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Post by stockportstokie on Aug 26, 2012 17:57:47 GMT
I don't mind his tactics against the big teams as long as we get a result, which we did. We all know he's the master at killing games, but he doesn't show the ability to play in a manner that will win you games. The patience won't last much longer, we've spent enough money and been in this league long enough to expect us to be playing like a team that wants to win.
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Post by lancer on Aug 26, 2012 17:59:39 GMT
You're not allowed an opinion if it doesn't toe the party line with the 'red and white goggles' brigade. Watching the team play away doesn't count, obviously. The 'party line'by many on this board, is the same line they'd adopted before we'd kicked a ball under the managership of TP. The same TP that took us up/kept us up, and will continue to keep us up. If some of you want to have another mamager in a lower division,be carefull what you wish for. It's an old adage I know, but look at where we have been, for far too long. Is that preferable to being where we are, no matter how we stay here? True, we can hope to do better, we all do I'm sure, but just as surely, we could do a hell of a lot worse.
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Post by kevan45 on Aug 26, 2012 18:01:00 GMT
Well, he (and of course Mr Coates) got SCFC in to the premiership, and has kept us there, so, in a way he / they have turned what they touch in to gold.
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Post by tuum on Aug 26, 2012 18:02:31 GMT
i do see that we are starting to evolve our style of play with the signings of cameron, ness and possibly huddlestone, who are much more technical, 'passing' type players. i could even see today, although the alot of the time we kicked it long, we also tried playing it short and using the wings from the back sometimes. hopefully the huddlestone deal will be completed this week which will further help our style of play. i do believe that we are capable of fully evolving our play within the next couple of seasons. in TP we trust. (or at least I trust ) I can agree to an extent. I just hope TP can get somebody in up front to break up the Walters/Crouch partnership because it is not working.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2012 18:03:41 GMT
You're not allowed an opinion if it doesn't toe the party line with the 'red and white goggles' brigade. Watching the team play away doesn't count, obviously. The 'party line'by many on this board, is the same line they'd adopted before we'd kicked a ball under the managership of TP. The same TP that took us up/kept us up, and will continue to keep us up. If some of you want to have another mamager in a lower division,be carefull what you wish for. It's an old adage I know, but look at where we have been, for far too long. Is that preferable to being where we are, no matter how we stay here? True, we can hope to do better, we all do I'm sure, but just as surely, we could do a hell of a lot worse. I wondered how long it would take to trot this out. Pulis has been amply backed and has pissed millions up the wall. Do you honestly think no other manager could have got us into The Prem and kept us up? Thats just nonsense!!!
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 26, 2012 18:03:47 GMT
It's as simple as this, if you want Stoke to go down then be anti TP. If however you like being on motd every week, going to wembley and beyond, watching players like crouch, pennant, huth, ethers, kightly, jones then i suggest you support him and enjoy being a top flight team. One day we'll be back to watching players like henrik risom, riki dadason, and losing to teams like Nuneaton. At which point most of the anti TP brigade will have fucked off again, crawled back under your stones and the rest of us will still be going and longing for a bloke like TP to come along and get us to where we are now. The guy is a salt of the earth mans man. He's not a twat like Wenger, Pardew, Mancini, dalglish - cut him some slack. YOU NEGATIVE FANS ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM Please explain why Stoke will be relegated when Pulis leaves.
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Post by knype on Aug 26, 2012 18:08:16 GMT
This window and indeed this seasons a massive one for TP. Today showed how wasteful he has been with countless millions in the transfer window.
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Post by thevoid on Aug 26, 2012 18:09:29 GMT
It's as simple as this, if you want Stoke to go down then be anti TP. If however you like being on motd every week, going to wembley and beyond, watching players like crouch, pennant, huth, ethers, kightly, jones then i suggest you support him and enjoy being a top flight team. One day we'll be back to watching players like henrik risom, riki dadason, and losing to teams like Nuneaton. At which point most of the anti TP brigade will have fucked off again, crawled back under your stones and the rest of us will still be going and longing for a bloke like TP to come along and get us to where we are now. The guy is a salt of the earth mans man. He's not a twat like Wenger, Pardew, Mancini, dalglish - cut him some slack. YOU NEGATIVE FANS ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM Please explain why Stoke will be relegated when Pulis leaves. Rimmer Urban Myth #1
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Post by stockportstokie on Aug 26, 2012 18:11:08 GMT
Stoke will be relegated without Pulis blah blah blah. Complete fabricated bollox.
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 26, 2012 18:11:38 GMT
Sounds to me Void that you want these things to happen. I strongly agree with ST3Mark. TP is looking to bring more players in and I back him to get it right in the transfer market. The Oatcake were rightly strongly critical in today's issue of the bitter anti-TP brigade, who, LEST WE FORGET, if they had had their way a few short years ago, Stoke would never be on the same pitch as Arsenal, never mind complaining about a goalless draw with them. Please explain why TP was the only manager that could of got Stoke in this position.
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Post by ianrb1 on Aug 26, 2012 18:12:16 GMT
There is no doubt that we would be relegated if TP leaves. He gets the best out of players and garners a tremendous team spirit.
Perhaps those knocking him would like to suggest a replacement without trotting out some obscure name from Europe.
TP won't be going anywhere. He can build a legacy here and we will continue to progress.
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 26, 2012 18:14:31 GMT
There is no doubt that we would be relegated if TP leaves. He gets the best out of players and garners a tremendous team spirit. Perhaps those knocking him would like to suggest a replacement without trotting out some obscure name from Europe. TP won't be going anywhere. He can build a legacy here and we will continue to progress. Are you saying that there is no other manager who can get a tune from £84million worth of footballers?
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Post by stokeoptimist on Aug 26, 2012 18:14:37 GMT
NO
Its just an in built fact that some Stoke fans are never happy
I mean if they can turn on Waddo!
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Post by SidibeGod on Aug 26, 2012 18:15:58 GMT
There is no doubt that we would be relegated if TP leaves. He gets the best out of players and garners a tremendous team spirit. Perhaps those knocking him would like to suggest a replacement without trotting out some obscure name from Europe. TP won't be going anywhere. He can build a legacy here and we will continue to progress. This is by far the best post on this thread. But what do I know?
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Post by ianrb1 on Aug 26, 2012 18:17:23 GMT
When push comes to shove the MAJORITY back the manager and more importantly so does the Chairman. Yes, the majority have always backed him but whenever there has been a wobble a vociferous minority, have always been waiting to come out of the shadows. I think a lot of the knockers from years back decided to go off and do something else with their lives, but there is an increasingly number who only seem to have watched Stoke in the Premiership and don't appreciate what we have now. As Joni Mitchell sung 'don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone'
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Post by johnsmithsupper on Aug 26, 2012 18:18:00 GMT
The job is his until he decides he no longer wants it. Maybe thats the problem, md. Although i doubt he is currently that rock solid particularly after the discussions on financing the academy over tp's playing budget
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Post by ianrb1 on Aug 26, 2012 18:21:20 GMT
There is no doubt that we would be relegated if TP leaves. He gets the best out of players and garners a tremendous team spirit. Perhaps those knocking him would like to suggest a replacement without trotting out some obscure name from Europe. TP won't be going anywhere. He can build a legacy here and we will continue to progress. Are you saying that there is no other manager who can get a tune from £84million worth of footballers? Pugsley, you know full well that anyone who manages at the top level these days will at some point spend in excess of a million pounds on a player who turns out not to be as good as first thought. The long term matters more and TP gets far more right in the transfer market than he gets wrong. Think back to the days before TP and how many players who used to play for us seem to do better elsewhere, often coming here for their new clubs and scoring against us. Reel of a list of players who have left here under TP and tell me how many of done better/furthered themselves elsewhere. Will be a pretty short list.
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Post by SCFC92 on Aug 26, 2012 18:23:37 GMT
Stoke will be relegated without Pulis blah blah blah. Complete fabricated bollox. I sit right in the middle with this debate.. I am one who will criticise when he deserves it and praise when he deserves it.. Now... I actually don't think that statement is far off, our players have had all the flair and football knocked out of them by TP's very strict and stubborn ways that if another manager was to come in a try change the style etc I really believe our players would struggle to adapt.
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 26, 2012 18:25:18 GMT
Are you saying that there is no other manager who can get a tune from £84million worth of footballers? Pugsley, you know full well that anyone who manages at the top level these days will at some point spend in excess of a million pounds on a player who turns out not to be as good as first thought. The long term matters more and TP gets far more right in the transfer market than he gets wrong. Think back to the days before TP and how many players who used to play for us seem to do better elsewhere, often coming here for their new clubs and scoring against us. Reel of a list of players who have left here under TP and tell me how many of done better/furthered themselves elsewhere. Will be a pretty short list. I've never said he's wasted money. My question was Are you saying that there is no other manager who can get a tune from £84million worth of footballers? It's a simple question.
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Post by knype on Aug 26, 2012 18:25:49 GMT
Are you saying that there is no other manager who can get a tune from £84million worth of footballers? Pugsley, you know full well that anyone who manages at the top level these days will at some point spend in excess of a million pounds on a player who turns out not to be as good as first thought. The long term matters more and TP gets far more right in the transfer market than he gets wrong. Think back to the days before TP and how many players who used to play for us seem to do better elsewhere, often coming here for their new clubs and scoring against us. Reel of a list of players who have left here under TP and tell me how many of done better/furthered themselves elsewhere. Will be a pretty short list. But surely the sign of a good manager is learning from his mistakes and not making the same ones over and over and over again, in midfield we are still at the same level as when we got promoted this is down to the way we play and his obsession with the crab....
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Post by stockportstokie on Aug 26, 2012 18:28:25 GMT
The only argument to keeping Pulis is stability, that's it. The fact he's assembled a squad that's sole purpose is to play in a negative game killing fashion is down to him. That isn't a legitimate argument to keep TP, it's an indication that he's holding us back.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2012 18:30:35 GMT
Are you saying that there is no other manager who can get a tune from £84million worth of footballers? Pugsley, you know full well that anyone who manages at the top level these days will at some point spend in excess of a million pounds on a player who turns out not to be as good as first thought. The long term matters more and TP gets far more right in the transfer market than he gets wrong. Think back to the days before TP and how many players who used to play for us seem to do better elsewhere, often coming here for their new clubs and scoring against us. Reel of a list of players who have left here under TP and tell me how many of done better/furthered themselves elsewhere. Will be a pretty short list. His Premier League buys have pretty much consisted of squad fillers who weren't good enough or Premier League players in the autumn of their career (not saying the latter is a bad thing by the way). So it's pretty nailed on that it will be downhill once they leave the club. Only Begovic, Huth and Shawcross can improve their careers from here................
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Post by ianrb1 on Aug 26, 2012 18:32:53 GMT
Swansea, you obviously have a very elevated view of where they football club should be. I'd rather be gaining points against the likes of Arsenal than losing 3 or 4-2.
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 26, 2012 18:44:49 GMT
Once again answers to simple questions are ignored. I wonder why.
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Post by iglugluk on Aug 26, 2012 18:44:56 GMT
I thought we were going to establish ourselves as a Premiership team for the 1st 3 seasons then move on . That doesn't seem to have happened . Arsenal were shit today and we were even crapper . Guess if you only care about points and survival his style of play is adequate , however if you want any immediate enjoyment you'll have to get it elsewhere , on the whole . However it's an academic question anyway as Coates appears to love Pulis and his opinion is all that really counts
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Post by SCFC92 on Aug 26, 2012 18:47:00 GMT
The only argument to keeping Pulis is stability, that's it. The fact he's assembled a squad that's sole purpose is to play in a negative game killing fashion is down to him. That isn't a legitimate argument to keep TP, it's an indication that he's holding us back. I to some extent agree however I think if it is to happen is has to happen at the end of a Season (Perhaps when we're safe) to allow the new manager to stamp his authority and ideals on the team.. However I am whilst VERY bored happy to see TP stay at the Helm for a while longer, he deserves the opportunity to improve us after all he has done.
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Post by jarhead on Aug 26, 2012 18:53:13 GMT
STILL no creation,flair,ability to pass a ball consistently to a team mate,no goals and that useless idiot up top doing his best to be the most embarrassing striker after Sidibe with that pathetic late shot when in on goal, truly abysmal effort BUT at least he ran arrrrrrrrd to get on the end of it eh!!!
Truly uninspiring dross AGAIN!!
4 Wins in 24 and counting.
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Post by iglugluk on Aug 26, 2012 18:59:50 GMT
The only argument to keeping Pulis is stability, that's it. The fact he's assembled a squad that's sole purpose is to play in a negative game killing fashion is down to him. That isn't a legitimate argument to keep TP, it's an indication that he's holding us back. I to some extent agree however I think if it is to happen is has to happen at the end of a Season (Perhaps when we're safe) to allow the new manager to stamp his authority and ideals on the team.. However I am whilst VERY bored happy to see TP stay at the Helm for a while longer, he deserves the opportunity to improve us after all he has done. Fair enough, I guess , but how many seasons should it take and is there any sign that TP himself wants to improve our gameplay ?
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Post by lordb on Aug 26, 2012 19:01:50 GMT
crap match
then they got clapped off as usual
when I think back to the stick Mills,Jordan & eventually Ball got no I think it's safe to say the crowd hasn't turned
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Post by rawli on Aug 26, 2012 19:05:03 GMT
There is no doubt that we would be relegated if TP leaves. He gets the best out of players and garners a tremendous team spirit. Perhaps those knocking him would like to suggest a replacement without trotting out some obscure name from Europe. TP won't be going anywhere. He can build a legacy here and we will continue to progress. This is by far the best post on this thread. But what do I know? I think your name shows what you know.
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