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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 16, 2012 17:25:49 GMT
If it is true that Pulis has absolutely no problem at all with Pennant, does that mean that we can assume that TP genuinely believes that Shotton, Kightly and Walters are better options than Pennant on the right wing? Clearly if there isn't a problem, then this is the case. In which case one can only conclude that Pulis is a fucking nutcase who wouldn't know a decent footballer if one walked up to him and headbutted him whilst wearing nothing other than a towel. Pennant has gone for disciplinary reasons and anyone who believes otherwise is quite simply out of their mind. It has absolutely nothing to do with his ability and all to do with his perceived attitude. EDIT - Ruby...claiming that there are some mardarses on here and that you know who they are when you have spent the last 3 pages regularly asking for an apology from MMLC (I always thought of him in the rimming camp hence the laugh at some of the comments) for a joking comment about you bumming TP is really not the cleverest thing to claim. Hopefully you identify yourself as one of those mard-arses!
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Post by stokeramblers on Oct 16, 2012 17:28:07 GMT
If it is true that Pulis has absolutely no problem at all with Pennant, does that mean that we can assume that TP genuinely believes that Shotton, Kightly and Walters are better options than Pennant on the right wing? Clearly if there isn't a problem, then this is the case. In which case one can only conclude that Pulis is a fucking nutcase who wouldn't know a decent footballer if one walked up to him and headbutted him whilst wearing nothing other than a towel. Pennant has gone for disciplinary reasons and anyone who believes otherwise is quite simply out of their mind. It has absolutely nothing to do with his ability and all to do with his perceived attitude. Do you agree or disagree with his stance?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 16, 2012 17:33:18 GMT
Actually I agree with it Ramblers which I suspect will surprise you somewhat.
I have long said that I don't want some of those absolute cunts of footballers associated with our club and was really pleased that our players seemed like genuinely decent, normal people.
Pennant is the only one of our players where opposition fans would genuinely be able to say "what a complete twat" or "I can't stand that fucker" in the same way that we can't stand complete wankers like Terry, Cole, Rooney, Gerrard etc.
Pennant is clearly a grade A tool and a repeat offence of something he has previously been sent to jail for highlights what a complete and utter bellend he is.
Sadly, he is also a very good footballer and one of our better players if the truth be told. If there is a problem, which clearly there is, then I have no problem with us getting rid. As MMLC says frequently over the last 3 pages, we should have got rid ages ago if his misdemenours were so bad.
If however, there is no problem at all between TP and Pennant, then he really should be playing because he is a damn site better than both Kightly and Walters.
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Post by jarhead on Oct 16, 2012 17:36:30 GMT
People are banging on about Pennants form like he's been horrific all the time! WHAT ABOUT 'SUPER JON WANKERS' WHO'S CONTRIBUTION ALL OF LAST SEASON AND THIS IS BEYOND AVERAGE BUT HE CANT DO NO WRONG IN TONY'S EYES BECAUSE........HE FUCKIN RUNS!!! GIVE HIM THE BALL WHEN IT MATTERS WHAT HAPPENS....ERR FUCK ALL!!!
Ok Pennant has had one or two quite games due to the fact we don't give him the ball in the right areas where he is dangerous ie inside a fullback for him to get in one of his quality crosses!!!
He can be quite for 85 mins but one quality trick,pass,cross can make the difference in our normally dire predictable 0-0 games because WE KNOW HE HAS THAT IN HIS LOCKER but in predicable tryer Goarrrrrrrnnnnn Jonnnnnnnnnnnn we know when it matters he cant deliver!!!!FACT
Playing negative football does not help Pennants game either,he's done brilliantly to play such a rigid game of football and my confidence would be knocked if i was told Ryan 'fuckin' Shitton was better than me ffs!
Again Pulis gets rid of QUALITY over Arrrrd worrrrk!
I predict Walters wont score more than 5 league goals FROM OPEN PLAY and he will play every minute in a front 3 position ie our goals threat!!!
mmmmmmmmmh,Lowest goal scorers last season now we have another championship player on the side in Kightly!!!
We could possibly have a worse record than last season if thats possible and we have Owen on the books aswell!! Fuck me you Cant write this shit!
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Post by stokeramblers on Oct 16, 2012 17:40:15 GMT
I think you're overreacting, things are looking a little better. We might know more after our ''easier'' run of games. You'll make yourself ill jarhead
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2012 17:40:53 GMT
All i can say on the matter is[this from a Pennant fan] he's very lucky to still be at the club after his misgivings again last season.Time will tell if its the right decision and if he comes back and plays for us again but i have my doubts.
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Post by kitkatkev on Oct 16, 2012 17:42:38 GMT
RAF gets bugger fucked like a 12 year old on Jim'll fix it in an argument again and starts crying. Standard By who and how? If you are referring to your non entity post, I think you need to have a re-think. My point was that Pulis is a liar, my point has been proved, even though you had tried to contest it. Cheers jockey H Will u2 get a room ffs ;D
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Post by jarhead on Oct 16, 2012 17:46:50 GMT
I think you're overreacting, things are looking a little better. We might know more after our ''easier'' run of games. You'll make yourself ill jarhead i wont trust me. Adam out of position and Crouch getting more isolated than normal and Walters and Kightly as back up and creators we will still struggle to score goals.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2012 17:49:19 GMT
I think you're overreacting, things are looking a little better. We might know more after our ''easier'' run of games. You'll make yourself ill jarhead i wont trust me. Adam out of position and Crouch getting more isolated than normal and Walters and Kightly as back up and creators we will still struggle to score goals. Go and have a listen to a certain Chaz and Dave song you muppet.
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Post by stokeramblers on Oct 16, 2012 17:50:18 GMT
By who and how? If you are referring to your non entity post, I think you need to have a re-think. My point was that Pulis is a liar, my point has been proved, even though you had tried to contest it. Cheers jockey H Will u2 get a room ffs ;D Hello, can I make a reservation please... Your name please sir... Mr. The edge
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Post by jarhead on Oct 16, 2012 17:51:19 GMT
we shall see splut 'you muppet'....can i tell admin of you now because you have insulted me?? your old trick!!! zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2012 17:52:55 GMT
we shall see splut 'you muppet'....can i tell admin of you now because you have insulted me?? your old trick!!! zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Tell who you want mate,aint no pleasing you is the record by the way.
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Post by jarhead on Oct 16, 2012 17:54:48 GMT
so your glad Prem quality has gone through the door and walters Kightly shotton are better????? get in the fuckin REAL world!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2012 18:01:47 GMT
so your glad Prem quality has gone through the door and walters Kightly shotton are better????? get in the fuckin REAL world! No problem with Walters this season tbh,Kightly the jury is out for me and Shotton just not good enough.I'm in the real world your just in your usual fantasy world.
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Post by stokelad84 on Oct 16, 2012 18:18:46 GMT
Walters and Kightly will score more goals than Pennant. TP said last season he wanted more goals from our wide men.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 16, 2012 18:23:01 GMT
Neither look like they are going to contribute a significant total of goals and they definitely don't look like they are capable of supplying the frequency and quality of crosses that someone like Crouch will need.
Again, there is absolutely no football reason for those two to be ahead of Pennant. It is clearly non-football issues and that is understandable if Pennant really is the idiot that he appears.
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Post by stokelad84 on Oct 16, 2012 18:27:05 GMT
I would fancy Kightly to get 5 goals in a full season and Walters to get around 8-10
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Post by foxysgloves on Oct 16, 2012 18:59:52 GMT
It's all conjecture, thats the point. It's just that some (not meaning you necessarily) will happily use conjecture to hammer Pulis but will throw a wobbly if anyone attempts to paint Pulis in a positive light through conjecture. The fact is it's sad/pathetic that some seem keen to place Pennant on the moral high ground here. There are many valid reasons to question Pulis, this isn't one. i don't think anyone IS placing Pennant on the moral high ground, i just think it's simply a case (as Ruby said) of people arguing about how Pulis has dealt with it is all. my personal opinion is simply that he took far too long to get a handle on it and deal with it (and i don't agree that just binning players off is the best way to deal with things and that is something i think few would disagree seems to be TP's only way of dealing with any player who has problems at the club). the main arguments against this seem to be that Pennant's lack of inclusion was initially due to his bad behaviour...agreed. he continued to exclude him because he thought he would give Shotts a run...fair enough he then continued to exclude him because he now had someone, anyone who could physically stand on the wing (despite the fact that he wasn't as good as an even off form Pennant)......that one to me ISN'T fair enough becuase it's detrimental to the team (as i said Pennant at even 30% would still offer more to any team than a Shotton at 100% of his ability on the wing) just to make a point to ONE player. i know above Ruby said i have no "proof" that this was the reason but does anyone really believe otherwise? can anyone, hand on their heart say that Shotton was offering more to us on the wing than even on out of form Pennant would? really? if a player steps out of line at Man Utd. they are disciplined by the clubm, it is usually made public (naming and shaming if you will) and then, when the punishment is served,they are allowed back into the team because ANY team should be fielding the side they think gives them the best chance of winning. in today's day and age that is basically the only way to deal with it, like i said before i don't like the fact that players have egos but not liking it doesn't change that it's a fact and managers haveto deal with the day to day reality of what IS not what SHOULD be. i don't like it, it's not the way it should be and i'm sure John Lennon would be telling me to believe, it's easy if you try etc. but we don't live in an ideal, perfect world where players still do what they're told, when they're told, now there's a good boy! football has changed in that respect...for the worse i agree but you,me and TP not liking it won't turn the clock back.football has changed and so have management techniques but TP (as much as i love him) has been left behind in that respect. If TP had got rid of Pennant right at the start after the Crawley and Everton incidents then you wouldn't have heard a word of criticism from me and TP would have far longer to go about finding a proper, decent replacement for him rather than being stuck with a forward as one of our wingers (SJW has played well so far this season, not disputing that but i think we'd all feel more comfortable with proper competition for the wings rather than 2 wingers and a forward being levered in). i'm NOT on Pennants side and NOT saying he should have stayed here....more that TP should have made his mind up earlier and stuck to it and NOT keep even more deadwood on the books to simply make a point.it's childish and a drain on resources...i slated him for keeping Tonge and Soares on (as did many), it would be hypocritical and inconsistent of me to not criticise him for doing the same with Pennant. TBH I don't really disagree with your main points Millsy I just think there's a lot about this situation that we don't know and probably never will know. Of course that shouldn't prevent a discussion on it......but when some start turning it into our weekly "batter the manager" issue I think it's going too far.
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Post by foxysgloves on Oct 16, 2012 19:15:41 GMT
And do you find it equally hard to believe that JP himself was blocking moves because: A) he didn't want to drop to Championship B) he wasn't all that arsed about whether he was playing or not (so long as he was still getting paid) That's an hell of an accusation, but I'm sure you know all the facts. Doh! No, I don't. That was kind of the point I was making. As far as I can tell nobody on here does. We're all guessing. It's just that some are using their guesswork to further their rather odd vendettas against our manager.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 16, 2012 19:19:53 GMT
5 goals for Kightly hardly merits his inclusion at the expense of Pennant's usual 3 goals per season does it, especially when you factor in the number of crosses he supplies and goals he is likely to create when he is a regular in the team?
As for Walters, if you exclude penalties he will struggle to reach 5 league goals from his usual position as the withdrawn forward let alone from one of the wing positions.
Sorry, I just don't see it. There are absolutely no football reasons that could be given to suggest that Kightly or Walters (or Shotton, Whitehead, Rory and anyone else that has played wide instead of Pennant) should be ahead of Pennant on playing ability alone.
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Post by yogibear78 on Oct 16, 2012 19:35:27 GMT
so your glad Prem quality has gone through the door and walters Kightly shotton are better????? get in the fuckin REAL world! No problem with Walters this season tbh,Kightly the jury is out for me and Shotton just not good enough.I'm in the real world your just in your usual fantasy world. Don't agree, he's got the rose tinted glasses off and can see thast we have been in the Prem for 5 seasons and following the spending spree totalling a near £100M we have a Right Winger playing Left wing, a Championship standard striker playing right wing and a championship standard centre back as back up to the right wing when we have just sent out a Good Premiership winger out on loan to our Staffordshire rivals who play a league lower. This player sent out on loan is good ( not least ) at deadball delivery which we happen to rely on. Good management? What do you think?
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Post by yogibear78 on Oct 16, 2012 19:38:19 GMT
Is Tony Pulis making the most of the resources available to him? I would say no.
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Post by Menorca Stokie on Oct 16, 2012 19:42:18 GMT
There's a few mard-arses on here to be fair Momo. Sad cases. They know who they are and I know who they are. You know there is something ironically fuckwitted about someone that bangs the drum about how managerial decisons should be made and what a great manager Pulis is and what a bad lad Pennant is but has 'Fuck Authority' on his/her avatar. Splendiferishly cuntish in the extreme. H Yes H, could that be the same person who was slagging people off for using illegal live streams I wonder? he seems to have made quite a reputation for himself in the 3 months of posting.
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Post by Kjones9 on Oct 16, 2012 19:54:09 GMT
That's an hell of an accusation, but I'm sure you know all the facts. Doh! No, I don't. That was kind of the point I was making. As far as I can tell nobody on here does. We're all guessing. It's just that some are using their guesswork to further their rather odd vendettas against our manager. Same can be said of your "odd" backing of EVERY single decision our tone makes.
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Post by foxysgloves on Oct 16, 2012 19:57:07 GMT
Doh! No, I don't. That was kind of the point I was making. As far as I can tell nobody on here does. We're all guessing. It's just that some are using their guesswork to further their rather odd vendettas against our manager. Same can be said of your "odd" backing of EVERY single decision our tone makes. Like the comment I made on the Jerome thread earlier saying Pulis fucked up signing him? Yeah that really shows me backing EVERY decision he makes doesn't it?
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Post by jarhead on Oct 16, 2012 20:19:49 GMT
5 goals for Kightly hardly merits his inclusion at the expense of Pennant's usual 3 goals per season does it, especially when you factor in the number of crosses he supplies and goals he is likely to create when he is a regular in the team? As for Walters, if you exclude penalties he will struggle to reach 5 league goals from his usual position as the withdrawn forward let alone from one of the wing positions. Sorry, I just don't see it. There are absolutely no football reasons that could be given to suggest that Kightly or Walters (or Shotton, Whitehead, Rory and anyone else that has played wide instead of Pennant) should be ahead of Pennant on playing ability alone. 100% AGREED.
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Post by TheWiseMaster on Oct 16, 2012 21:13:04 GMT
Whats all this looking at football reasons? Pennant could not stay sober and staying sober and fit to play/train is the minimum requirement for any footballer
Without personal discipline (after repeated warnings), talent is meaningless
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Post by RAF on Oct 16, 2012 21:29:37 GMT
Whats all this looking at football reasons? Pennant could not stay sober and staying sober and fit to play/train is the minimum requirement for any footballer Without personal discipline (after repeated warnings), talent is meaningless I'm sure if alive the finest manager we have ever had would disagree with you, especially when discussing a certain Mr Hudson. But I'm sure you have all the facts Paul. H
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 16, 2012 21:35:55 GMT
Whats all this looking at football reasons? Pennant could not stay sober and staying sober and fit to play/train is the minimum requirement for any footballer Without personal discipline (after repeated warnings), talent is meaningless I'm sure if alive the finest manager we have ever had would disagree with you, Tone's dead?! RIP the capped one. I loved you.
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Post by markfitdt on Oct 16, 2012 21:49:57 GMT
looks like Jermaine has been reading the thread..... jermaine pennant Joules_pennant Just seen on the oatcake forum and people are suggesting I'm on loan cos of disciplinary reasons? Not in slightest I've upset nobody at all. jermaine pennant Joules_pennant So I would appreciate it if you would stop jumping to conclusions and suggesting I've done this and that attitude blah blah
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