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Post by mrpickles on Jul 13, 2012 22:42:34 GMT
To be fair, around $2m does seem a bit on the low side if that's nearer the mark for what we've actually put on the table. Earlier reports seemed to talk of nearly $3m. About £1.2m seems a bit on the crafty side? Quite why we're penny-pinching to this degree when we're happily giving the likes of Tonge new contracts is anyone's guess. The guy who wrote the 'it's finally all agreed' story says he's standing by his story... What a weekend it's gonna be. Haye vs Chisora Khan vs Garcia and now.... Jose vs Brian ;D Who's your money on FM? I'm going for Jose
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 13, 2012 22:50:16 GMT
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 13, 2012 23:04:40 GMT
To be fair, around $2m does seem a bit on the low side if that's nearer the mark for what we've actually put on the table. Earlier reports seemed to talk of nearly $3m. About £1.2m seems a bit on the crafty side? Quite why we're penny-pinching to this degree when we're happily giving the likes of Tonge new contracts is anyone's guess. The guy who wrote the 'it's finally all agreed' story says he's standing by his story... What a weekend it's gonna be. Haye vs Chisora Khan vs Garcia and now.... Jose vs Brian ;D Who's your money on FM? I'm going for Jose God knows! Factually they seem to be in reasonable agreement that there's been some sort of negotiation and fine tuning on the fee which will come to a head over the weekend. But in terms of spinning that, they're night and day. The Yanks Abroad bloke seems to think that's a minor hitch where as Jose Whatshisface thinks that could be a deal breaker. Could just be a case of spin where the anonymous source can tell it as he genuinely sees it and the named Houston president, on the record, has to not count his chickens in public in case it goes pear-shaped? Having read Cameron's quotes in the Houston Chronicle story, you can't see how they can keep him, all things considered? If we're talking of a chicken feed proposed fee of £1.2m, chucking a few more hundred thousand dollars at the purchase of a player we must think can add to a Premier League squad doesn't seem too much of a problem if we're serious.
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Post by mrpickles on Jul 13, 2012 23:16:53 GMT
What a weekend it's gonna be. Haye vs Chisora Khan vs Garcia and now.... Jose vs Brian ;D Who's your money on FM? I'm going for Jose God knows! Factually they seem to be in reasonable agreement that there's been some sort of negotiation and fine tuning on the fee which will come to a head over the weekend. But in terms of spinning that, they're night and day. The Yanks Abroad bloke seems to think that's a minor hitch where as Jose Whatshisface thinks that could be a deal breaker. Could just be a case of spin where the anonymous source can tell it as he genuinely sees it and the named Houston president, on the record, has to not count his chickens in public in case it goes pear-shaped? Having read Cameron's quotes in the Houston Chronicle story, you can't see how they can keep him, all things considered? Yeah, it's hard to know without hearing the way it's been put across (if that makes sense) ;D I suppose if this jose fella is getting his quotes directly from geoffrey then it could well come across as negative. Yeah fuck it, i'm going for a brian win ;D
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Post by DentySCFC on Jul 14, 2012 0:24:30 GMT
Geoff Cameron @geoffcameron One hurdle down, more to go....thanks for all the support
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 14, 2012 1:53:26 GMT
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Post by darksideofthemoon on Jul 14, 2012 5:01:21 GMT
F*ck me!!! Not one single positive point from this dull knobhead.......is there!!??
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Post by ttwarren on Jul 14, 2012 5:56:03 GMT
Are we that bad
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jul 14, 2012 6:49:37 GMT
Jesus! And we think some of the stuff written about us over here is poorly researched! His individual descriptions of our back four are laughably bad. Apparently Wilson is a centre half who we have played at left back and have also "tried" in midfield (and also doesn't feature ahead of Upson often according to this clown). I don't mind people from other countries being interested in English football but when they attempt to convince others that they are some sort of authority on the subject, it not only amuses me but judging by some of the stuff they write, makes them look fairly stupid as well!
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Post by sportsman on Jul 14, 2012 7:01:25 GMT
Trouble is our £1.2m is spread over the next 5 years.
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Post by Olgrligm on Jul 14, 2012 10:34:43 GMT
Does anybody have an English translation of that gibberish? ;D
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Post by Fenparkpotter on Jul 14, 2012 10:40:19 GMT
That article is very negative, but it is difficult to disagree with a lot of it...
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 14, 2012 10:41:59 GMT
That article is very negative, but it is difficult to agree with a lot of it... You might want to reword that. I don't think it says what you wanted it to say! ;D
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Post by Fenparkpotter on Jul 14, 2012 10:48:42 GMT
;D
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Post by harryburrows on Jul 14, 2012 10:50:16 GMT
Well it's not nice to see it in print but we've all been saying it now on here for a long time , the stats are pretty clear . I just hope the stoke management team from the chairman down see this as a real problem and drop the arrogant " us against the purists " Point of view , we all go the games to share in some collective joy and excitement , and whilst we take the losses too I can't take the lack of any meaningful effort to please the paying customers
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Post by Olgrligm on Jul 14, 2012 10:57:13 GMT
That article is very negative, but it is difficult to disagree with a lot of it... I can't understand a bloody word it says! One minute it's talking about 'defence corps' (???), the next it's got Upson as an irreplaceable centre-back and something called 'direct play in transition'. It reads like it was written by a poorly educated, inebriated baseball commentator.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 14, 2012 11:55:02 GMT
That article is very negative, but it is difficult to disagree with a lot of it... I refuse to agree with one word of anything written by a tool who refers to a back four as the bloody "defence corps"!!!!
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Post by Fenparkpotter on Jul 14, 2012 12:03:53 GMT
Use google translate You'd think Americans would love long punts and long throws, isn't their version of football just that??
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Post by roylandstoke on Jul 14, 2012 12:06:58 GMT
Personally I think the US piece is a pretty accurate summation.
We could all disagree with his account of the full back personell, but would you place a substantial bet against Huth starting at RB again next season? Upson is left footed and probably no more suited to full back than Huth. Would it stretch the imagination of TP too far to try him at LB?
Reliance on set piece, target men up front, little creativity going forward, difficulty( reluctance) to keep the ball for long, few interceptions( we sit deep with little anticipation), only play one way( with Crouch as the spearhead we are quite predictable). Is there really that much in that lot that is too far from the truth?
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 14, 2012 12:11:08 GMT
Personally I think the US piece is a pretty accurate summation. We could all disagree with his account of the full back personell, but would you place a substantial bet against Huth starting at RB again next season? Upson is left footed and probably no more suited to full back than Huth. Would it stretch the imagination of TP too far to try him at LB? Reliance on set piece, target men up front, little creativity going forward, difficulty( reluctance) to keep the ball for long, few interceptions( we sit deep with little anticipation), only play one way( with Crouch as the spearhead we are quite predictable). Is there really that much in that lot that is too far from the truth? I thought Upson had played a lot of games at full back before joining us?
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Post by 4372stokie on Jul 14, 2012 13:02:45 GMT
Terrible lazy journalism that. The stoke replies we're excellent. The debate of who should play where and style etc can go on all day, however the point that he makes about 'thug' football just irritate me. We are not thugs. We play football in a way that is hard and aggressive which is the way it should be. Within the rules. If he is so concerned with stats then look at the fair play table! Also, the comment on Shawcross is laughable. Clearly Arsenal Influenced.. Sigh..
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Post by Bombus on Jul 14, 2012 13:36:38 GMT
Use google translate You'd think Americans would love long punts and long throws, isn't their version of football just that?? +1
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Post by yogibear78 on Jul 14, 2012 13:41:19 GMT
This for me is a prime example of how shit Stoke are at transfer negotiations, this thread was started on the 18th of June, that is three and a half weeks ago, the bloke is reportedly on at least a tenth of what we can afford to pay him, he plays in the MLS and we are in the Premier League.
Shit Stoke, utter utter shit.
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Post by yogibear78 on Jul 14, 2012 13:43:25 GMT
It's a good job there doesn't seem to be any compitition, they would have it done and dusted well we are looking for a biro.
Small time.
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 14, 2012 13:46:37 GMT
Personally I think the US piece is a pretty accurate summation. We could all disagree with his account of the full back personell, but would you place a substantial bet against Huth starting at RB again next season? Upson is left footed and probably no more suited to full back than Huth. Would it stretch the imagination of TP too far to try him at LB? Reliance on set piece, target men up front, little creativity going forward, difficulty( reluctance) to keep the ball for long, few interceptions( we sit deep with little anticipation), only play one way( with Crouch as the spearhead we are quite predictable). Is there really that much in that lot that is too far from the truth? I thought Upson had played a lot of games at full back before joining us? Whoop, whoop. There we have it gents, something to look forward too.
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Post by jbstokie on Jul 14, 2012 13:52:07 GMT
This for me is a prime example of how shit Stoke are at transfer negotiations, this thread was started on the 18th of June, that is three and a half weeks ago, the bloke is reportedly on at least a tenth of what we can afford to pay him, he plays in the MLS and we are in the Premier League. Shit Stoke, utter utter shit. You're an idiot.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 14, 2012 13:53:06 GMT
This for me is a prime example of how shit Stoke are at transfer negotiations, this thread was started on the 18th of June, that is three and a half weeks ago, the bloke is reportedly on at least a tenth of what we can afford to pay him, he plays in the MLS and we are in the Premier League. Shit Stoke, utter utter shit. You're an idiot. Although expressed in an idiotic manner he does have a point
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Post by mrpickles on Jul 14, 2012 14:00:40 GMT
This for me is a prime example of how shit Stoke are at transfer negotiations, this thread was started on the 18th of June, that is three and a half weeks ago, the bloke is reportedly on at least a tenth of what we can afford to pay him, he plays in the MLS and we are in the Premier League. Shit Stoke, utter utter shit. and there is the problem. Stoke's offer is on the table, Houston have come out and said themselves that they are happy with the fee, Cameron has told the MLS that he wants the move, but the MLS are dragging their feet because they want him to stay in America. How this can turn out to be Stoke's fault I don't know.
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Post by dcrob on Jul 14, 2012 14:03:04 GMT
I get the impression the hold up is less to do with Stoke or Houston, and more to do with the fact that MLS has a more significant say in transfers than is the case in Europe. Like, getting a cut of the transfer fee, and being able to veto the deal "for the good of the league". A stupid set-up, really - both clubs want the transfer, as well as the player - but they've scuppered moves before and screwed around with players' careers because of it (see Taylor Twellman).
If MLS dicking around and/or myopia messes this deal up, nobody outside MLS headquarters will be very chuffed.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 14, 2012 14:10:36 GMT
This for me is a prime example of how shit Stoke are at transfer negotiations, this thread was started on the 18th of June, that is three and a half weeks ago, the bloke is reportedly on at least a tenth of what we can afford to pay him, he plays in the MLS and we are in the Premier League. Shit Stoke, utter utter shit. and there is the problem. Stoke's offer is on the table, Houston have come out and said themselves that they are happy with the fee, Cameron has told the MLS that he wants the move, but the MLS are dragging their feet because they want him to stay in America. How this can turn out to be Stoke's fault I don't know. Largely agree, Pickles. But around £1.2m seems a bit low. The Houston fans seemed to feel the £1.7m that was earlier mentioned was fair enough in the context of MLS - but if we haven't gone above £1.2m, you can see why MLS are maybe dragging their heels, in terms of setting a dangerous precedent for future fees. I don't blame us for trying to get him as cheap as possible obviously - but if it's this that's causing this interminable delay, surely we'll pretty quickly agree to bung another few hundred thousand dollars at them to grease the wheels. In this day and age, this kind of fee really is chicken feed. If we genuinely think he can bring something to a Premier League squad, surely we won't let the equivalent of a few months of Michael 'contract extension' Tonge's salary stand in the way
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