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Post by thevoid on Aug 26, 2012 16:29:30 GMT
Going on the mood of the crowd in our part of the ground today, plus the walk to the car, and P&G (not to mention on here, although apparently this forum doesn't reflect the thoughts of the average Stokie : ...I get the impression that even supporters who weren't vehemently anti-TP are starting to voice concerns about our glorious leader's negative approach. Before anyone says 'it was Arsenal FFS'- these concerns are not based on one game but a soul-destroying approach since New Year that has achieved four wins from 24 league games. A poor performance in the Swindon game, or in some of the 'peer club' home games after the Man City game and I really can see the crowd turning.
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Post by hoofmagic on Aug 26, 2012 17:18:54 GMT
TP's CARD IS BEING MARKED,
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Post by nott1 on Aug 26, 2012 17:19:06 GMT
Only Dumbo's criticize TP. Look what he has done for this club in a few short years!
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Post by hoofmagic on Aug 26, 2012 17:20:14 GMT
im sure we all have an opinion ??
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Post by thevoid on Aug 26, 2012 17:22:42 GMT
You're not allowed an opinion if it doesn't toe the party line with the 'red and white goggles' brigade.
Watching the team play away doesn't count, obviously.
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Post by stokeramblers on Aug 26, 2012 17:23:01 GMT
TP's CARD IS BEING MARKED,
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Post by jay1610 on Aug 26, 2012 17:26:48 GMT
Bexhill, so Pulis can't be criticised for not being able to effect tactical changes upon a side? He can't be criticised for shoe-horning multi-million pound players into his 3rd division system? I don't expect us to play like Barcelona. If we still had the same players we had when we'd come up then I'd have no qualms with us battling against the odds and setting up every game with the aim to not concede at all costs. However, today saw the most negative performance against Arsenal at home in 5 seasons, despite it being easily the worst Arsenal side we've faced. In my eyes that amounts to regression, for which the manager should be culpable.
Yes, it's only one game. But we've played this way since December 2011.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2012 17:26:55 GMT
Lets see what business he does between now and the window closing and see where we're at after the table takes shape after 10 games and new players have bedded in. Only then can we make a judgement on whether we have improved.
My head says we have enough experience to keep grinding out points but the chronic lack of goals are a major concern even to those who are more symathetic towards Pulis.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2012 17:27:44 GMT
Only Dumbo's criticize TP. Look what he has done for this club in a few short years! I was going to come up with a measured response on how we should be allowed an opinion and freedom of speech etc. I was going to list why I think Tony Pulis has served his time at Stoke and we may be its time we moved on, but i really can't be arsed. I just say that he's sucking the life out of football for me. Its about excitement, scoring goals, goal mouth action, crunching tackles, dribbling and diving headers. Pulis wouldn't know good football if it came up to him, whipped his daft baseball cap off and slapped nut on him. he hasn't got a clue how to play any other way. To be honest its absolute shite!! Dumbo No1
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Post by jay1610 on Aug 26, 2012 17:29:50 GMT
Bugger off greenhoff I criticised him first! #DumboNo1
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Post by PerCyfilth ....Captains Log on Aug 26, 2012 17:31:04 GMT
Frightening thing was watching him trot off with a massive cheshire cat grin on his face. If he thinks that performance was acceptable we are in the deep brown stuff. Once again more baffling subs bringing on a "player" Shotton who is Div! at most. We are truly fucked.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2012 17:31:56 GMT
I think this question should be left to the fans who go and watch every week, home and away. If they are happy then so be it, if not, then they should call for a meeting with pulis rather than go down the booing the manager route, which only destroys a team.
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Post by st3mark on Aug 26, 2012 17:32:34 GMT
It's as simple as this, if you want Stoke to go down then be anti TP. If however you like being on motd every week, going to wembley and beyond, watching players like crouch, pennant, huth, ethers, kightly, jones then i suggest you support him and enjoy being a top flight team.
One day we'll be back to watching players like henrik risom, riki dadason, and losing to teams like Nuneaton. At which point most of the anti TP brigade will have fucked off again, crawled back under your stones and the rest of us will still be going and longing for a bloke like TP to come along and get us to where we are now.
The guy is a salt of the earth mans man. He's not a twat like Wenger, Pardew, Mancini, dalglish - cut him some slack.
YOU NEGATIVE FANS ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM
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Post by mark71 on Aug 26, 2012 17:33:01 GMT
The tide has been turning for the last 9 months.
pulis's failure to address any of the issues in the summer will be his downfall.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2012 17:34:58 GMT
It's as simple as this, if you want Stoke to go down then be anti TP. If however you like being on motd every week, going to wembley and beyond, watching players like crouch, pennant, huth, ethers, kightly, jones then i suggest you support him and enjoy being a top flight team. One day we'll be back to watching players like henrik risom, riki dadason, and losing to teams like Nuneaton. At which point most of the anti TP brigade will have fucked off again, crawled back under your stones and the rest of us will still be going and longing for a bloke like TP to come along and get us to where we are now. The guy is a salt of the earth mans man. He's not a twat like Wenger, Pardew, Mancini, dalglish - cut him some slack. YOU NEGATIVE FANS ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM Simplistic and a little bit patronising. People pay good money and are entitled to be concerned get off your high horse.
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Post by tuum on Aug 26, 2012 17:35:18 GMT
Lets see what business he does between now and the window closing and see where we're at after the table takes shape after 10 games and new players have bedded in. Only then can we make a judgement on whether we have improved. My head says we have enough experience to keep grinding out points but the chronic lack of goals are a major concern even to those who are more symathetic towards Pulis. There lies the voice of reason. My thoughts exactly.
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Post by thevoid on Aug 26, 2012 17:41:18 GMT
I'm not concerned whether he's 'salt of the Earth' or a 'twat'- his character is of no relevance to me as a Stoke fan.
What is relevant to me as a Stoke fan is his unwillingness to adapt, his Blue Square-level tactics, negative approach to games (be it Arsenal, Wigan or QPR), persistence with playing out of form players and quite frankly bizarre substitutions.
Pardew may be a 'twat', but he's a twat who's cobbled together a set of players we'd love to see down here.
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Post by tuum on Aug 26, 2012 17:41:26 GMT
My issue with Pulis is not whether we can grind out results (for me that is a given) it's whether he can get back to a less negative approach. I don't think for a minute we will be relegated but I have genuine concerns that we will stand still..and that we will stand still whilst boring the pants off the supporters. For me, that is not acceptable.
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Post by seddonstandviewer on Aug 26, 2012 17:41:58 GMT
Two games in we are unbeaten against a newly promoted side away from home and a top 6 side at home. We've scored one goal and conceded one.
I'd say it's a tidy start with plenty more to come after the close of the window.
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Post by march4 on Aug 26, 2012 17:43:16 GMT
I'm not concerned whether he's 'salt of the Earth' or a 'twat'- his character is of no relevance to me as a Stoke fan. What is relevant to me as a Stoke fan is his unwillingness to adapt, his Blue Square-level tactics, negative approach to games (be it Arsenal, Wigan or QPR), persistence with playing out of form players and quite frankly bizarre substitutions. Pardew may be a 'twat', but he's a twat who's cobbled together a set of players we'd love to see down here. With an unfathomably large wage bill that would not be out of place at the biggest clubs in the country. That is what Pardew has brought to Newcastle and they will pay for it in time.
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Post by mjb2 on Aug 26, 2012 17:43:55 GMT
I've been watching Stoke since the late 50s and was thrilled by our return to the Prem. However, the last 12-18 months have been mind-numbingly boring and TP's negative team selections, tactics and attitude are hard to take. On today's evidence, things will only get worse and none of the projected signings will make a scrap of difference. If midfielders are not allowed to press forward, the goal drought will continue. JW tries hard but is a complete embarrassment at this level. I sense the crowd will slowly but surely stay away and that we will be battling all season against relegation. We have some decent players but a very limited and totally stubborn manager whose job unfortunately is completely safe.
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Post by Olgrligm on Aug 26, 2012 17:47:19 GMT
The job is his until he decides he no longer wants it.
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Post by Northy on Aug 26, 2012 17:49:25 GMT
TP = King Canute?
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Post by stokeramblers on Aug 26, 2012 17:50:39 GMT
The tide has been turning for the last 9 months. pulis's failure to address any of the issues in the summer will be his downfall.
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Post by ianrb1 on Aug 26, 2012 17:51:56 GMT
Sounds to me Void that you want these things to happen. I strongly agree with ST3Mark.
TP is looking to bring more players in and I back him to get it right in the transfer market.
The Oatcake were rightly strongly critical in today's issue of the bitter anti-TP brigade, who, LEST WE FORGET, if they had had their way a few short years ago, Stoke would never be on the same pitch as Arsenal, never mind complaining about a goalless draw with them.
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Post by stokiejoeofalsager on Aug 26, 2012 17:54:59 GMT
i do see that we are starting to evolve our style of play with the signings of cameron, ness and possibly huddlestone, who are much more technical, 'passing' type players. i could even see today, although the alot of the time we kicked it long, we also tried playing it short and using the wings from the back sometimes. hopefully the huddlestone deal will be completed this week which will further help our style of play. i do believe that we are capable of fully evolving our play within the next couple of seasons. in TP we trust. (or at least I trust )
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Post by mjb2 on Aug 26, 2012 17:56:16 GMT
Substitute the word bitter for realistic, ianrb 1....far better sub than any of TP's today!
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Post by dutchstokie on Aug 26, 2012 17:56:55 GMT
The job is his until he decides he no longer wants it. Personally I think he'll walk at the end of the season. Wish it was sooner but there you go.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2012 17:57:18 GMT
When push comes to shove the MAJORITY back the manager and more importantly so does the Chairman.
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Post by jeycov on Aug 26, 2012 17:57:34 GMT
Had we not conceded that late penalty at Reading we would be looking at 4 points right now.
As with last week, we are not making enough opportunities to shoot and score
We also need to bring in at least one more player who is capable of significantly improving our attacking record. Peter Crouch needs more support in attack.
Let's hope we can be a bit more positive this time next week - we need to keep faith with TP and the players need to come up with the goods on the pitch
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