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Post by padders01 on Oct 16, 2012 21:51:57 GMT
Whats all this looking at football reasons? Pennant could not stay sober and staying sober and fit to play/train is the minimum requirement for any footballer Without personal discipline (after repeated warnings), talent is meaningless Well according to the man himself that is complete bollocks
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Post by jbdotco on Oct 16, 2012 21:55:06 GMT
Pennant, if you're reading. Delete your Twitter account, scrub your daft tattoos off and just play football for fuck's sake.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Oct 16, 2012 21:55:44 GMT
looks like Jermaine has been reading the thread..... jermaine pennant Joules_pennant Just seen on the oatcake forum and people are suggesting I'm on loan cos of disciplinary reasons? Not in slightest I've upset nobody at all. jermaine pennant Joules_pennant So I would appreciate it if you would stop jumping to conclusions and suggesting I've done this and that attitude blah blah no conclusions jumped to
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2012 21:57:23 GMT
The problem is Jermaine past reputations tend to stick.
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Post by oceans11 on Oct 16, 2012 21:57:58 GMT
Hi Jermaine
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Post by AlanHansen on Oct 16, 2012 22:12:45 GMT
Acknowledged JP on the train this morning as he travelled to training at Wolves.
He wouldn't waste his time trying to put the record straight if it wasn't the truth. As he suggests TP feels there are three better wingers at the club at the moment. We'd I'm sure argue differently.
Thank Christ Shotton wasn't added as a fourth.... hopefully we'll see JP back at the Brit some time soon.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2012 22:13:45 GMT
If he is indeed reading this I hope he is picking out all the positive stuff too and realises
that there are lots of even handed stoke fans looking forward to him playing regularly again for us, and soon !
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Post by ColonelMustard on Oct 16, 2012 22:14:56 GMT
never quoted myself before but Is it not possible that Pennant is fourth choice in Tp's mind (he's always been behind Ethers and Walters) and with no cup games until Jan Pulis wants him to get games but wants to keep him around in case of injury? jermaine pennant Joules_pennant So I repeat my self there has been no fall out I have not upset or done any wrong 3 players in the managers eyes ahead of me simple. edit - I'll also add that I hope to see him in a Stoke shirt again
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 16, 2012 22:23:52 GMT
looks like Jermaine has been reading the thread..... jermaine pennant Joules_pennant Just seen on the oatcake forum and people are suggesting I'm on loan cos of disciplinary reasons? Not in slightest I've upset nobody at all. jermaine pennant Joules_pennant So I would appreciate it if you would stop jumping to conclusions and suggesting I've done this and that attitude blah blah Does RAF owe Pulis an apology then. I'm sure it will be forthcoming in a humble style
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Post by stokeramblers on Oct 16, 2012 23:16:16 GMT
Not sure I like the idea of players frequenting the board Oh Haiiii, Jermaine, didn't see you there. Hurry back now
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Post by rubyonrails on Oct 17, 2012 1:57:58 GMT
You know there is something ironically fuckwitted about someone that bangs the drum about how managerial decisons should be made and what a great manager Pulis is and what a bad lad Pennant is but has 'Fuck Authority' on his/her avatar. Splendiferishly cuntish in the extreme. H Yes H, could that be the same person who was slagging people off for using illegal live streams I wonder? he seems to have made quite a reputation for himself in the 3 months of posting. Oh for pity's sake Menorca you big woman. If you're going to slag me at least quote me correctly. I've never slagged people off for using live streams - I use them myself! I was slightly amused by the facts that: a) some people seem happy to pay for streams, when you can get them for free if you spend 5 minutes looking for them b) the same people wanting refunds for an illegal service when it goes tits up was amusing to me, in an ironic way. c) after the Flash debacle the same posters who lost money on that service are now contemplating signing on with another illegal subscription service. You couldn't make it up! Almost everybody's got their money back and I also apologised if my obvious amusement rubbed anybody up the wrong way who had lost money - so what's your fucking big problem with me and my "reputation" now? Oh, and well done for taking an interesting and heated thread off topic to pursue your own trivial agenda. Nice.
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Post by rubyonrails on Oct 17, 2012 2:07:37 GMT
There's a few mard-arses on here to be fair Momo. Sad cases. They know who they are and I know who they are. You know there is something ironically fuckwitted about someone that bangs the drum about how managerial decisons should be made and what a great manager Pulis is and what a bad lad Pennant is but has 'Fuck Authority' on his/her avatar. Splendiferishly cuntish in the extreme. H Obviously, the simple irony is totally lost on you. R
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Post by rubyonrails on Oct 17, 2012 2:30:35 GMT
To be honest, i'm not really interested in what JP says on Twitter. Stoke fans are going to form their own opinions based on the facts surrounding the past misdemeanours, who said/did what and how the players and the team performs on the pitch. They will invariably add a little conjecture of their own, rightly or wrongly. JP: the best advice we can all offer to you is to keep your head down and let your football do the talking. I don't think that there is a single SCFC fan who is happy to see you go (even on loan) and i'd say the majority of Stokies would put you down as a permanent fixture in the first XI. But when our Manager gets put through the mill as a result of a situation like this - people will react, especially on this board. We all know that Pulis has his fair share of detractors and supporters but the narrative for this particular thread seems to be what is Pulis thinking? What is really going on and why has this happened? It's our club and we are perfectly entitled to debate the matter, but in the end it usually breaks down to an abusive row over our Managers clueless role in any given scenario and the fact that everything that goes wrong in the world is somehow Tony Pulis' fault. Good luck at Wolves JP. PS Are you a Wankstain or a Rimmer?
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Post by RAF on Oct 17, 2012 5:42:24 GMT
looks like Jermaine has been reading the thread..... jermaine pennant Joules_pennant Just seen on the oatcake forum and people are suggesting I'm on loan cos of disciplinary reasons? Not in slightest I've upset nobody at all. jermaine pennant Joules_pennant So I would appreciate it if you would stop jumping to conclusions and suggesting I've done this and that attitude blah blah Does RAF owe Pulis an apology then. I'm sure it will be forthcoming in a humble style Yep he can have an apology from me as soon as everyone on this board apologises to Pennant for all the shit he has been given and the bullshit about getting pissed all the time and being a bad egg is the reason he is being sent out on loan. I shall not hold my breath though. H
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Post by dozintheseventees on Oct 17, 2012 6:30:28 GMT
Pennant has had a number of disciplinary incidents in recent times.
Pennant hasn't played consistently well since our Cup Final season.
His football over the past year or so doesn't justify 'excusing' his poor discipline.
He's gone (for now)
ANY manager would have taken the same line.
The argument of keeping him because he's a better winger than Walters, although fair comment, dismisses the fact that we aren't playing Walters as an out-and-out winger and he contributes much more to the team effort than that. He's there, not because Pennant is crap. but because it allows Pulis to play other players that he wants to include. We can agree or disagree with his thinking there but this argument about Pennant should play simply because he's a better winger is a very simplistic one and ignores too many other issues that are relevant. It also ignores the fact that Pennant hasn't actually been a good supplier for the front men for a very long time. If you want to argue that Walters is worse in that department well ok, that's fine but don't just write off the fact that THAT is not the reason Walters is in the team at Pennant's expense.
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Post by RAF on Oct 17, 2012 6:45:30 GMT
Pennant has had a number of disciplinary incidents in recent times. Pennant hasn't played consistently well since our Cup Final season. His football over the past year or so doesn't justify 'excusing' his poor discipline. He's gone (for now) ANY manager would have taken the same line. The argument of keeping him because he's a better winger than Walters, although fair comment, dismisses the fact that we aren't playing Walters as an out-and-out winger and he contributes much more to the team effort than that. He's there, not because Pennant is crap. but because it allows Pulis to play other players that he wants to include. We can agree or disagree with his thinking there but this argument about Pennant should play simply because he's a better winger is a very simplistic one and ignores too many other issues that are relevant. It also ignores the fact that Pennant hasn't actually been a good supplier for the front men for a very long time. If you want to argue that Walters is worse in that department well ok, that's fine but don't just write off the fact that THAT is not the reason Walters is in the team at Pennant's expense. None of our wingers have played consistently, and some of that is to do with TP rather playing Delap, Whitehead, Shotton or Walters there. None of them good enough to lace Pennants or Ethers boots in that position even if they aren't firing on all cylinders. You can't be a good supplier to forwards if you aren't playing. Walters is in the team because he works arrd and doesn't complain, for me it has nothing to do with accommodating other players he wants to play. H
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Post by Kjones9 on Oct 17, 2012 6:50:12 GMT
Pennant has had a number of disciplinary incidents in recent times. Pennant hasn't played consistently well since our Cup Final season. Now that is FACT.
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Post by forwardpass on Oct 17, 2012 7:32:20 GMT
You would know KJ. You will shortly be joining him!
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Post by Kjones9 on Oct 17, 2012 7:37:30 GMT
Surprised you can type with all the happy clapping.
Ps I'm not really kenwyne jones.
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Post by foxysgloves on Oct 17, 2012 7:41:39 GMT
Does RAF owe Pulis an apology then. I'm sure it will be forthcoming in a humble style Yep he can have an apology from me as soon as everyone on this board apologises to Pennant for all the shit he has been given and the bullshit about getting pissed all the time and being a bad egg is the reason he is being sent out on loan. I shall not hold my breath though. H So you think Pulis is a liar.......but you are prepared to stand in defence of a man with a list of misdemeanours as long as a Danny Higginbotham through ball. Interesting.
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Post by foxysgloves on Oct 17, 2012 7:42:45 GMT
Surprised you can type with all the happy clapping. Ps I'm not really kenwyne jones. Clearly not, for all his flaws, the real KJ appears to have a fully functioning brain.
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Post by Kjones9 on Oct 17, 2012 7:47:43 GMT
Yes Tony's glove puppet, that is true. Ark ark.
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Post by RAF on Oct 17, 2012 7:53:07 GMT
Yep he can have an apology from me as soon as everyone on this board apologises to Pennant for all the shit he has been given and the bullshit about getting pissed all the time and being a bad egg is the reason he is being sent out on loan. I shall not hold my breath though. H So you think Pulis is a liar.......but you are prepared to stand in defence of a man with a list of misdemeanours as long as a Danny Higginbotham through ball. Interesting. No what I am doing is using Momo's glorious reasoning that if JP has said on twitter that there is no problem between himself and Pulis and the reason he is going on loan is because TP believes there are 3 players in front of him in the pecking order then I am prepared to retract my accusation and apologise to TP about calling him a liar in this situation, as long as the posters on here that have been accusing JP of turning up pissed and generally being a twat and intimating this is the reason that he has been sent on loan apologise to JP , if we are to take what JP says on his twitter as the truth, which clearly Momo has. It's only fair surely? H
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Post by dozintheseventees on Oct 17, 2012 8:01:50 GMT
Pennant has had a number of disciplinary incidents in recent times. Pennant hasn't played consistently well since our Cup Final season. His football over the past year or so doesn't justify 'excusing' his poor discipline. He's gone (for now) ANY manager would have taken the same line. The argument of keeping him because he's a better winger than Walters, although fair comment, dismisses the fact that we aren't playing Walters as an out-and-out winger and he contributes much more to the team effort than that. He's there, not because Pennant is crap. but because it allows Pulis to play other players that he wants to include. We can agree or disagree with his thinking there but this argument about Pennant should play simply because he's a better winger is a very simplistic one and ignores too many other issues that are relevant. It also ignores the fact that Pennant hasn't actually been a good supplier for the front men for a very long time. If you want to argue that Walters is worse in that department well ok, that's fine but don't just write off the fact that THAT is not the reason Walters is in the team at Pennant's expense. None of our wingers have played consistently, and some of that is to do with TP rather playing Delap, Whitehead, Shotton or Walters there. None of them good enough to lace Pennants or Ethers boots in that position even if they aren't firing on all cylinders. You can't be a good supplier to forwards if you aren't playing. Walters is in the team because he works arrd and doesn't complain, for me it has nothing to do with accommodating other players he wants to play. H Yes it does though RAF. Do you seriously think Adam would be playing in support of Crouch if we had Etherington and Pennant on the wings? Walters was moved out wide to accommodate Adam and he's there rather than Pennant because he is STILL required to plug gaps across the midfield (as well as play wide) because Adam doesn't have the energy or stamina to cover the areas that Walters was consistently asked to cover. Walters is STILL largely doing that as well as trying to satisfy those who expect him to be a winger AND get in on goal to support Crouch. Walters has always had a thankless task at Stoke and he still does. He's played very well so far this season.
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Post by stokeramblers on Oct 17, 2012 8:02:56 GMT
So you think Pulis is a liar.......but you are prepared to stand in defence of a man with a list of misdemeanours as long as a Danny Higginbotham through ball. Interesting. No what I am doing is using Momo's glorious reasoning that if JP has said on twitter that there is no problem between himself and Pulis and the reason he is going on loan is because TP believes there are 3 players in front of him in the pecking order then I am prepared to retract my accusation and apologise to TP about calling him a liar in this situation, as long as the posters on here that have been accusing JP of turning up pissed and generally being a twat and intimating this is the reason that he has been sent on loan apologise to JP , if we are to take what JP says on his twitter as the truth, which clearly Momo has. It's only fair surely? H I think is fair to say that Pulis and Ashley Cole (Sorry officer, Pennant) are both massive liars. The only truth we can glean from this thread is that Momo is madly in love with Pulis and that you hate Pulis. As long as this remains true, all is well in the world B
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 17, 2012 8:04:31 GMT
IF there is no problem with JP and TP then it really is a ridiculous situation as we have effectively paid 3m for a player to replace Pennant who is nowhere near as good as him.
To compound that initial error, we have then given Wolves the better player of the two on loan.
That is a ridiculous state of affairs.
Despite the protestations of both TP and JP and my obvious opinions on TP, I refuse to believe that TP doesn't actually recognise talent. Anyone with half a brain can see that Pennant is a better player than Kightly and Walters from a wide position as well as Shotton, Rory, Whitehead and whoever else has been used ahead of him in the last 12 months.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Oct 17, 2012 8:05:51 GMT
Pennant has had a number of disciplinary incidents in recent times. Pennant hasn't played consistently well since our Cup Final season. Now that is FACT. There's a good reason for that. Do you honestly think Pulis wants to leave out a player that can make us a much better side????
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Post by foxysgloves on Oct 17, 2012 8:06:37 GMT
So you think Pulis is a liar.......but you are prepared to stand in defence of a man with a list of misdemeanours as long as a Danny Higginbotham through ball. Interesting. No what I am doing is using Momo's glorious reasoning that if JP has said on twitter that there is no problem between himself and Pulis and the reason he is going on loan is because TP believes there are 3 players in front of him in the pecking order then I am prepared to retract my accusation and apologise to TP about calling him a liar in this situation, as long as the posters on here that have been accusing JP of turning up pissed and generally being a twat and intimating this is the reason that he has been sent on loan apologise to JP , if we are to take what JP says on his twitter as the truth, which clearly Momo has. It's only fair surely? H I suppose the odds are that both Pulis and JP are being liberal with the truth. All part of the game. Perhaps just part of life. As ever, what matters is the club. Not Pennant. Not Pulis. I genuinely have no clue what's gone on but I'm prepared to trust Pulis on this one. Massive loss for us because JP is top class. Maybe now though he can back up some of his twitter claims, play a few stormers for Wolves and put pressure on TP to bring him back and play him.
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Post by foxysgloves on Oct 17, 2012 8:08:29 GMT
Yes Tony's glove puppet, that is true. Ark ark. Cutting and witty as ever.
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Post by RAF on Oct 17, 2012 8:09:14 GMT
None of our wingers have played consistently, and some of that is to do with TP rather playing Delap, Whitehead, Shotton or Walters there. None of them good enough to lace Pennants or Ethers boots in that position even if they aren't firing on all cylinders. You can't be a good supplier to forwards if you aren't playing. Walters is in the team because he works arrd and doesn't complain, for me it has nothing to do with accommodating other players he wants to play. H Yes it does though RAF. Do you seriously think Adam would be playing in support of Crouch if we had Etherington and Pennant on the wings? Walters was moved out wide to accommodate Adam and he's there rather than Pennant because he is STILL required to plug gaps across the midfield (as well as play wide) because Adam doesn't have the energy or stamina to cover the areas that Walters was consistently asked to cover. Walters is STILL largely doing that as well as trying to satisfy those who expect him to be a winger AND get in on goal to support Crouch. Walters has always had a thankless task at Stoke and he still does. He's played very well so far this season. # You mean like when we played two wingers with Walters supporting KJ, when we played the best football of our time under Pulis? There is no reason why we can't play with two wingers apart from the fact TP like to shoehorn his faves in when he can. Adam doesn't need to do the donkey work, we have N'Zonzi for that. H
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