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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 20, 2013 12:33:25 GMT
He says it here mate ... www1.skysports.com/football/news/12691/8413986/Tony-Pulis-has-admitted-that-striker-Kenwyne-Jones-may-be-leaving-Stoke-CityThing is about the BBC interview that you saw mate, he's done this sort of thing before and it shows a complete lack of respect to the guy interviewing him and even less respect for the supporters who (like you) are listening to what he has to say. When he says "nobody from Swansea has spoken to me about Kenwyne" he thinks he's being clever - he doesn't actually say that nobody from Swansea has spoken to Stoke/Scholes/the club does he? I don't thing it makes him look clever at all, completely the opposite actually. Maybe it hints at a split between the Board and manager? I don't think he's hinting at that mate. I just think he's trying to be clever by saying that nobody has spoken to him about Kenwyne - it shows a lack of respect for the interviewer and the supporters, it's not clever at all.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jan 20, 2013 12:33:43 GMT
He says it here mate ... www1.skysports.com/football/news/12691/8413986/Tony-Pulis-has-admitted-that-striker-Kenwyne-Jones-may-be-leaving-Stoke-CityThing is about the BBC interview that you saw mate, he's done this sort of thing before and it shows a complete lack of respect to the guy interviewing him and even less respect for the supporters who (like you) are listening to what he has to say. When he says "nobody from Swansea has spoken to me about Kenwyne" he thinks he's being clever - he doesn't actually say that nobody from Swansea has spoken to Stoke/Scholes/the club does he? I don't thing it makes him look clever at all, completely the opposite actually. I don't really know what to make of it all. Usually I take most of what he says with a pinch of salt. What both interviews have in common is that he is saying... it's now up to Kenwyne. Hopefully Kenny will decide to stay. You don't tend to see players stay when they've been effectively told to "fuck off" though. If we accept an offer and Swansea can stump up the wages, KJ will leave.
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Post by Dingdangdoo on Jan 20, 2013 12:57:55 GMT
no one on here knows the deal Kenwyne is on and perhaps if hes asked for an extension......
perhaps Stoke know the terms he will want and are prepared to cash in at the right price......
strange how similar has happened with him elsewhere......
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jan 20, 2013 13:01:01 GMT
no one on here knows the deal Kenwyne is on and perhaps if hes asked for an extension...... perhaps Stoke know the terms he will want and are prepared to cash in at the right price...... strange how similar has happened with him elsewhere...... Thing is though, he's got 18 months left and we're about to get a total shit load of extra cash in the summer. We don't need to sell our (on current form) best player and certainly not for three fucking million quid.
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Post by stockportstokie on Jan 20, 2013 13:06:11 GMT
He lets slip right at the end that he's leaving.
Something has definitely gone on, Pulis was really struggling to spin the situation. Not often does Pulis talk himself into a corner, he did and totally contradicted himself as a result.
Whats gone on then? Long standing row between TP & Jones?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2013 18:13:36 GMT
Would you barely played dropped for scoring no merit in selection team above with internationally respected coach wants you .
It goes thanks baseball boy but play your games with someone else
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Post by jonnynico on Jan 20, 2013 18:24:55 GMT
Don't stoke still have to pay sunderland some cash, i thought we had to pay 2mil a year for 4 years.
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Post by rita sue and danny pugh on Jan 20, 2013 19:51:16 GMT
if he wants to go let him go ,and try and sign lambert from southampton
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Post by KyleLightbulb on Jan 20, 2013 20:08:12 GMT
There is a blindingly obvious reason why we're looking at selling Kenwyne that I don't think has been touched on yet (apologies if it has)
It was very well publicised when KJ moved here that Sunderland would be covering part of his wages for the duration of his Sunderland contract, hence why we were able to afford him. Whilst we've been willing to offset wages with large signing on fee's for the likes of Crouch so that they'd fit in our wage structure.
The management has obviously decided that they don't want to do that for KJ and as such are going to take what they can for him now, rather than let him depreciate in value.
Ridiculous decision mind.
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Post by stockportstokie on Jan 20, 2013 20:21:17 GMT
There is a blindingly obvious reason why we're looking at selling Kenwyne that I don't think has been touched on yet (apologies if it has) It was very well publicised when KJ moved here that Sunderland would be covering part of his wages for the duration of his Sunderland contract, hence why we were able to afford him. Whilst we've been willing to offset wages with large signing on fee's for the likes of Crouch so that they'd fit in our wage structure. The management has obviously decided that they don't want to do that for KJ and as such are going to take what they can for him now, rather than let him depreciate in value. Ridiculous decision mind. That theory falls down because Swansea wouldn't offer him the Sunderland percentage on top of what we're paying him, they couldn't come close to remotely matching the figure either. So if he goes to Swansea then he's essentially going to have to take a pay cut. Which begs the question if he's willing to go to take a pay-cut to go to Swansea, why isn't he seemingly prepared to take a pay-cut to extend his time here? It's one of two, (a) Pulis has got designs on moving him on to make way for a replacement. Or (b) KJ has hinted he won't sign an extension an the club are cashing in on him whilst he still commands value. In which case that still doesn't explain why he'd rather leave for a lower wage than remain here. The obvious conclusion to draw is that he realises Pulis is a cunt
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Post by KyleLightbulb on Jan 20, 2013 20:29:07 GMT
There is a blindingly obvious reason why we're looking at selling Kenwyne that I don't think has been touched on yet (apologies if it has) It was very well publicised when KJ moved here that Sunderland would be covering part of his wages for the duration of his Sunderland contract, hence why we were able to afford him. Whilst we've been willing to offset wages with large signing on fee's for the likes of Crouch so that they'd fit in our wage structure. The management has obviously decided that they don't want to do that for KJ and as such are going to take what they can for him now, rather than let him depreciate in value. Ridiculous decision mind. That theory falls down because Swansea wouldn't offer him the Sunderland percentage on top of what we're paying him, they couldn't come close to remotely matching the figure either. So if he goes to Swansea then he's essentially going to have to take a pay cut. Which begs the question if he's willing to go to take a pay-cut to go to Swansea, why isn't he seemingly prepared to take a pay-cut to extend his time here? It's one of two, (a) Pulis has got designs on moving him on to make way for a replacement. Or (b) KJ has hinted he won't sign an extension an the club are cashing in on him whilst he still commands value. In which case that still doesn't explain why he'd rather leave for a lower wage than remain here. The obvious conclusion to draw is that he realises Pulis is a cunt They wouldn't need too though, just match our basic and a handsome signing on fee, with increased TV money coming and the proceeds from Sinclairs sale I think it's certainly plausible
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Post by stockportstokie on Jan 20, 2013 20:35:28 GMT
That theory falls down because Swansea wouldn't offer him the Sunderland percentage on top of what we're paying him, they couldn't come close to remotely matching the figure either. So if he goes to Swansea then he's essentially going to have to take a pay cut. Which begs the question if he's willing to go to take a pay-cut to go to Swansea, why isn't he seemingly prepared to take a pay-cut to extend his time here? It's one of two, (a) Pulis has got designs on moving him on to make way for a replacement. Or (b) KJ has hinted he won't sign an extension an the club are cashing in on him whilst he still commands value. In which case that still doesn't explain why he'd rather leave for a lower wage than remain here. The obvious conclusion to draw is that he realises Pulis is a cunt They wouldn't need too though, just match our basic and a handsome signing on fee, with increased TV money coming and the proceeds from Sinclairs sale I think it's certainly plausible They run a far tighter ship than us. We could offer KJ a wage far in excess of what Swansea can feasibly offer him, signing on fee included. So if he isn't leaving for money, surely it can only be seen as a snub on the club or more specifically Pulis... Or is it all part of the master-plan and we're bringing in someone worldy as his replacement??
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Post by roylandstoke on Jan 20, 2013 20:43:48 GMT
They wouldn't need too though, just match our basic and a handsome signing on fee, with increased TV money coming and the proceeds from Sinclairs sale I think it's certainly plausible They run a far tighter ship than us. We could offer KJ a wage far in excess of what Swansea can feasibly offer him, signing on fee included. So if he isn't leaving for money, surely it can only be seen as a snub on the club or more specifically Pulis... Or is it all part of the master-plan and we're bringing in someone worldy as his replacement?? He's here already. Step up "Former England Legend", Michael Owen!
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 20, 2013 23:03:39 GMT
That theory falls down because Swansea wouldn't offer him the Sunderland percentage on top of what we're paying him, they couldn't come close to remotely matching the figure either. So if he goes to Swansea then he's essentially going to have to take a pay cut. Which begs the question if he's willing to go to take a pay-cut to go to Swansea, why isn't he seemingly prepared to take a pay-cut to extend his time here? It's one of two, (a) Pulis has got designs on moving him on to make way for a replacement. Or (b) KJ has hinted he won't sign an extension an the club are cashing in on him whilst he still commands value. In which case that still doesn't explain why he'd rather leave for a lower wage than remain here. The obvious conclusion to draw is that he realises Pulis is a cunt They wouldn't need too though, just match our basic and a handsome signing on fee, with increased TV money coming and the proceeds from Sinclairs sale I think it's certainly plausible What you're suggesting doesn't make any sense at all. His next contract will be worth what somebody is prepared to pay him. There's no way Swansea are going to be able to pay him more than we could. If we wanted to keep him, then we'd be able to. Hence, there's only one thing that is 'blindingly obvious' fella ...
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Post by Maccca100 on Jan 20, 2013 23:05:38 GMT
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Post by cmc89 on Jan 20, 2013 23:14:04 GMT
I hate to say it, but if he's refusing to talk contract extensions, wants to leave and we have a suitable replacement lined up then £5mil may be reasonable. Not something any fan really wants though
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jan 20, 2013 23:15:35 GMT
I hate to say it, but if he's refusing to talk contract extensions, wants to leave and we have a suitable replacement lined up then £5mil may be reasonable. Not something any fan really wants though Only thing is we haven't offered him a new deal and it appears he doesn't actually want to go. The club have definitely decided he is the one to go and are now engineering his move away.
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Post by jarhead on Jan 20, 2013 23:20:51 GMT
What a fuckin shambles.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2013 23:26:01 GMT
A real shame if he leaves.
He was touted as a player who was made for us when he signed, and if you look at how difficult it is for any player to rack up the goals in a Pulis side, I don't think he's let us down overall.
Short of a young Fuller-like replacement, it's difficult to see how we can get a better more tailor-made player for us than Kenwyne is.
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Post by coxeymcqueen on Jan 20, 2013 23:28:16 GMT
He's currently posting pics on twitter of himself in stoke kit.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2013 23:28:18 GMT
The daily mail like most red tops should come with pre-printed serrated lines so you can tear it into parallel strips with words to the effect
'wipe your arse from this end'
because that is all its good for
And, a handy tip for the rest of the transfer window
they (pundits or journos) will have absolutely no fucking idea of what Stoke City's valuation of Kenwyne Jones actually is
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Post by stockportstokie on Jan 20, 2013 23:31:22 GMT
I can't believe we'd be willing to sell in this window if Jones had shown interest in a new deal. I think we're cashing in while we can personally, Jones isn't happy and it's obviously not a money issue.
The club are further suffering financially thanks to Pulis ways, we've lost a key player for next to nothing and a viable replacement won't be cheap going on past precedent.
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Post by nico007 on Jan 20, 2013 23:33:44 GMT
He's currently posting pics on twitter of himself in stoke kit. seen them mate looks like a farewell to kj
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Post by roylandstoke on Jan 20, 2013 23:36:04 GMT
We value Peter Crouch at £10M and Jones at half that.
If true; madness.
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Post by spitthedog on Jan 20, 2013 23:36:09 GMT
We are being misled by the management again!
He is not happy because he is being squeezed out and the club are making out it is up to him.
Who would be happy with that?
TP has done this before. Sorry but the guy is two faced.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jan 20, 2013 23:37:06 GMT
Crouch and Adam against Citeh then.
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Post by jarhead on Jan 20, 2013 23:38:13 GMT
We are being misled by the management again! He is not happy because he is being squeezed out and the club are making out it is up to him. Who would be happy with that? TP has done this before. Sorry but the guy is two faced. correct. He(Dulis) is a horrible horrible man.
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Post by alexk on Jan 20, 2013 23:38:29 GMT
Pulis is signing his own death warrant here.
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Post by jarhead on Jan 20, 2013 23:38:45 GMT
Crouch and Adam against Citeh then. God help us! ITV it is then.
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Post by spitthedog on Jan 20, 2013 23:40:37 GMT
I wouldn't believe TP as far as I could spit.
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