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Post by foster on Jul 14, 2012 14:14:57 GMT
He's a 2 time MLS All Star, so must be worth 15m at least.
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Post by mrpickles on Jul 14, 2012 14:21:17 GMT
and there is the problem. Stoke's offer is on the table, Houston have come out and said themselves that they are happy with the fee, Cameron has told the MLS that he wants the move, but the MLS are dragging their feet because they want him to stay in America. How this can turn out to be Stoke's fault I don't know. Largely agree, Pickles. But around £1.2m seems a bit low. The Houston fans seemed to feel the £1.7m that was earlier mentioned was fair enough in the context of MLS - but if we haven't gone above £1.2m, you can see why MLS are maybe dragging their heels, in terms of setting a dangerous precedent for future fees. I don't blame us for trying to get him as cheap as possible obviously - but if it's this that's causing this interminable delay, surely we'll pretty quickly agree to bung another few hundred thousand dollars at them to grease the wheels. In this day and age, this kind of fee really is chicken feed. If we genuinely think he can bring something to a Premier League squad, surely we won't let a few months of Michael 'contract extension' Tonge's salary stand in the way Bringing Michael Tonge into the equation is just unfair mate ;D You could look at it the other way too FM. What good will an extra 500k do, if the primary aim of the MLS is to keep Geoff Cameron over there, especially when you consider they only get 1/3 of it? To me, it just sounds like they are trying to be awkward buggers, and by all accounts they have previous for doing exactly that in other deals.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 14, 2012 14:26:00 GMT
True. All the MLS fans seem to have no idea about the motives behind the inconsistent decisions from MLS HQ.
But even Jose Whatshisname was saying that MLS have, ultimately, gone back to Stoke with a figure that they'd accept after Cameron's protestations - and you can't imagine it would be a colossal hike?
While they've got a history of being awkward, maybe they just want to put a marker down and let Euro teams know that they can't absolutely take the piss with offers?
The MLS fans seemed to think £1.7m was a fair enough price in the context of past MLS sales, but when you don't budge from £1.2m, you can maybe see where they're potentially coming from, even though Houston themselves seem happy enough.
And with Houston and Cameron on record as supporting it, you'd think they'd have to let him go in the end, one way or another
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Post by Squeekster on Jul 14, 2012 14:31:09 GMT
True. All the MLS fans seem to have no idea about the motives behind the inconsistent decisions from MLS HQ. But even Jose Whatshisname was saying that MLS have, ultimately, gone back to Stoke with a figure that they'd accept after Cameron's protestations - and you can't imagine it would be a colossal hike? While they've got a history of being awkward, maybe they just want to put a marker down and let Euro teams that they can't absolutely take the piss with offers? The MLS fans seemed to think �1.7m was a fair enough price in the context of past MLS sales, but when you don't budge from �1.2m, you can maybe see where they're potentially coming from. With Houston and Cameron on record as supporting it, though, you'd think they'd have to let him go one way or another When you think we paid £5million for Deano £1.7 doesn't see a lot in footballing terms well worth a gamble.
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Post by mrpickles on Jul 14, 2012 14:35:11 GMT
True. All the MLS fans seem to have no idea about the motives behind the inconsistent decisions from MLS HQ. But even Jose Whatshisname was saying that MLS have, ultimately, gone back to Stoke with a figure that they'd accept after Cameron's protestations - and you can't imagine it would be a colossal hike? While they've got a history of being awkward, maybe they just want to put a marker down and let Euro teams know that they can't absolutely take the piss with offers? The MLS fans seemed to think £1.7m was a fair enough price in the context of past MLS sales, but when you don't budge from £1.2m, you can maybe see where they're potentially coming from, even though Houston themselves seem happy enough. And with Houston and Cameron on record as supporting it, you'd think they'd have to let him go one in the end, one way or another Yeah, you do have a point mate. Anyway, Geoffrey seems to think one hurdle is cleared, so presumably he had some good news from the MLS regarding the fee last night? If so, then maybe we did cave in a bit? I very much doubt it, but maybe?
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Post by sportsman on Jul 14, 2012 14:58:39 GMT
With today's sentinel saying PC thinks by the start of 2013 season stoke will be self sufficient we must be on a strict budget.
Seriously, it's just stoke playing their usual game of poker.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 14, 2012 15:01:53 GMT
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Post by yogibear78 on Jul 14, 2012 15:33:20 GMT
True. All the MLS fans seem to have no idea about the motives behind the inconsistent decisions from MLS HQ. But even Jose Whatshisname was saying that MLS have, ultimately, gone back to Stoke with a figure that they'd accept after Cameron's protestations - and you can't imagine it would be a colossal hike? While they've got a history of being awkward, maybe they just want to put a marker down and let Euro teams know that they can't absolutely take the piss with offers? The MLS fans seemed to think £1.7m was a fair enough price in the context of past MLS sales, but when you don't budge from £1.2m, you can maybe see where they're potentially coming from, even though Houston themselves seem happy enough. And with Houston and Cameron on record as supporting it, you'd think they'd have to let him go in the end, one way or another Considering some of the shit that Pulis has spent money on if this guy is any good then we should put up the extra £500k and have done with it before someone decides to step in, we'll look prize pillocks if that happens, he comes to the Prem and does the business.
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Post by Etain Tur-Mukan on Jul 14, 2012 15:48:34 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2012 16:15:50 GMT
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Post by mrpickles on Jul 14, 2012 16:54:50 GMT
Jose de Jesus Ortizþ@OrtizKicks
Stoke hasn't altered offer since July 5, source tells me. 2 sources tell me MLS counter Friday was dismissed and huge boost, near $3mil.
Jose de Jesus Ortizþ@OrtizKicks
Not only has MLS not agreed to sell @geoffcameron yet, but he will be in uniform and part of team sheet vs. DC United. He trained today.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 14, 2012 17:06:02 GMT
If we genuinely think someone can bring something to a Premier League squad, but don't think he's worth more than £1.2m, and aren't prepared to go to £1.7/£1.8m for him, something seems a bit wrong.
On the surface, you can see why MLS are digging their heels in. If we aren't budging from £1.2m, we seem to be bordering on piss-taking.
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Post by Squeekster on Jul 14, 2012 17:14:17 GMT
If we genuinely think someone can bring something to a Premier League squad, but don't think he's worth more than �1.2m, and aren't prepared to go to �1.7/�1.8m for him, something seems a bit wrong. On the surface, you can see why MLS are digging their heels in. If we aren't budging from �1.2m, we seem to be bordering on piss-taking. Lets not forget that this will be a gamble for us,granted one that won't cost the earth if it fails. If we offered $1.7million and now they have countered with $3million almost double then we might think its a piss take. He does seem that he would be able to adapt and i think he could become a verygood player for us in the right position but its all guess work till we find out for real.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 14, 2012 17:18:54 GMT
The talk was that our offer was about $2.7/$2.8m.
And most of the MLS watchers seemed to think that was in the right ballpark, based on previous deals like $3m Bolton paid for Ream last year.
If it's true that we're trying to sneak him out for about $2m, that does seem to be on the cheeky side of low
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Post by yogibear78 on Jul 14, 2012 17:20:07 GMT
Jose de Jesus Ortizþ@OrtizKicks
Stoke hasn't altered offer since July 5, source tells me. 2 sources tell me MLS counter Friday was dismissed and huge boost, near $3mil.
Jose de Jesus Ortizþ@OrtizKicks
Not only has MLS not agreed to sell @geoffcameron yet, but he will be in uniform and part of team sheet vs. DC United. He trained today. It's believable this is, we had it with Walters we unsettled him at Ipswich, Roy Keane said we are a nightmare to do business with, I remember Tuncay being pissed around on deadline day and now this, these are just the ones we know about. If I were a chairman and Stoke rang me enquiring about a player of mine I'd put the phone down
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Post by superjonnywalters on Jul 14, 2012 17:23:04 GMT
If we were prepared to pay more money for Arismendi than this Yank then it doesn't look promising.
1 or 2 mill is nothing in todays market. If we really rated him and and really wanted him to be a Stoke player we wouldn't lose out on him over £0.5m, not when the opening offer was so low in the first place.
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Post by yogibear78 on Jul 14, 2012 17:24:49 GMT
If we were prepared to pay more money for Arismendi than this Yank then it doesn't look promising. 1 or 2 mill is nothing in todays market. If we really rated him and and really wanted him to be a Stoke player we wouldn't lose out on him over £0.5m, not when the opening offer was so low in the first place. I'm glad you believe that. ;D
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Post by sufolkstokie on Jul 14, 2012 17:25:41 GMT
Jose de Jesus Ortizþ@OrtizKicks
Stoke hasn't altered offer since July 5, source tells me. 2 sources tell me MLS counter Friday was dismissed and huge boost, near $3mil.
Jose de Jesus Ortizþ@OrtizKicks
Not only has MLS not agreed to sell @geoffcameron yet, but he will be in uniform and part of team sheet vs. DC United. He trained today. It's believable this is, we had it with Walters we unsettled him at Ipswich, Roy Keane said we are a nightmare to do business with, I remember Tuncay being pissed around on deadline day and now this, these are just the ones we know about. If I were a chairman and Stoke rang me enquiring about a player of mine I'd put the phone down Funny that when Real Madrid stated we were a pleasure to deal with. Roy Keane - give me strength!
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Post by mailman44 on Jul 14, 2012 18:15:33 GMT
Who did we ever get from Real Madrid? Sidibe?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 14, 2012 18:16:58 GMT
Who did we ever get from Real Madrid? Sidibe? We didn't get anyone - that's why they thought we were a pleasure to do business with!
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Post by Etain Tur-Mukan on Jul 14, 2012 18:20:41 GMT
We tried a loan deal for someone from Real Madrid didn't we? Granero?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 14, 2012 18:21:29 GMT
Did Dave Rowson come from Real Madrid?
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Post by mrpickles on Jul 14, 2012 18:26:55 GMT
We tried a loan deal for someone from Real Madrid didn't we? Granero? It was when we were after Van Nistelrooy. They were 'supposedly' quite complimentary
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Post by Etain Tur-Mukan on Jul 14, 2012 18:43:40 GMT
Cheers mrpickles. Couldn't for the life of me remember the player.
They were complimentary about us though, i remember reading it on Marca or AS at the time with a quote from someone at Real.
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Post by mrpickles on Jul 14, 2012 20:18:56 GMT
blog.chron.com/soccer/2012/07/with-stoke-talks-dragging-cameron-set-for-d-c-united-return/With Stoke talks dragging, Cameron set for D.C. United return
Rust is never a good thing, especially if you’re a player trying to remain sharp for the you.S. national team. For that reason, Geoff Cameron wants to be in uniform and available to play against D.C. United on Sunday night at BBVA Compass Stadium. While MLS and Stoke City try to inch toward a deal and ease a gap that was almost $1 million wide early Friday afternoon, Cameron has been cleared to play after missing the last two games with a strained left hamstring. Leading up to the previous two games, Cameron told Dynamo coach Dominic Kinnear his left hamstring was still too tender to risk further injury. Cameron informed Kinnear there aren’t any health limitations anymore. Kinnear told the Chronicle after Saturday’s practice that he’ll definitely have his you.S. national team center back on the team sheet Sunday against D.C. United. Cameron also told me he’ll be in uniform and ready to face D.C. Sunday at BBVA Compass Stadium, where some fans are planning to have “Free Geoff Cameron” posters like the one designed Friday by 2011 Dynamo Fan of the Year Nigel Brooks.
Brooks even made a parody video on the MLS-Stoke City talks.
Whatever the case, Cameron, Calen Carr, Je-Vaughn Watson, Alex Dixon and Kofi Sarkodie are all healthy and ready to return after each missed at least two weeks with injuries. Dixon and Sarkodie have actually missed over a month. “We have everyone available,” Kinnear said after Saturday’s practice. “Everyone’s available, so I have to make tough decisions now. To have guys like Calen and Je-Vaughn, who was playing well before he got hurt, available and having Geoff back in the mix, to add those three players to your squad makes you a better team.” Speaking of Cameron, as of Saturday morning Stoke City had not altered it’s official offer for the Dynamo center back since July 5. MLS is well aware that he wants out, and I’m hearing league officials have promised him that they’ll try to sell him.
But, and this is a huge but, the MLS counter offer Friday afternoon was quite shockingly high and in excess of $3 million, according to multiple sources who have been briefed by MLS, Stoke or Cameron’s camp. Since that shocking counter Friday after Cameron made it clear to MLS that he wanted out of the league, it seems as though MLS and Stoke made some progress late Friday night and early Friday. “Between the club and the league there continues to be an ongoing appetite to see what the transfer market might yield for Geoff Cameron,” Dynamo president Chris Canetti said. “At this time, we’re all working through the weekend to determine if a deal can be finalized.”That must have been what geoffreys tweet was about early hours of this morning. Interesting to see that he thinks the MLS are being unreasonable by holding out for $3m
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 14, 2012 20:45:57 GMT
Why are we tight over certain deals like Cameron where 500k can be a sticking point yet were happy to waste millions on the likes of Soares, Tonge, Arismendi, Collins and Whitehead.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2012 21:49:56 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2012 21:51:57 GMT
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Post by BuzzB on Jul 14, 2012 21:58:38 GMT
our negotiating team are planks! Useless! Pay the going rate ffs. Not exactly a kings ransom is it?
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Post by stokeramblers on Jul 14, 2012 23:04:33 GMT
It's not 'off' as you say though is it. There's still ongoing negotiations.
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