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Post by skip on Aug 27, 2012 21:04:13 GMT
Yes, top post Foxy's Gloves but is fear of relegation such that we have to negate all hope of ever so slightly more dynamic football because the penny has dropped for me - Pulis won't change his mindset/tactics.
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Post by armitagestokie on Aug 27, 2012 22:02:07 GMT
Sure is. The capped one has spunked money,has boring I've never been relegated tactics,and still wants the fans support.
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Post by swampySCFC on Aug 27, 2012 22:04:39 GMT
We wouldn't be where we are without Coates' investment, whereas another manager could have done the same job if given the same budget. bollocks. name one!!!
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Post by stockportstokie on Aug 27, 2012 22:21:44 GMT
We wouldn't be where we are without Coates' investment, whereas another manager could have done the same job if given the same budget. bollocks. name one!!! Take it your being sarcastic? If not then I'll name two, Fat Sam & Bruce. I could literally name anyone who isn't a complete clown. Money is king.
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Post by Olgrligm on Aug 27, 2012 22:32:53 GMT
Sir Alex Ferguson is a chancer. Absolute clown. His achievements are all void, he wouldn't be where he is without the investment he's had from the board. All his recent trophies belong to the Glazier family. Everything before that belongs to that bloke who owned them before who I can't be bothered to look up. The sooner the sad old man retires and lets somebody else inevitably win things with the money presented the better.
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Post by stockportstokie on Aug 27, 2012 22:36:38 GMT
Winning trophy after trophy isn't really comparable with getting a team promoted from the Championship though is it?
Would we be where we are without Coates? Would we fuck.
Could another manager get a team promoted & keep them up with at least £80m? Most definitely.
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Post by rubyonrails on Aug 27, 2012 23:13:47 GMT
In my opinion the tide is definitely not turning. There's a little more chatter from the locals and Pulis is not as revered but we are a million miles from the tide turning. And if we ever ever got relegated his job would still be safe. So all you PHW whinging depressives need to get used to the idea because all I see for all you guys is decades of constant moaning and whining.
Put simply, a psychologist will tell you that individuals who tend to endlessly moan and complain are usually telling us something about themselves as opposed to the intended subject.
Try and look for positives. It's not all great by any stretch but try and develop a balanced view. Arsenal looked no better than us yesterday AND we got the ball in their net as well.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2012 23:17:40 GMT
In my opinion the tide is definitely not turning. There's a little more chatter from the locals and Pulis is not as revered but we are a million miles from the tide turning. And if we ever ever got relegated his job would still be safe. So all you PHW whinging depressives need to get used to the idea because all I see for all you guys is decades of constant moaning and whining. Put simply, a psychologist will tell you that individuals who tend to endlessly moan and complain are usually telling us something about themselves as opposed to the intended subject. Try and look for positives. It's not all great by any stretch but try and develop a balanced view. Arsenal looked no better than us yesterday AND we got the ball in their net as well. I wouldn't believe all what Psychologists say....mine shot himself a week after my first appointment.
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Post by rubyonrails on Aug 27, 2012 23:21:21 GMT
In my opinion the tide is definitely not turning. There's a little more chatter from the locals and Pulis is not as revered but we are a million miles from the tide turning. And if we ever ever got relegated his job would still be safe. So all you PHW whinging depressives need to get used to the idea because all I see for all you guys is decades of constant moaning and whining. Put simply, a psychologist will tell you that individuals who tend to endlessly moan and complain are usually telling us something about themselves as opposed to the intended subject. Try and look for positives. It's not all great by any stretch but try and develop a balanced view. Arsenal looked no better than us yesterday AND we got the ball in their net as well. I wouldn't believe all what Psychologists say....mine shot himself a week after my first appointment. I fucking wonder why? I also hear you are considering taking the 5 precepts of Wankstainianism mr mumf?
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Post by parttimelurker on Aug 27, 2012 23:36:44 GMT
FW England Jon Parkin Hull City £250,000 20 June 2007 [1] DF England Stephen Wright Sunderland Loan 3 August 2007 [2] FW England Richard Cresswell Leeds United Undisclosed 3 August 2007 [3] DF England Ryan Shawcross Manchester United Loan 9 August 2007 [4] DF Belgium Ritchie De Laet Royal Antwerp £100,000 17 August 2007 [5] DF England Jody Craddock Wolves Loan 17 August 2007 [6] DF Democratic Republic of the Congo Gabriel Zakuani Fulham Loan 31 August 2007 [7] DF England Andy Griffin Derby County £300,000 10 January 2008 [8] DF England Leon Cort Crystal Palace £1.2 Million 14 January 2008 [9] MF England Danny Pugh Preston North End £500,000 16 January 2008 [10] DF England Ryan Shawcross Manchester United £2 Million 18 January 2008 [11] FW Scotland Paul Gallagher Blackburn Rovers Loan 31 January 2008 [12] MF Republic of Ireland Glenn Whelan Sheffield Wednesday £500,000 31 January 2008 [13] DF England Chris Riggott Middlesbrough Loan 29 February 2008 [14] GK England Carlo Nash Wigan Athletic Loan 4 March 2008 [15] FW England Jay Bothroyd Wolves Loan 14 March 2008 [16] FW England Shola Ameobi Newcastle United Loan 27 March 2008 [17] MF Scotland Stephen Pearson Derby County Loan 28 March 2008 that doesnt account for the 600k(?) ameobi cost for a few months loan. relatively nothing? I'm having a bit of an issue spotting where the £2.5m we got for Higgy and the £750k that we got for Hoefkens fit into your accounts? Shawcross was £1m with a £1m promotion clause so for promotion budget purposes he's £1m. Leon Cort was not £1.2m - he was Clint Hill plus cash, the valuation of Clint Hill was never disclosed. It may well have been Clint Hill plus £100k with Hill being valued at £1.1m. Warnock didn't rate Cort at all and wanted rid.
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Post by whereami on Aug 28, 2012 0:58:25 GMT
Its copied form wikipedia, i wouldnt try and pretend that I could remember all our transfer ins and outs from 5 years ago. Whether some bits are off though, the point is its most definitely NOT "relatively nothing"
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Post by GallysGuitar on Aug 29, 2012 0:02:13 GMT
Sir Alex Ferguson is a chancer. Absolute clown. His achievements are all void, he wouldn't be where he is without the investment he's had from the board. All his recent trophies belong to the Glazier family. Everything before that belongs to that bloke who owned them before who I can't be bothered to look up. The sooner the sad old man retires and lets somebody else inevitably win things with the money presented the better. I think that sneaks in at #2 of a long list of ludicrous agenda-driven ramblings. Just behind the claim Ronaldo wouldn't be a success in Spain.
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Post by BristolMick on Aug 29, 2012 0:39:11 GMT
Sir Alex Ferguson is a chancer. Absolute clown. His achievements are all void, he wouldn't be where he is without the investment he's had from the board. All his recent trophies belong to the Glazier family. Everything before that belongs to that bloke who owned them before who I can't be bothered to look up. The sooner the sad old man retires and lets somebody else inevitably win things with the money presented the better. I think that sneaks in at #2 of a long list of ludicrous agenda-driven ramblings. Just behind the claim Ronaldo wouldn't be a success in Spain. The agenda driven rambling was in response to someone saying that it is to Coates we owe our success more than Pulis and might have therfore contained just the slightest trace of sarcasm! BM
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Post by stockportstokie on Aug 29, 2012 0:41:09 GMT
I think that sneaks in at #2 of a long list of ludicrous agenda-driven ramblings. Just behind the claim Ronaldo wouldn't be a success in Spain. The agenda driven rambling was in response to someone saying that it is to Coates we owe our success more than Pulis and might have therfore contained just the slightest trace of sarcasm! BM Which is spot on.
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Post by BristolMick on Aug 29, 2012 0:44:14 GMT
The agenda driven rambling was in response to someone saying that it is to Coates we owe our success more than Pulis and might have therfore contained just the slightest trace of sarcasm! BM Which is spot on. Yes it is spot on! BM
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Post by hammered on Aug 29, 2012 0:58:47 GMT
Got to admit - a bit surprised - but as I’ve mentioned on other threads –TP’s success is his failure also.
If you’d been mercifully put back to the championship after the first season of thug ball then I’m sure you’d have a different manager and a different system of play by now.
You didn’t and one trick Tony continues to roll out his lowest common denominator version of Association Rules.
Other than Shawcross and Crouch there’s nobody anyone in the Prem would touch and three days left in the transfer world it's not going got change yours so best deal with it and get behind the team.
It would take 100m to turn you guys into something approaching what you seem to think you should be.
Before someone starts about BFS – yes I know and we’re not a million miles away (from you) in terms of current status but we’re a promoted side and frankly our wish/expectation is survival only.
But the facts are – Stoke are a small PL club (relatively) so TP has focused on keeping it real and stuck with what has brought him success and you can’t really argue with that.
That Di Canio brought a team priced less than that of Peter Crouch to your place and won is no more than “ one of those things”. We lost to Aldershot in the same round last year.
Still can’t see you going down or even being close – there’s enough effectiveness about your play (even if it ain’t pretty) to stay up.
Take off the Stoke tinted shades and realise for your club (right now) all that matters is the new Sky money. TP will be gone at the end of this season with a big fat thank you.
Having said that and hate to say it lads but I just hope Sam hasn’t bought a copy of the TP (how to stay in the premier league pamphlet) it wouldn’t be a book as the content is a bit Janet & John.
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Post by thevoid on Aug 29, 2012 1:27:27 GMT
Pulis has taken a club that has been graced by the likes of Matthews, Hudson, Banks et al, and turned our name into mud, a footballing pariah, a latter-day Wimbledon.
We are not Wimbledon, battling our way up from non-league, we are a club who have spent more time in the top division than any other league.
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Post by hammered on Aug 29, 2012 1:53:29 GMT
Everything is relative. I look back at our history and think the same - point is you are where you are and it ain't such a bad place given your years before TP.
Clearly it's a lack of evolution since breaking into the PL that pisses of the majority and that I can understand but you have achieved a bunch if things in recent years that most would be happy with.
Be careful what you wish for because a change right now I think would see you in the Championship come May.
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Post by pegleg on Aug 29, 2012 2:03:10 GMT
I've been watching Stoke since the late 50s and was thrilled by our return to the Prem. However, the last 12-18 months have been mind-numbingly boring and TP's negative team selections, tactics and attitude are hard to take. On today's evidence, things will only get worse and none of the projected signings will make a scrap of difference. If midfielders are not allowed to press forward, the goal drought will continue. JW tries hard but is a complete embarrassment at this level. I sense the crowd will slowly but surely stay away and that we will be battling all season against relegation. We have some decent players but a very limited and totally stubborn manager whose job unfortunately is completely safe. Here's a bloke who talks some sense. Seen it all before and probably well enough qualified to have his views taken seriously. Think what he's saying is that TP is stagnant. That if it worked before, it'll work agian. I've been watching Stoke since the 1960's, Waddo just let the players get on with it. This side under TP are bound by shackles. I absolutey agree with mjb2. It's become boring and fruitless Don't agree with his job being safe though. You don't make millions if you're a fool.
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Post by hammered on Aug 29, 2012 2:17:26 GMT
Maybe not if Coates sees the Golden egg slipping away!!
Thing is any club that has stayed up after changing manager (in season) has been done early doors?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 29, 2012 2:27:07 GMT
I've been watching Stoke since the late 50s and was thrilled by our return to the Prem. However, the last 12-18 months have been mind-numbingly boring and TP's negative team selections, tactics and attitude are hard to take. On today's evidence, things will only get worse and none of the projected signings will make a scrap of difference. If midfielders are not allowed to press forward, the goal drought will continue. JW tries hard but is a complete embarrassment at this level. I sense the crowd will slowly but surely stay away and that we will be battling all season against relegation. We have some decent players but a very limited and totally stubborn manager whose job unfortunately is completely safe. Here's a bloke who talks some sense. Seen it all before and probably well enough qualified to have his views taken seriously. Think what he's saying is that TP is stagnant. That if it worked before, it'll work agian. I've been watching Stoke since the 1960's, Waddo just let the players get on with it. This side under TP are bound by shackles. I absolutey agree with mjb2. It's become boring and fruitless Don't agree with his job being safe though. You don't make millions if you're a fool. You also don't take to many risks, getting rid of Pulis would be a massive risk, and with the money coming in next season its just not going to happen.
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Post by hammered on Aug 29, 2012 2:32:43 GMT
correct
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Post by pegleg on Aug 29, 2012 2:41:41 GMT
For now.
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Post by stockportstokie on Aug 29, 2012 2:53:07 GMT
This season is now just about survival, forget the money on offer next year, if we go down we haven't got where with all to get straight back up and that would leave us truly fucked for years & years.
We can only hope Tony does what he does best, binary football that guarantees survival. To be in this predicament is just shameful given the money spent, we had the opportunity to really push on last season but Pulis fucked it up. I think some Stokies are in denial to the situation we find ourselves in, this league is the most competitive it's ever been (yes I know, we say that every year) but this season that overused cliche is actually true.
Unless we spunk yet more money, we're in a relegation battle this season for the first time, make no bones about it.
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Post by Bagwash on Aug 29, 2012 3:17:01 GMT
Whether Pulis stays or goes I'm starting to think we're on the brink of a significant downturn in our fortunes. Maybe that's just the way it goes for clubs our size. We had it very good for a while but just like Wolves,WBA, Leicester, Soton and other similar size clubs we're suffering from "where to now?". The fact is clubs like ours can only really aim to survive and have the odd tilt at a cup or top ten finish. Pulis has proved he can do both but unfortunately he doesn't seem able to do it with the style that people rightly expect of a stable Prem club. From what I can see its Catch 22. He stays and we get more of the same which will clearly not be good enough for a significant and increasing number of fans. He goes and we gamble that the next man can stamp his authority on a club which has TP's hallmark all over it. The lower divisions are littered with the carcasses of clubs who took that gamble and got it wrong. My big worry for replacing TP is who comes in. Names that have been linked or suggested in the past just don't fill me with confidence. Like I said, maybe it's just time to take the gamble and throw the dice. What concerns me is that it goes wrong and my 2 year old son won't get a chance to see Stoke in the Prem for another twenty years. Over dramatic maybe but after seeing Stoke three times in the old Div One I then had to wait over twenty years to see us back. So stick or twist. Still stick for me but the vibes aren't good. Excellent post Foxys,my thoughts exactly.Well said.
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