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Post by philm87 on Jan 20, 2013 11:52:53 GMT
According to Tone in his interview yesterday. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21104175He basically says that if a deal is on the table which is 'right for the football club' and 'right for the player' then it can go ahead. At no point does he rule out selling Kenwyne. BUT... He says no one at Swansea has spoken to him about it and seems to imply there has been no formal offer. He says Kenwyne has never come to him asking to leave. He implies that the player decides (dictates terms in his words) and so it is basically up to Kenwyne whether he stays or goes. He says we are 'miles away' from being in a position where there is a decent offer on the table that is right for all parties. It's a riddle of contradictions but the impression I got overall was that he doesn't think we will be selling Kenwyne unless Kenwyne himself is determined to leave and Swansea are willing to break their transfer record to sign him. I think there is at least a 70% chance he will still be a Stoke player by the end of January.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jan 20, 2013 11:56:28 GMT
Surely given the form of Crouch and the form of Kenwyne, Tone should just say that he isn't for sale.
We know Swansea can't make us an offer that's too good to refuse so we're basically just waiting for one "that'll do".
If we sell him to the Jacks given the form of our other strikers it's fucking lunacy.
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Post by Gods on Jan 20, 2013 11:59:29 GMT
Extraordinairy ramble wasn't it? He Even through Van Persie's name in to the fray at one point in the context of every player has their price.
In the end, cutting thrOugh all the psycho-babble, I read it as a message to the football world via the BBC of "make the offer right and KJ is yours".
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Post by philm87 on Jan 20, 2013 12:00:27 GMT
Surely given the form of Crouch and the form of Kenwyne, Tone should just say that he isn't for sale. We know Swansea can't make us an offer that's too good to refuse so we're basically just waiting for one "that'll do". If we sell him to the Jacks given the form of our other strikers it's fucking lunacy. Agreed. I'm just hoping if we can get through the next 10 days or so without doing anything stupid then this loss of form will not continue too long.
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Post by philm87 on Jan 20, 2013 12:02:35 GMT
Extraordinairy ramble wasn't it? He Even through Van Persie's name in to the fray at one point in the context of every player has their price. In the end, cutting thrOugh all the psycho-babble, I read it as a message to the football world via the BBC of "make the offer right and KJ is yours". I read it more along the lines of 'I don't really know what's going on... Kenywne can leave if he really wants but only if Swansea are willing to pay up and I don't reckon they will...' Maybe I'm being just a tad optimistic then?
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Post by skip on Jan 20, 2013 12:03:36 GMT
It's at times likes this that I think Pulis is a proper ****y man manager.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jan 20, 2013 12:04:19 GMT
Extraordinairy ramble wasn't it? He Even through Van Persie's name in to the fray at one point in the context of every player has their price. In the end, cutting thrOugh all the psycho-babble, I read it as a message to the football world via the BBC of "make the offer right and KJ is yours". That's how I see it, Gods and I can't work it out at all.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 20, 2013 12:04:44 GMT
It's probably a bit more straightforward than people are making out isn't it? It doesn't look like a new contract is ever going to be put on the table so in that respect he is very much for sale. The bean counters have done their figures and £4.5M is seen as good business this window. It's basically coming to its natural conclusion, if no one bids that, a new price will be calculated in the Summer.
The danger of the strategy is someone meets the valuation on 31st Jan and we're stuck with what we have.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 20, 2013 12:05:49 GMT
According to Tone in his interview yesterday. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21104175He basically says that if a deal is on the table which is 'right for the football club' and 'right for the player' then it can go ahead. At no point does he rule out selling Kenwyne. BUT... He says no one at Swansea has spoken to him about it and seems to imply there has been no formal offer. He says Kenwyne has never come to him asking to leave. He implies that the player decides (dictates terms in his words) and so it is basically up to Kenwyne whether he stays or goes. He says we are 'miles away' from being in a position where there is a decent offer on the table that is right for all parties. It's a riddle of contradictions but the impression I got overall was that he doesn't think we will be selling Kenwyne unless Kenwyne himself is determined to leave and Swansea are willing to break their transfer record to sign him. I think there is at least a 70% chance he will still be a Stoke player by the end of January. Oh he's full of bullshit contradictions alright Phil, from his Sky interview around the same time ... "There is an offer there and it's around about what the club would expect, but I've said to the player if you don't want to leave mate, then you can stay, and he wants to stay."
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2013 12:05:53 GMT
I think we will go down if we sell him
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jan 20, 2013 12:06:08 GMT
It's probably a bit more straightforward than people are making out isn't it? It doesn't look like a new contract is ever going to be put on the table so in that respect he is very much for sale. The bean counters have done their figures and £4.5M is seen as good business this window. It's basically coming to its natural conclusion, if no one bids that, a new price will be calculated in the Summer. The danger of the strategy is someone meets the valuation on 31st Jan and we're stuck with what we have. I think there could be some truth in that mate coupled with the fact Tone has probably been told to generate some of his own kitty and KJ is the only saleable asset he would be prepared to lose.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jan 20, 2013 12:10:49 GMT
It's probably a bit more straightforward than people are making out isn't it? It doesn't look like a new contract is ever going to be put on the table so in that respect he is very much for sale. The bean counters have done their figures and £4.5M is seen as good business this window. It's basically coming to its natural conclusion, if no one bids that, a new price will be calculated in the Summer. The danger of the strategy is someone meets the valuation on 31st Jan and we're stuck with what we have. I think there could be some truth in that mate coupled with the fact Tone has probably been told to generate some of his own kitty and KJ is the only saleable asset he would be prepared to lose. I wonder what his stance would have been if the offer had been for Walters? ???
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jan 20, 2013 12:12:37 GMT
i think kenwyne's salary is the problem and we cant afford to pay the same level when it expires.
Although having said that if Swansea dont have money how can they afford the 40k per week hes supposedly on?
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Post by sufolkstokie on Jan 20, 2013 12:13:20 GMT
Extraordinairy ramble wasn't it? He Even through Van Persie's name in to the fray at one point in the context of every player has their price. In the end, cutting thrOugh all the psycho-babble, I read it as a message to the football world via the BBC of "make the offer right and KJ is yours". He 100% put him in the shop window.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jan 20, 2013 12:14:40 GMT
i think kenwyne's salary is the problem and we cant afford to pay the same level when it expires. Although having said that if Swansea dont have money how can they afford the 40k per week hes supposedly on? Thing is he's not even the best paid player at the club anymore.
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Post by skip on Jan 20, 2013 12:16:10 GMT
pissing hell, who's on more than 40k pw?
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jan 20, 2013 12:17:18 GMT
pissing hell, who's on more than 40k pw? Crouch and Huth for two. Ryan is now on at least that and I think Bego won't be far off either after his new deal.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jan 20, 2013 12:17:31 GMT
i think kenwyne's salary is the problem and we cant afford to pay the same level when it expires. Although having said that if Swansea dont have money how can they afford the 40k per week hes supposedly on? Thing is he's not even the best paid player at the club anymore. And there is the extra money next season. Though no doubt all players will be looking for a slice of that.
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Post by skip on Jan 20, 2013 12:19:08 GMT
pissing hell, who's on more than 40k pw? Crouch and Huth for two. Ryan is now on at least that and I think Bego won't be far off either after his new deal. blimey I'm naive.
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Post by philm87 on Jan 20, 2013 12:19:23 GMT
According to Tone in his interview yesterday. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21104175He basically says that if a deal is on the table which is 'right for the football club' and 'right for the player' then it can go ahead. At no point does he rule out selling Kenwyne. BUT... He says no one at Swansea has spoken to him about it and seems to imply there has been no formal offer. He says Kenwyne has never come to him asking to leave. He implies that the player decides (dictates terms in his words) and so it is basically up to Kenwyne whether he stays or goes. He says we are 'miles away' from being in a position where there is a decent offer on the table that is right for all parties. It's a riddle of contradictions but the impression I got overall was that he doesn't think we will be selling Kenwyne unless Kenwyne himself is determined to leave and Swansea are willing to break their transfer record to sign him. I think there is at least a 70% chance he will still be a Stoke player by the end of January. Oh he's full of bullshit contradictions alright Phil, from his Sky interview around the same time ... "There is an offer there and it's around about what the club would expect, but I've said to the player if you don't want to leave mate, then you can stay, and he wants to stay."
When did he say that? Yeah that completely contradicts what he told the Beeb yesterday. Does he actually have a strategy here or is he making it up as he goes along? Hopefully Kenwyne will decide he wants to stay and his recent run of form will convince TP that he is our best option leading the line.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 20, 2013 12:20:56 GMT
i think kenwyne's salary is the problem and we cant afford to pay the same level when it expires. Although having said that if Swansea dont have money how can they afford the 40k per week hes supposedly on? I think the salary thing is a complete red herring. His contract runs out in 18 months and his new contract will only be worth what somebody is prepared to pay him. I don't think there any other potential suitors out there would be financially able to offer him more than we would, if we wanted to. Thing is we don't want to.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jan 20, 2013 12:21:02 GMT
Crouch and Huth for two. Ryan is now on at least that and I think Bego won't be far off either after his new deal. blimey I'm naive. It is hard to think that they are the numbers we're dealing with mate after what we were used to in the not so distance past.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 20, 2013 12:23:36 GMT
It's probably a bit more straightforward than people are making out isn't it? It doesn't look like a new contract is ever going to be put on the table so in that respect he is very much for sale. The bean counters have done their figures and £4.5M is seen as good business this window. It's basically coming to its natural conclusion, if no one bids that, a new price will be calculated in the Summer. The danger of the strategy is someone meets the valuation on 31st Jan and we're stuck with what we have. I think there could be some truth in that mate coupled with the fact Tone has probably been told to generate some of his own kitty and KJ is the only saleable asset he would be prepared to lose. Problem is 4.5M (or say £3M in the summer) doesn't really replace him does it, unless you have an overseas scouting network or buy Bobby Zamora
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jan 20, 2013 12:25:03 GMT
I think there could be some truth in that mate coupled with the fact Tone has probably been told to generate some of his own kitty and KJ is the only saleable asset he would be prepared to lose. Problem is 4.5M (or say £3M in the summer) doesn't really replace him does it, unless you have an overseas scouting network or buy Bobby Zamora Totally agree, mate. Of course it could all work out and he's got someone who fits us like a glove but he hasn't been doing that lately (N'Zonzi aside).
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 20, 2013 12:26:24 GMT
According to Tone in his interview yesterday. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21104175He basically says that if a deal is on the table which is 'right for the football club' and 'right for the player' then it can go ahead. At no point does he rule out selling Kenwyne. BUT... He says no one at Swansea has spoken to him about it and seems to imply there has been no formal offer. He says Kenwyne has never come to him asking to leave. He implies that the player decides (dictates terms in his words) and so it is basically up to Kenwyne whether he stays or goes. He says we are 'miles away' from being in a position where there is a decent offer on the table that is right for all parties. It's a riddle of contradictions but the impression I got overall was that he doesn't think we will be selling Kenwyne unless Kenwyne himself is determined to leave and Swansea are willing to break their transfer record to sign him. I think there is at least a 70% chance he will still be a Stoke player by the end of January. Oh he's full of bullshit contradictions alright Phil, from his Sky interview around the same time ... "There is an offer there and it's around about what the club would expect, but I've said to the player if you don't want to leave mate, then you can stay, and he wants to stay."
Isn't he on about another player in those quotes, Paul? He seems to move off KJ, then talk about a different bid? www.walesonline.co.uk/footballnation/swanseacityfc/swansea-city-fc/2013/01/19/91466-32637006/
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 20, 2013 12:26:54 GMT
Oh he's full of bullshit contradictions alright Phil, from his Sky interview around the same time ... "There is an offer there and it's around about what the club would expect, but I've said to the player if you don't want to leave mate, then you can stay, and he wants to stay."
When did he say that? Yeah that completely contradicts what he told the Beeb yesterday. Does he actually have a strategy here or is he making it up as he goes along? Hopefully Kenwyne will decide he wants to stay and his recent run of form will convince TP that he is our best option leading the line. He says it here mate ... www1.skysports.com/football/news/12691/8413986/Tony-Pulis-has-admitted-that-striker-Kenwyne-Jones-may-be-leaving-Stoke-CityThing is about the BBC interview that you saw mate, he's done this sort of thing before and it shows a complete lack of respect to the guy interviewing him and even less respect for the supporters who (like you) are listening to what he has to say. When he says "nobody from Swansea has spoken to me about Kenwyne" he thinks he's being clever - he doesn't actually say that nobody from Swansea has spoken to Stoke/Scholes/the club does he? I don't thing it makes him look clever at all, completely the opposite actually.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 20, 2013 12:29:47 GMT
Oh he's full of bullshit contradictions alright Phil, from his Sky interview around the same time ... "There is an offer there and it's around about what the club would expect, but I've said to the player if you don't want to leave mate, then you can stay, and he wants to stay."
Isn't he on about another player in those quotes, Paul? He seems to move off KJ, then talk about a different bid? www.walesonline.co.uk/footballnation/swanseacityfc/swansea-city-fc/2013/01/19/91466-32637006/No mate he's clearly talking about Kenwyne - I've provided the link above. As I said - he's full of bullshit contradictions. In that report that you've linked it does seem like he means something else mate - who knows, he needs to get his story straight.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jan 20, 2013 12:30:17 GMT
When did he say that? Yeah that completely contradicts what he told the Beeb yesterday. Does he actually have a strategy here or is he making it up as he goes along? Hopefully Kenwyne will decide he wants to stay and his recent run of form will convince TP that he is our best option leading the line. He says it here mate ... www1.skysports.com/football/news/12691/8413986/Tony-Pulis-has-admitted-that-striker-Kenwyne-Jones-may-be-leaving-Stoke-CityThing is about the BBC interview that you saw mate, he's done this sort of thing before and it shows a complete lack of respect to the guy interviewing him and even less respect for the supporters who (like you) are listening to what he has to say. When he says "nobody from Swansea has spoken to me about Kenwyne" he thinks he's being clever - he doesn't actually say that nobody from Swansea has spoken to Stoke/Scholes/the club does he? I don't thing it makes him look clever at all, completely the opposite actually. Maybe it hints at a split between the Board and manager?
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jan 20, 2013 12:30:45 GMT
but all managers say that kind of bullshit to keep it all cloak and daggers
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Post by philm87 on Jan 20, 2013 12:31:27 GMT
When did he say that? Yeah that completely contradicts what he told the Beeb yesterday. Does he actually have a strategy here or is he making it up as he goes along? Hopefully Kenwyne will decide he wants to stay and his recent run of form will convince TP that he is our best option leading the line. He says it here mate ... www1.skysports.com/football/news/12691/8413986/Tony-Pulis-has-admitted-that-striker-Kenwyne-Jones-may-be-leaving-Stoke-CityThing is about the BBC interview that you saw mate, he's done this sort of thing before and it shows a complete lack of respect to the guy interviewing him and even less respect for the supporters who (like you) are listening to what he has to say. When he says "nobody from Swansea has spoken to me about Kenwyne" he thinks he's being clever - he doesn't actually say that nobody from Swansea has spoken to Stoke/Scholes/the club does he? I don't thing it makes him look clever at all, completely the opposite actually. I don't really know what to make of it all. Usually I take most of what he says with a pinch of salt. What both interviews have in common is that he is saying... it's now up to Kenwyne. Hopefully Kenny will decide to stay.
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