stick with the manager, no matter if that is the wrong decision, then he has to have a united front with that manager. Funny how differently people see things. One of the few certainties I have about our current situation, is that a majority of fans think that sticking with the manager to the end of the season is the best option. Obviously the size of the majority decreases with every game we don't win, but that is inevitable! I'm glad we agree that, having decided to stick with the manager (for the present) then Coates has to have a united front with TP. Certainity? Based on what evidence John? It might be true (just) but on the other hand, I wouldn't be in the slightest bit surprised if the majority wanted him gone right now.
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Post by potterpaul on Apr 11, 2013 10:14:11 GMT
"All the fans want is a common-sense selection and approach to get behind" The supporters can't pick the team or even try to influence it. The manager sees the players everyday in training, he knows the strengths and weaknesses, their fitness, their attitude etc, etc. In any case do two supporters ever think the same on team selection? Tony Pulis, like most good managers, will stick to his beliefs. He has delivered Premiership football to Stoke, he has not only kept them in this league, but made them respected and feared. At the moment there is a battle to be won. In my opinion, he's the man to win it. Have you told us who you support yet, I'm pretty sure you've been asked a few times not seen an answer yet.
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Post by fca47 on Apr 11, 2013 10:15:05 GMT
PC should be honest and say the manager and players have to do better. It wouldn't be divisive as it's obvious to everyone. It would get the supporters onside, instead of making them resentful, as they know it is nothing to do with them. They will get behind the team anyway, but it's stupid to pretend that the team playing badly is going to have no effect on the level of support.
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Post by geoff321 on Apr 11, 2013 10:17:05 GMT
Paul, I'm a supporter of Potteries football.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 11, 2013 10:20:26 GMT
I agree it's completely tiresome but what exactly you'd expect to see from the chairman/owner on the Thursday before a big game. You're more likely to see him with pencils up his nose saying 'wibble' than him getting deep down into the nitty gritty of the situation and undermining people. The surprise is anyone gets upset by it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2013 10:25:18 GMT
"All the fans want is a common-sense selection and approach to get behind" The supporters can't pick the team or even try to influence it. The manager sees the players everyday in training, he knows the strengths and weaknesses, their fitness, their attitude etc, etc. In any case do two supporters ever think the same on team selection? Tony Pulis, like most good managers, will stick to his beliefs. He has delivered Premiership football to Stoke, he has not only kept them in this league, but made them respected and feared. At the moment there is a battle to be won. In my opinion, he's the man to win it. Tell ya what,that young Villa side were shitting bricks at the thought of facing us last weekend. So much so that they came here,played us off the park and were unlucky not to go away with a more handsome victory. Respected and feared? Not a chance anymore. This manager who you think is still the man to lead us to safety has turned us into a team that can only be described as a "rabble". We lack any of the traits of a respected and feared team, and you can bet that all our relegation rivals who we still have to play will have targeted their games against us as 3 points towards their own safety targets.
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Post by geoff321 on Apr 11, 2013 10:43:47 GMT
"This manager who you think is still the man to lead us to safety has turned us into a team that can only be described as a rabble" I always think die hard supporters lose a sense of reality when it comes to their team. When they are winning, they overstate their teams performances, and when they are losing the opposite happens. In my view Stoke won't go down and Tony Pulis should be given at least one more season to get the team back on track. He will know better than anyone that the last few months have not been acceptable, in terms of results and performances. Don't panic though, that would be the worst thing the club could do.
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Post by jonnybravo on Apr 11, 2013 10:48:38 GMT
So he's blaming fans for the poor atmosphere! Peter if pulis gave us something shout about we would
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Post by johnsmithsupper on Apr 11, 2013 10:58:41 GMT
Joke comments im afraid, surely he must accept the supporters have been brilliant in the circumstances and football on show. The chairman is very lucky there havent been scenes of unrest before the villa game imho because of his lack of action.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Apr 11, 2013 11:11:58 GMT
"This manager who you think is still the man to lead us to safety has turned us into a team that can only be described as a rabble" I always think die hard supporters lose a sense of reality when it comes to their team. When they are winning, they overstate their teams performances, and when they are losing the opposite happens. In my view Stoke won't go down and Tony Pulis should be given at least one more season to get the team back on track. He will know better than anyone that the last few months have not been acceptable, in terms of results and performances. Don't panic though, that would be the worst thing the club could do. Actually Geoff you are wrong on pretty much every level. We so called die hard supporters have in the main stated since the beginning of last season that our performances were poor to bloody awful to watch. Even pre Christmas this year, despite the 10 match un beaten for many of us it was hard to watch. Lowest scorers for two years running tells its own story which has worried many a die hard supporter for a long time. This is no knee jerk reaction and I resent any inference of that. This has been a slow car crash in motion that looks to me like it is heading straight in to the 100 foot high brick wall even though we had 2 season to take another road I have supported the man and gave him my support despite his first term. However, if it was up to me, I would not give him one more hour, let alone one more season
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2013 11:20:55 GMT
PC is the only bloke in the world more stubborn than Tone. Its a relationship that is damaging the football club. This will only end one way and it won't be pretty. I have a terrible feeling that PC's legacy and all the good will that has been generated since he took the club back over is about to go down the pan. That for me would be a real shame. If Coates wants to put everything at risk over his loyalty to a man who has been out of his depth for 18 months than for me that's really sad.
I hope I am wrong but this could get very, very ugly.The fans have been more than patient and in the circumstances quite magnificent. We've been here before and it all ended in tears. I really hope PC sees the light, we stay up and Pulis goes, that for me is the best scenario, the worst case scenario is too painful to contemplate.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2013 11:21:18 GMT
1) Coates hasn't blamed the fans ANYWHERE in that article for the trouble we're in 2) He actually states he agrees we're on a terrible run 3) Chairman thinks that fans reigniting the atmosphere we used to have may spur players on shock exclusive!!!
as per usual though the same people as bloody always jump on anything that comes out of the mouth of ANYONE connected to the club to read what they want to into it so we can turn it into another Pulis out thread.
i want Pulis gone as well but to make some of the assumptions that some have on here about his comments just shows the paranoia, the vitriol and the complete lack of common sense that some have and what lengths they'll go to to maintain their agenda.
Coates actually says that regardless of where the blame lies it might just help if we ignore that right at this exact moment (not for ever and ever Amen but just for now until we get to safety) and forget about petty agendas to get rid of Pulis and just roar them on for 90 minutes regardless of how we set up, who is chosen etc. and instead of spending our energy booing Pulis, whinging about Pulis in the stands just ignore that (whether we like it or not Coates has said he's staying until the season finishes at least so it won't achieve anything now anyway...pretty sure he already knows the fans viewpoint already!) and carry on cheering for the team instead of going dead as a dodo even if we're playing shit
Coates is a fan and always has been, he can't give Pulis money now to get us out of it, he obviously thinks (rightly or wrongly) that getting rid now is too much of a gamble with 6 games left (and we won't change that by slating Pulis on the terraces) so basically the only thing we have left is us....basically he's just saying they'll do what they can on the pitch to stay up, Pulis will do what his ability allows him to (which won't add a lot to the pot admittedly) so we need to as well
absolutely piss all wrong with what Coates has said but as per usual people on here completely misrepresent what he's said, read things into it that aren't there, put 2 and 2 together to come up with whatever suits them and slags the Chariman off for simply asking the fans to do what they can.....and anyone says we always do is talking rubbish, it's been like a pissing morgue for weeks now and yes, that's down to the manager but he knows what we think already, message has been received so now just get back to roaring them on.bugger Pulis baiting for whatever reasons at the game, we've got 6 games left that's all, it's time to throw the bloody kitchen sink at it now and that includes putting the sniping, whinging and booing aside at matchdays (we can do that her to our hearts content to get it out of our system) and making sure we go home with no voices for the right reasons i.e. we've roared our bollocks off!!!
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