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Post by yeokel on Aug 26, 2012 22:06:19 GMT
TP won't be going anywhere. He can build a legacy here and we will continue to progress. Yeah, but are you progressing? It doesn't look like it to me, although it is difficult to imagine where Stoke can progress to. Stoke is unlikely to break in to the top six or seven on a permanent basis, and is certainly good enough for mid table mediocrity without too many worries about relegation at the moment, but it is just so boring to watch, isn't it? Edit typo. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2012 22:24:52 GMT
4 wins from 24....didn't realise it was that bad  Something's got to give. |
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Post by prettything on Aug 26, 2012 23:38:37 GMT
The squad that we have is more than capable of holding its own in this division. Like most of the teams that can finish anywhere between 8th and 20th, we have a handful of 'precious' players who we hold in high esteem (and value), with the rest of the team and squad made up of lower prem/championship standard players. I think its complete bollocks to say that no other manager could get the most of out of team and we'd get relegated. If thats the case, then surely its a failure of the manager to build an established team so that when he leaves, somebody else can carry on his legacy? Thats what he wants right?? What they would do is utilise our midfield, get rid of the old dead wood and at least give us some hope that we could go to away matches with a belief that we'll win. Our away form over the past 4 years cant exactly get much worse can it. Lets look at the 'quality' of players in the teams who'll likely be around us: Villa: Agbonlahor, Albrighton, Bent, Nzogbia Fulham: Dempsey, Dembele, Duff, Etuhu, Riise QPR: Cisse, Onouha, Park, Wright Phillips (bought a lot of mediocre/average players) Reading: Nobody really, though McCleary made a promising start, picked up for free Southampton: Clyne and Lallana good prospects Sunderland: McLean, Richardson, Sessegnon, time will tell if Wickham will progress Swansea: Great start for Michu, other players from last season under spotlight this season West Brom: Brunt, Gera, Morrison West Ham: Noble, Nolan, Diame Wigan: Figueroa As for Stoke: Huth, Shawcross, Palacios, Pennant, Crouch - two of whom are a risk and another one who is wrong side of 30. There's not actually many players from other clubs around us that would improve us for good value. Similarly, there's not many players from Stoke that would improve teams around us for good value. BUT, the difference between us and most if not all of the above, is that we're the only ones who dont seem to go to win games, or at least portray a belief that we'll get a result. They will all be much more positive. That's all I think most people are asking for. We're not wanting or expecting world class players and entertainment...just a bit of hope and belief that we can win. And out of those teams listed above...look where some of them have come from!! (winky smily thing) As for anybody who suggests that we should only settle for what we have now, that this is the pinnacle - what a sad, uneventful and unfulfilled life it must be. To accept that things wont get any better, to not even to want to strive for better. If I had that attitude, I wouldn't be where I am now. Not once have I said to myself 'look where I've come from' and thought 'this is the best it can get for me'. My own success over the last five years has drastically changed, just like Stoke's. But I cant afford to keep with the same formula because its worked in the past. I certainly cant afford to believe that if I tried something else, I'd lose it all. The fact is, there's a shit load of other people out there wanting a slice of the money thats available, and you have to continually improve to make sure you keep your slice. You can compare it to anything you want. 10 years ago, people wanted to by a mobile phone that allowed them to call and text people. Now, some people still just want a phone that allows them to call and text, but things have changed, and people now want the music, videos, internet, emails, apps. Imagine if Nokia had thought 'look where we've come from, we're happy to just have a phone limited to calling and texting'. How about if Apple had thought 'how can we compete?' Things change, things improve, and you have to keep on top of the game. If TP isnt going to change, then he will be the one that will ultimately cause the downfall - not the increasing number of hard working fans who want to at least come back from a game with a buzz and, even if we dont get the result we want, to feel we at least did our best, didn't limit our own abilities and had belief that we were the better team |
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Post by prettything on Aug 26, 2012 23:51:30 GMT
Great post proudforpotters.
Everything you say holds water, although others may not of given you credit.
Taking everything you most eloquently stated into account, I think this season will be the measure of whether Pulis has, and can take us forward, or whether he does need to be replaced.
As I mentioned, the season before last, we saw strides in both our playing style and success in the various competions we took part in.
Granted, last season was uninspiring and lacked what we had witnessed in the previous campaign.
I'm not a rimmer or a delusionist, and admit that the current football is stale and oh so ugly on the eye.
He does deserve a season, and if,at the end of this campaign, we are fed the same dire, negative tripe we witnessed last year, then I will agree with what has been said by some on here.
Let's just see, eh?
This post will fall on deaf ears, but at least I've said my bit.
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Post by starkiller on Aug 26, 2012 23:57:35 GMT
I'm just happy that he's started the season with Huth in the centre. Still trying to erase the bad memory of that particular cranky decision to split him and Shawcross up.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2012 7:55:08 GMT
Thing is fans pay to watch stoke play, not other teams and all the big names play against us. When you watch 90mins of football where your team rarely attacks, playing at home too, it is a bit demorilising.
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Post by scrubbz on Aug 27, 2012 10:30:02 GMT
Replacing the threat and excitement that fuller and delaps throw ins bought is proving very difficult and very expensive . I think if the manager does possess the ability to do it , he would have a better shot at it on a budget , as that's when he tends to be at his best.my memory isn't great , but I'm sure we were no less a threat when we were starting shotten up front .the manager has earned the right to try and sort it out ,but how much time and money he should be allowed is the main point . You could argue he's had the time and backing already and enough is enough , but you have to take into account the size of the task at hand .after all , if it were that easy we would all be football managers.
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Post by nott1 on Aug 27, 2012 11:17:08 GMT
So Dumbo's, who would do a better job that Coates could get to come here?
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Post by phil51 on Aug 27, 2012 11:36:02 GMT
No, the tide is not turning against Tony Pulis - not where I sit at least.
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Post by Macko on Aug 27, 2012 11:36:25 GMT
I don't want Pulis to go, I want him to acknowledge he needs to change and the tactics must change.
If he can't see that then I'll take Gus Poyet thank you very much. Better contacts, solid foundation in English football and a footballer.
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Post by jonnynico on Aug 27, 2012 12:52:18 GMT
im sure we all have an opinion ?? Not on here we don't, only the certain few have that privelidge on here ( or so they think) |
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Post by scrubbz on Aug 27, 2012 13:07:45 GMT
Getting rid of the manager now with the squad we have would be a bit daft and I can't help but think the club would head in the same direction as bolton and blackburn . I also think the manager has earned the right to try and fix the obvious problems we have as a team. The problem is if our manager has the ability (I actually think ..or at least hope he has) or the intention to change it... If he hasn't..then what? That would surely be as crazy as replacing him. Its a no win situation. The choices are back the manager and team one hundred percent and hope they , as a unit , can find the magic formula again, or push for change and risk ripping the clubaart and undoing all the hard work that has been done. At the moment it looks like a lone has been drawn...and there's a fifty fifty split in opinion.
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Post by johnsmithsupper on Aug 27, 2012 13:13:11 GMT
Yes I'm afraid
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Post by tuum on Aug 27, 2012 13:26:28 GMT
I don't want Pulis to go, I want him to acknowledge he needs to change and the tactics must change. If he can't see that then I'll take Gus Poyet thank you very much. Better contacts, solid foundation in English football and a footballer. I agree with your first sentence. |
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Post by werrington on Aug 27, 2012 13:27:13 GMT
No, the tide is not turning against Tony Pulis - not where I sit at least. Do you sit in the dugout ? I think we have found our ITK Stokie  |
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Post by jann63 on Aug 27, 2012 14:12:37 GMT
YES YES YES
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Post by gazzaboy on Aug 27, 2012 18:42:03 GMT
It seems to me that supporters are not allowed to voice an opinon on this site, but how about supporters who have not re-newed the season tickets this season due to being fed up with the negative football we have to watch under Pulis, I have a season ticket in the Boothen End and have done so since we have been at the Brit, 2 ticket holders who sit by me have not re-newed this time both have been coming Stoke for 25years, plus 2 guys who sit behind in their 60`s and have supported Stoke for over 40 years reason "crap" football, they had calls from the Ticket Office asking why they had not re-newed has one said " how many reason do you need".
Credit to TP for getting us and keeping us in the Prem, and FA Cup runs plus Europe but surely it`s time to improve the football and be more positive and a bit more attractive.
Recently I had a conversation with some one close to a Board member who told me " Pulis has a job for life at Stoke"
maybe it will take more supporters "walking away" to make Coates take action.
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Post by lostinafrenchbar on Aug 27, 2012 18:50:32 GMT
Well yes, if no one turned up then Pulis would have to go. But a few people not renewing their season tickets wouldn't make a difference. A few thousand would. That wont happen, so that's the end of that. Those who can't stand watching Stoke under Pulis will just have to think of something else to do till he either pops it or decides to manage Wales.
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 27, 2012 18:51:59 GMT
No, the tide is not turning against Tony Pulis - not where I sit at least. How is solitary confinement these days....? |
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Post by mark1863 on Aug 27, 2012 19:02:54 GMT
The tide against pulis turning and will turn a lot quicker if he doesnt sort out the totally negative tactics soon away numbers have halved last couple of seasons and home attendances will surely fall if this dross is served up much longer
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Post by foxysgloves on Aug 27, 2012 19:09:59 GMT
Whether Pulis stays or goes I'm starting to think we're on the brink of a significant downturn in our fortunes.
Maybe that's just the way it goes for clubs our size. We had it very good for a while but just like Wolves,WBA, Leicester, Soton and other similar size clubs we're suffering from "where to now?".
The fact is clubs like ours can only really aim to survive and have the odd tilt at a cup or top ten finish.
Pulis has proved he can do both but unfortunately he doesn't seem able to do it with the style that people rightly expect of a stable Prem club.
From what I can see its Catch 22. He stays and we get more of the same which will clearly not be good enough for a significant and increasing number of fans. He goes and we gamble that the next man can stamp his authority on a club which has TP's hallmark all over it.
The lower divisions are littered with the carcasses of clubs who took that gamble and got it wrong. My big worry for replacing TP is who comes in.
Names that have been linked or suggested in the past just don't fill me with confidence.
Like I said, maybe it's just time to take the gamble and throw the dice. What concerns me is that it goes wrong and my 2 year old son won't get a chance to see Stoke in the Prem for another twenty years. Over dramatic maybe but after seeing Stoke three times in the old Div One I then had to wait over twenty years to see us back.
So stick or twist. Still stick for me but the vibes aren't good.
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 27, 2012 20:16:28 GMT
Whether Pulis stays or goes I'm starting to think we're on the brink of a significant downturn in our fortunes. Maybe that's just the way it goes for clubs our size. We had it very good for a while but just like Wolves,WBA, Leicester, Soton and other similar size clubs we're suffering from "where to now?". The fact is clubs like ours can only really aim to survive and have the odd tilt at a cup or top ten finish. Pulis has proved he can do both but unfortunately he doesn't seem able to do it with the style that people rightly expect of a stable Prem club. From what I can see its Catch 22. He stays and we get more of the same which will clearly not be good enough for a significant and increasing number of fans. He goes and we gamble that the next man can stamp his authority on a club which has TP's hallmark all over it. The lower divisions are littered with the carcasses of clubs who took that gamble and got it wrong. My big worry for replacing TP is who comes in. Names that have been linked or suggested in the past just don't fill me with confidence. Like I said, maybe it's just time to take the gamble and throw the dice. What concerns me is that it goes wrong and my 2 year old son won't get a chance to see Stoke in the Prem for another twenty years. Over dramatic maybe but after seeing Stoke three times in the old Div One I then had to wait over twenty years to see us back. So stick or twist. Still stick for me but the vibes aren't good. Good post mate. |
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Post by sutekh on Aug 27, 2012 20:26:08 GMT
One day you'll smell safety where there'll be no safety and on that day pulis will go to his grave,but he'll rise again within the hour,he will rise and beckon,then all,all save one shall follow.
May the heavens bless us all.
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Post by takeshikovacs on Aug 27, 2012 20:32:13 GMT
Until Stoke look like getting relegated under Pulis we should stick with him - he brought us into the Prem, and has kept us there for the fifth season. He needs credit for that.
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Post by stockportstokie on Aug 27, 2012 20:46:16 GMT
Until Stoke look like getting relegated under Pulis we should stick with him - he brought us into the Prem, and has kept us there for the fifth season. He needs credit for that. Coates deserves the credit. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2012 20:47:45 GMT
Until Stoke look like getting relegated under Pulis we should stick with him - he brought us into the Prem, and has kept us there for the fifth season. He needs credit for that. Coates deserves the credit. Utter bollocks  they both deserve equal credit for whats happened to our club. |
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Post by takeshikovacs on Aug 27, 2012 20:47:48 GMT
Until Stoke look like getting relegated under Pulis we should stick with him - he brought us into the Prem, and has kept us there for the fifth season. He needs credit for that. Coates deserves the credit. Both deserve a lot of credit in my view. |
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Post by stockportstokie on Aug 27, 2012 20:49:40 GMT
We wouldn't be where we are without Coates' investment, whereas another manager could have done the same job if given the same budget.
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 27, 2012 20:51:12 GMT
Until Stoke look like getting relegated under Pulis we should stick with him - he brought us into the Prem, and has kept us there for the fifth season. He needs credit for that. Coates deserves the credit. The manager deserves equal credit. It's the way he has done it that grinds. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2012 20:52:29 GMT
We wouldn't be where we are without Coates' investment, whereas another manager could have done the same job if given the same budget. You haven't got a clue if that would have happened whereas this did happen FACT. |
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they both deserve equal credit for whats happened to our club.
