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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 16, 2012 16:45:23 GMT
The papers love making us look small time They don't need much help on this one imo. We could have saved a few grand keeping Tonge at home and giving it to the MLS.
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Post by nutterpotter on Jul 17, 2012 7:46:29 GMT
As of 8 hours ago:
Jose de Jesus Ortizþ@OrtizKicks
Nothing new on MLS-Stoke talks for @geoffcameron. Sides spoke today and hope to speak tomorrow to see if they can narrow down open issues
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Post by ravonrazor on Jul 17, 2012 7:52:39 GMT
www.football411.com/story/0,22162,14287_7904826,00.html? Has anybody seen this, from this news site we are only offering £650,000... ever likely they turned it down if true
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Post by nutterpotter on Jul 17, 2012 7:58:39 GMT
www.football411.com/story/0,22162,14287_7904826,00.html? Has anybody seen this, from this news site we are only offering £650,000... ever likely they turned it down if true Surely that can't be true!
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Post by Binndy on Jul 17, 2012 8:02:37 GMT
G cameron is valued at 1.5 million. The MLS want 2.2 m. Stoke city bidded low to start up talks. I would not blame stoke city to up their bid and say final offer take it or leave it. The greed of clubs players and agents needs to stop.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 17, 2012 8:13:28 GMT
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Jul 17, 2012 8:13:30 GMT
Binndy, it's nothing to do with the club, the player or his agent. The MLS hold his contract and have valued him based on whatever criteria they use which I'm sure they believe is fair and true. Keep up lad!
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Post by superjonnywalters on Jul 17, 2012 8:16:52 GMT
I agree the club shouldn't throw money around and should stick to their guns etc etc. It just seems a strange one, if we really believe this player can cut it at PL level, a few hundred thousand really is a pittance. Surely if we think he IS good enough, then he's a bargain at £1m, £1.5m or £2m. At any of those prices he's a snippet. If we don't think he's worth £2m then ultimatley he's probably not good enough. Maybe this is a sign of things to come and we won't go around throwing money at the likes of Tonge and the lessons of Arismendi have been learnt?
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Jul 17, 2012 8:27:50 GMT
The club should offer what they think he is worth. If they want more then move on. You wouldn't spend £250.000 on a house if it was worth £100,000 would ya?
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 17, 2012 8:30:35 GMT
Seems bizarre that we think he's worth £1.5m and a 3/4-year deal.
But refuse to go to £2m and a 4-year deal, when both sums are chicken feed in our colossal budget, especially after this recent blockbuster Sky deal.
It's obviously about wanting to be seen to 'win' the negotiations, so Scholes can come away feeling like a big man - rather than any desire for prudence. Even our recent track record shows prudence is not our middle name as we continue to piss money up the wall.
It's a strange fight to pick when the farce can be brought to a clean conclusion by paying a fair price - and that means adding 3 or 4 months of Tonge's salary to our lowball offer.
I don't think you can argue that, in this market, any player you want to bring in to a Premier League team, from anywhere, SHOULD be worth £2m to you = particularly a 27-year-old international. He's not a kid.
Bolton paid £2.5 for Ream, a player who MLS watchers generally seem to feel is inferior to Cameron.
Cameron seems a nice, level headed guy in that interview - but his mind seems absolutely frazzled with the negotiating process.
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Post by nutterpotter on Jul 17, 2012 8:30:56 GMT
The club should offer what they think he is worth. If they want more then move on. You wouldn't spend £250.000 on a house if it was worth £100,000 would ya? I would most definitely spend £250 on a house if it was worth £100,000. Who wouldn't?!
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Post by Binndy on Jul 17, 2012 8:33:35 GMT
To my way of thinking the " agent " is mls. Yes they own the contracts. They are trying to use stoke city to set precedence for the sale of future players. Therefore raising the bar on valuation. Before stoke enquired he was valued at 1.5 m. The mls are being greedy to get a good price for players in the future. My generalized comment of players clubs and agents ,was just saying the mls are no different than the rest of the football world when it comes to the buying and selling of players, but money greed needs to stop.
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Post by stokeramblers on Jul 17, 2012 8:35:33 GMT
Seems bizarre that we think he's worth £1.5m and a 3/4-year deal. But refuse to go to £2m and a 4-year deal, when both sums are chicken feed. It's obviously about wanting to be seen to 'win' the negotiations, so Scholes can come away feeling like a big man - rather than any desire for prudence. Even our recent track record shows prudence is not our middle name as we continue to piss money up the wall. It's a strange fight to pick when the farce can be brought to a clean conclusion by paying a fair price - and that means adding 3 or 4 months of Tonge's salary to our lowball offer. I don't think you can argue that, in this market, any player you want to bring in to a Premier League team, from anywhere, SHOULD be worth £2m to you. Cameron seems a nice; level headed guy in that interview - but his mind seems absolutely frazzled with the negotiating process. Scholesy insists that Don Garber and Chris Canetti call him the 'Big Dawg' WOOF Yo Muthas gotta let the big Dawg bark! Ya Dig!
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 17, 2012 8:37:00 GMT
To my way of thinking the " agent " is mls. Yes they own the contracts. They are trying to use stoke city to set precedence for the sale of future players. Therefore raising the bar on valuation. Before stoke enquired he was valued at 1.5 m. The mls are being greedy to get a good price for players in the future. My generalized comment of players clubs and agents ,was just saying the mls are no different than the rest of the football world when it comes to the buying and selling of players, but money greed needs to stop. MLS are being perfectly reasonable IMO. They don't want to be known as a league where small European teams can come in and take their crown jewels for piss-taking sums. They sold Ream last year for £2.5m. Surely that's a precedent of sorts. Same position, same buying league. And yet we seem to think Cameron is worth just over 50% of that? MLS are quite rightly telling us to get real.
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Post by superjonnywalters on Jul 17, 2012 8:41:24 GMT
You wouldn't spend £250.000 on a house if it was worth £100,000 would ya? Its ok taking that stance on this deal, and on the other hand throwing money at Michael fucking Tonge, who has contributed frig all for God knows how many years.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Jul 17, 2012 8:46:19 GMT
You wouldn't spend £250.000 on a house if it was worth £100,000 would ya? Its ok taking that stance on this deal, and on the other hand throwing money at Michael fucking Tonge, who has contributed frig all for God knows how many years. Maybe we are learning from past deals then?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 17, 2012 8:47:34 GMT
To my way of thinking the " agent " is mls. Yes they own the contracts. They are trying to use stoke city to set precedence for the sale of future players. Therefore raising the bar on valuation. Before stoke enquired he was valued at 1.5 m. The mls are being greedy to get a good price for players in the future. My generalized comment of players clubs and agents ,was just saying the mls are no different than the rest of the football world when it comes to the buying and selling of players, but money greed needs to stop. MLS are being perfectly reasonable IMO. They don't want to be known as a league where small European teams can come in and take their crown jewels for piss-taking sums. They sold Ream last year for £2.5m. Surely that's a precedent of sorts. Same position, same buying league. And yet we seem to think Cameron is worth just over 50% of that? MLS are quite rightly telling us to get real. Indeed. Surely we didn't expect the MLS to just gilbly accept our opening offer - more like we offered 1.5 million, in the knowledge that they wouldn't simply accept it and would value him at a bit more, probably something in the region of 2 to 2.5 mil. That's why we didn't offer 6,7,8 or whatever 100k initially and made the (very) specific offer we did, you would have thought. As you say, it does seem a bit of a strange fight to pick.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 17, 2012 8:47:39 GMT
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Post by nutterpotter on Jul 17, 2012 8:47:43 GMT
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Post by Binndy on Jul 17, 2012 8:57:13 GMT
I think stoke city are one of the clubs that are getting real. Keeping the selling price and purchase price along with the player wages realistic. Today our beloved Fuller has no club to join,because his wage demands are stupid. A stance on the raising fiances needs to happen. Along with balancing of having a quality PL team. I hope that G cameron joins stoke city, definately, there needs to be some stance on finances.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 17, 2012 8:58:47 GMT
Seems bizarre that we think he's worth £1.5m and a 3/4-year deal. But refuse to go to £2m and a 4-year deal, when both sums are chicken feed in our colossal budget, especially after this recent blockbuster Sky deal. It's obviously about wanting to be seen to 'win' the negotiations, so Scholes can come away feeling like a big man - rather than any desire for prudence. Even our recent track record shows prudence is not our middle name as we continue to piss money up the wall. It's a strange fight to pick when the farce can be brought to a clean conclusion by paying a fair price - and that means adding 3 or 4 months of Tonge's salary to our lowball offer. I don't think you can argue that, in this market, any player you want to bring in to a Premier League team, from anywhere, SHOULD be worth £2m to you = particularly a 27-year-old international. He's not a kid. Bolton paid £2.5 for Ream, a player who MLS watchers generally seem to feel is inferior to Cameron. Cameron seems a nice, level headed guy in that interview - but his mind seems absolutely frazzled with the negotiating process. Comes across very well. Also talks very much as if he thinks it will go through. Hope so, I have a good feeling about him. Then again I had a good feeling about Danny Collins too
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Post by ruts66 on Jul 17, 2012 9:14:16 GMT
This is very public as Stoke dealings go and I'm not sure whether it makes us look cheap or prudent to other prospective clubs, agents and players.
I just hope the spotlight doesn't do us any harm...
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Post by Binndy on Jul 17, 2012 9:16:44 GMT
i believe it 4.15 am in Houston, lets hope there is news tonight.
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Post by superjonnywalters on Jul 17, 2012 9:16:51 GMT
Having thought about it, aren't transfer fees usually related to wages and length of contract?
3k a week x 52 = £156,000 156,000 x 4 = £624,000
Maybe thats the stance we're taking??
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Post by ruts66 on Jul 17, 2012 9:19:53 GMT
Having thought about it, aren't transfer fees usually related to wages and length of contract? 3k a week x 52 = £156,000 156,000 x 4 = £624,000 Maybe thats the stance we're taking?? 3 grand ;D And a room at the Holiday Inn Express, Alan Partridge style, I hope...
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Post by nutterpotter on Jul 17, 2012 9:23:06 GMT
This is very public as Stoke dealings go and I'm not sure whether it makes us look cheap or prudent to other prospective clubs, agents and players. I just hope the spotlight doesn't do us any harm... Yeah but it is not as though we have made it public. It was people in America who made it public.
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Post by superjonnywalters on Jul 17, 2012 9:24:04 GMT
Having thought about it, aren't transfer fees usually related to wages and length of contract? 3k a week x 52 = £156,000 156,000 x 4 = £624,000 Maybe thats the stance we're taking?? 3 grand ;D And a room at the Holiday Inn Express, Alan Partridge style, I hope... That is what he is earning currently, according to reports.
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Post by Danstoke82 on Jul 17, 2012 12:06:35 GMT
Can the club really fuck this one up?
A player seemingly desperate to join the club. On pretty average wages per week. His club keen to sell him on. Contract owned by an organisation who are willing to sell at a decent price.
Yet still, we are struggling on it.
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Post by seddonstandviewer on Jul 17, 2012 12:10:04 GMT
I think we're now seeing the real reason as to why it takes us ages to do our deals.
We ring them up every day quoting the same price as the day before, before finally giving in on deadline day.
Thank god for the MLS and its transparency....
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Post by Maccca100 on Jul 17, 2012 12:54:56 GMT
How the hell do you find this stuff
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