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Post by stokiejoeofalsager on Sept 30, 2012 16:38:03 GMT
kights WILL score more than pennant and ethers can.
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Post by stokecity4life on Sept 30, 2012 17:19:52 GMT
Kightly is better than Ethers and Pennant IMO.
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Post by RAF on Sept 30, 2012 17:24:32 GMT
Kightly is better than Ethers and Pennant IMO. An opinion you are quite entitled to. You just happen to be wrong. H
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Post by stokiejoeofalsager on Sept 30, 2012 17:31:01 GMT
Kightly is better than Ethers and Pennant IMO. An opinion you are quite entitled to. You just happen to be wrong. H an opinion can't be wrong, that's the whole point of an opinion. all three have their strengths and weaknesses and all three are different players. kights has the biggest goal threat. ethers is good at running to the goal line and whipping crosses in and JP has a great set piece delivery.
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Post by RAF on Sept 30, 2012 17:32:27 GMT
An opinion you are quite entitled to. You just happen to be wrong. H an opinion can't be wrong, that's the whole point of an opinion. all three have their strengths and weaknesses and all three are different players. kights has the biggest goal threat. ethers is good at running to the goal line and whipping crosses in and JP has a great set piece delivery. My opinion is that he is wrong. Does that mean that I'm not wrong? H
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Post by stokecity4life on Sept 30, 2012 17:39:01 GMT
Kightly is better than Ethers and Pennant IMO. An opinion you are quite entitled to. You just happen to be wrong. H lol - fair one but i`ll give my thoughts... This is vs current form as well as i don`t think matty will ever eclipse his form of the other season. Harder working than both Will score more goals than both Positional sense is much better Takes men on better than both Seems to want to and be able to break forward better and quicker as well Younger and has a higher potential More aggressive and defensively better Thats my 2p.
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Post by stokecity4life on Sept 30, 2012 17:40:34 GMT
JP is a better crosser and better at set pieces - but we don`t need this set piece expertise now as Adam will take most and tbh JP`s attitute and his mistakes have cost him.
Ethers will never be the player he was and was poor last season.
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Post by stokecity4life on Sept 30, 2012 17:41:13 GMT
an opinion can't be wrong, that's the whole point of an opinion. all three have their strengths and weaknesses and all three are different players. kights has the biggest goal threat. ethers is good at running to the goal line and whipping crosses in and JP has a great set piece delivery. My opinion is that he is wrong. Does that mean that I'm not wrong? H and nope you are entitled to your opinion mate - its whats make life interesting I`ve tried back my feelings up with some substance
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Post by RAF on Sept 30, 2012 17:43:26 GMT
An opinion you are quite entitled to. You just happen to be wrong. H lol - fair one but i`ll give my thoughts... This is vs current form as well as i don`t think matty will ever eclipse his form of the other season. Harder working than both Will score more goals than both Positional sense is much better Takes men on better than both Seems to want to and be able to break forward better and quicker as well Younger and has a higher potential More aggressive and defensively better Thats my 2p. To be honest mate, I think he is possibly better than Ethers is now, but I don't think he is in the same league as a firing Pennant. That said though at the moment no matter what Pulis says about not having a problem Pennant it's clearly bollox and for match fitness alone Kightly shades it over him. Fucking shame I reckon. H
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Post by Homzy on Sept 30, 2012 17:46:46 GMT
Kightly hasn't set the world alight yet, but he's got more pace and is more of a goal threat than Pennant. Etherington on his day was better at beating players, but I don't think we'll ever see the best of Matty again.
Of the three players, I think Pennant is the best overall, but the least suited to how we're currently playing.
PS. Paul, I've seen a few of your posts about the system, Adam, Walters etc - am I right in thinking you believe we should play the following front six?:
Pennant N'Zonzi Second CM Ethers/Kites Walters Crouch
Do you not think that would mean the return of the midfield cage, a return to reliance on the wingers, a return to our player behind Crouch spending most of his time defending and, as a result, a return to the boring, lacking-goals games we saw last season?
Adam is clearly still finding his feet but I think the new system has worked terrifically well so far.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 30, 2012 18:03:19 GMT
Seems that some are being a bit harsh, I think hes done well so far this season, if he carrys on in the same way he will have a much better season that either Pennant or Ethers had last season.
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Post by onionman on Sept 30, 2012 18:13:54 GMT
A fully fit & focussed Pennant offers a better package than Kightly HOWEVER Kightly is pacier, can turn inside & importantly gets round the outside of defenders (which Jermaine rarely does). As a result he creates more uncertainty in defender's minds at the moment. Jermaine usually delivers a better final ball & his defensive contribution is excellent. Crucially Kightly's seems to be 110% committed however, if JP has appeared to be anything less than 100%, that may well not be fully his fault!! Jermaine is a class player. I really want to see him playing with our developing midfield. I'm 120% sure that the support, variety and options they would provide, would bring out the very best in him & we would see a rejuvenated & improved quality winger who could turn matches for us. So many times JP & Matty were unsupported last season & had to go it alone against 2/3 defenders. With the addition of Zonzi & Adam and a less shackled Whelan & Walters, more options will be opened up for both wingers and the team as a whole. We all know TP is a mule, so Pennant has to keep knocking at the door in every way he can and show a 130% positive attitude. Graft time will hopefully lead to game time for Pennant. ;D Excellent twisting of the 110% cliche to show how, in ascending order: Pennant has appeared to be less than 100% committed Kightly seems to be 110% committed You're 120% sure Pennant would be more productive alongside our new midfield Pennant must now show a 130% positive attitude to get back in. I would like to add: Pulis is 140% committed to shoehorning Walters into the starting eleven Marc Wilson is 150% likely to transfer the ball onto his right foot before launching a diagonal pass Roy Hodgson is 160% against picking any Stoke players in his England squad Can anyone think of anything with a probability of 170%? I think I've pushed the boundaries of mathematics as far as they'll go.
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Post by stokiejoeofalsager on Sept 30, 2012 18:25:18 GMT
an opinion can't be wrong, that's the whole point of an opinion. all three have their strengths and weaknesses and all three are different players. kights has the biggest goal threat. ethers is good at running to the goal line and whipping crosses in and JP has a great set piece delivery. My opinion is that he is wrong. Does that mean that I'm not wrong? H no. you're not wrong. wait. this is bloody confusing ;D
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Post by RAF on Sept 30, 2012 18:26:45 GMT
My opinion is that he is wrong. Does that mean that I'm not wrong? H no. you're not wrong. wait. this is bloody confusing ;D H
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Post by ohbottom on Sept 30, 2012 18:28:18 GMT
Can anyone think of anything with a probability of 170%? I think I've pushed the boundaries of mathematics as far as they'll go. You've a way to go yet, Onion. Kevin Keegan regularly used to get into the millions of percent in pre / post match interviews.
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Post by foster on Sept 30, 2012 18:30:10 GMT
I haven't seen anything to suggest that Kightly should be dropped. I think he's been pretty good. As another poster mentioned earlier. I don't see why anyone should be dropped from the team tha started yesterday.
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Post by onionman on Sept 30, 2012 18:36:47 GMT
Can anyone think of anything with a probability of 170%? I think I've pushed the boundaries of mathematics as far as they'll go. You've a way to go yet, Onion. Kevin Keegan regularly used to get into the millions of percent in pre / post match interviews. Yes of course, Kevin Keegan. He was probably a million percent sure he'd love it if Newcastle beat Man Utd in 1996. I want Keegan to commentate on one of our games, so he can claim Jon Walters never gives anything less than a million and ten percent.
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Post by themightyragnar on Sept 30, 2012 18:55:07 GMT
More Mathmatics: Stoke are 10000000000000000000000000% never to be more than next to last on MOTD.
By the way Kightley is playing it on the floor, it's new boys and I hope it continues.
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Post by foxysgloves on Sept 30, 2012 19:48:07 GMT
an opinion can't be wrong, that's the whole point of an opinion. all three have their strengths and weaknesses and all three are different players. kights has the biggest goal threat. ethers is good at running to the goal line and whipping crosses in and JP has a great set piece delivery. My opinion is that he is wrong. Does that mean that I'm not wrong? H What a stupid question FFS. You're never wrong.
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Post by superjonnywalters on Sept 30, 2012 20:18:53 GMT
Kightly hasn't set the world alight yet, but he's got more pace and is more of a goal threat than Pennant. Etherington on his day was better at beating players, but I don't think we'll ever see the best of Matty again. Of the three players, I think Pennant is the best overall, but the least suited to how we're currently playing. PS. Paul, I've seen a few of your posts about the system, Adam, Walters etc - am I right in thinking you believe we should play the following front six?: Pennant N'Zonzi Second CM Ethers/Kites Walters Crouch Do you not think that would mean the return of the midfield cage, a return to reliance on the wingers, a return to our player behind Crouch spending most of his time defending and, as a result, a return to the boring, lacking-goals games we saw last season? Adam is clearly still finding his feet but I think the new system has worked terrifically well so far. Spot on Homzy. Its ridiculous to write Adam off being able to play a certain role after only 2 and a half games.
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Post by chinesedave on Sept 30, 2012 20:35:43 GMT
Anybody tell me what he brings to the team,please? He has been poor but v Swansea he looked decent. Needs a full season here before we judge imho.
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Post by superjonnywalters on Sept 30, 2012 20:41:57 GMT
None are perfect.
Pennant is probably the most intelligent player of the 3. He reads the game well, he gets his head up and can whip a great ball into the box.
Ethers is probably the best at beating the full back, getting to the byline and getting it into the box. The problem being, he's a confidence player and he seems to have lost all confidence right now.
Kightly is probably the least talented of the 3 yet he could be the best fit for us, long term. I think he's got the most goals in him out of the 3. He's the only one who cuts inside and always looks to get shots away. Pennant and Ethers never seem interested in that part of the game. Given our biggest weakness from last season was scoring goals, if Kights could chip in with half a dozen then it would be a boost.
He just seems too eager if anything. He gets his head down straight away and just runs. I hope he's got more to come. He may pick up a thing or two from training with the likes of Ethers and JP.
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Post by skelman on Sept 30, 2012 20:43:21 GMT
A fully fit & focussed Pennant offers a better package than Kightly HOWEVER Kightly is pacier, can turn inside & importantly gets round the outside of defenders (which Jermaine rarely does). As a result he creates more uncertainty in defender's minds at the moment. Jermaine usually delivers a better final ball & his defensive contribution is excellent. Crucially Kightly's seems to be 110% committed however, if JP has appeared to be anything less than 100%, that may well not be fully his fault!! Jermaine is a class player. I really want to see him playing with our developing midfield. I'm 120% sure that the support, variety and options they would provide, would bring out the very best in him & we would see a rejuvenated & improved quality winger who could turn matches for us. So many times JP & Matty were unsupported last season & had to go it alone against 2/3 defenders. With the addition of Zonzi & Adam and a less shackled Whelan & Walters, more options will be opened up for both wingers and the team as a whole. We all know TP is a mule, so Pennant has to keep knocking at the door in every way he can and show a 130% positive attitude. Graft time will hopefully lead to game time for Pennant. ;D Excellent twisting of the 110% cliche to show how, in ascending order: Pennant has appeared to be less than 100% committed Kightly seems to be 110% committed You're 120% sure Pennant would be more productive alongside our new midfield Pennant must now show a 130% positive attitude to get back in. I would like to add: Pulis is 140% committed to shoehorning Walters into the starting eleven Marc Wilson is 150% likely to transfer the ball onto his right foot before launching a diagonal pass Roy Hodgson is 160% against picking any Stoke players in his England squad Can anyone think of anything with a probability of 170%? I think I've pushed the boundaries of mathematics as far as they'll go. Kightly/Pennant - I'm 180% sure that Pulis won't do a fekin 'U' turn on this one
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 30, 2012 20:48:55 GMT
Kightly is the perfect Pulis player i.e. will run all day.
Can't beat a man, has low skill level for a PL footballer, cannot run with a football and has no end product.
Wolves got every last penny out of WHU for Jarvis, but offered little resistance to let Kightly out the door. Tells you plenty.
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Post by cotswoldstokie on Sept 30, 2012 20:52:45 GMT
A goal from the midfield
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Post by stokiejoeofalsager on Sept 30, 2012 21:17:00 GMT
Kightly is the perfect Pulis player i.e. will run all day. Can't beat a man, has low skill level for a PL footballer, cannot run with a football and has no end product. Wolves got every last penny out of WHU for Jarvis, but offered little resistance to let Kightly out the door. Tells you plenty. completely dissagree. many wolves fans would have prefered to keep kightly than jarvis. he's already shown he can beat a man and has plenty of skill AND has scored.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 30, 2012 21:31:22 GMT
Kightly hasn't set the world alight yet, but he's got more pace and is more of a goal threat than Pennant. Etherington on his day was better at beating players, but I don't think we'll ever see the best of Matty again. Of the three players, I think Pennant is the best overall, but the least suited to how we're currently playing. PS. Paul, I've seen a few of your posts about the system, Adam, Walters etc - am I right in thinking you believe we should play the following front six?: Pennant N'Zonzi Second CM Ethers/Kites Walters Crouch Do you not think that would mean the return of the midfield cage, a return to reliance on the wingers, a return to our player behind Crouch spending most of his time defending and, as a result, a return to the boring, lacking-goals games we saw last season? Adam is clearly still finding his feet but I think the new system has worked terrifically well so far. If I'm honest mate I don't think the system has altered massively, just that there are now different personnel operating in it's key positions. N'Zonzi has been the biggest difference so far for me. When Tone changed the personnel around (Adam off, Walters in the hole and Matty on the flank) yesterday, I thought we INSTANTLY looked a better side both offensively and defensively. I think Walters has much more to offer us playing in the hole than he does on the flank and personally I can't really justify him playing out there at the expense of JP or Etherington.
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Post by onionman on Sept 30, 2012 21:41:31 GMT
None are perfect. Pennant is probably the most intelligent player of the 3. He reads the game well, he gets his head up and can whip a great ball into the box. Ethers is probably the best at beating the full back, getting to the byline and getting it into the box. The problem being, he's a confidence player and he seems to have lost all confidence right now. Kightly is probably the least talented of the 3 yet he could be the best fit for us, long term. I think he's got the most goals in him out of the 3. He's the only one who cuts inside and always looks to get shots away. Pennant and Ethers never seem interested in that part of the game. Given our biggest weakness from last season was scoring goals, if Kights could chip in with half a dozen then it would be a boost. He just seems too eager if anything. He gets his head down straight away and just runs. I hope he's got more to come. He may pick up a thing or two from training with the likes of Ethers and JP. Not disputing any of that, but it just dawned on me how daft it is for Pennant to be accurately described as "intelligent" in any way. But he is, on the football pitch, I guess. Why can't he translate that intelligence to the rest of his life? Skelman: I suspect Pulis is one million percent against a Kightly/Pennant U-turn, assuming such a thing is possible like Kevin Keegan claims.
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Post by RAF on Sept 30, 2012 21:50:12 GMT
My opinion is that he is wrong. Does that mean that I'm not wrong? H What a stupid question FFS. You're never wrong. Yep, and the sooner you and others like you accept this, the easier it will be for you. H
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Post by StokieBoy31 on Sept 30, 2012 21:53:47 GMT
Works Arrrdddd but isn't as good as Pennant.
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