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Post by OldStokie on Feb 18, 2012 12:49:29 GMT
Stasi-like - blimey Old Stokie its a good job Im getting on a bit myself or I would have had to be scrabbling for the history books! I can assure you I absolutely do get it and as far as Im concerned Acres is more than polite in dealing with some views that ( just by looking at the facts never mind opinions) are clearly preposterous. I can not be doing with this sort of 'oppressed freedom of speech' line that people such as your good self come out with at convenient times
As I say, you just don't get it. The first highligted point is that we have a 4 page thread which would suggest that John has been anything other than 'polite' in dealing with those who have a viewpoint different from the party line. So you're wrong there.
Regarding the second highlighted point; you can't be doing with 'oppressed freedom of speech, and yet you and others immediately class anyone who offers cricism as 'moaners'. What's preposterous in saying that we're shit at the moment and the football is as dire as that we saw in the binary season? That's fact for yer. What's preposterous in saying that despite spending millions pre-season, we've gone backwards as a club? That's fact.
As far as the game against Valencia is concerned, I actually thought the second half display was us beginning to show some mettle again. But there are some serious issues he has to deal with; the most obvious that our system is not working. It's not just the fault of the forwards that we're not scoring. We're playing as if we're two halves of a team. One half sits back and does nothing except defend, and the other isolated half is trying to create chances to score goals. It dosn't work that way. Teams have to play together; all pushing forward when we're attacking, and all defending when we need to. That's the issue that needs addressing, but if I offer those opinions, posters like you call them preposterous.
Convenient times? There's no such thing as convenient times. If Pulis has served up the goods, I've praised him. If he serves up shit, I'll criticise him. It has nothing to do with convenience and all to do with reality of the moment, and, whether good or bad, I won't allow Stasi-like supporters stop me from having my say.
Anyway, let's not fall out big style or I'll have you shot at dawn.
OS.
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Post by RAF on Feb 18, 2012 13:03:53 GMT
Not easy RAF - have you ever heard a phone-in programme where at some point or other the presenter doesnt express a view or disagree with a caller ? I know its not your job ....but how easy do you find it not to ridicule some opinions expressed on this board or indeed the people who express them ?(dont answer that - I might end up in tears !) If you can't do the job you are employed to do then maybe you shouldn't be in that particular job. Acres obviously felt what he did was wrong, or he wouldn't have felt the need to apologise. You are right about one thing though, it is very easy to ridicule people and their opinions on here. H
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2012 16:34:02 GMT
Not easy RAF - have you ever heard a phone-in programme where at some point or other the presenter doesnt express a view or disagree with a caller ? I know its not your job ....but how easy do you find it not to ridicule some opinions expressed on this board or indeed the people who express them ?(dont answer that - I might end up in tears !) Sorry but that's a misrepresentation of what Acres does. He "disagrees" with everyone who dares to offer any kind of criticism or suggest that everything isn't rosy in the garden. It's called "Praise and Grumble" but anyone daring to grumble, even if it's a reasonable, mild point about not playing two wingers or the problems with how we're playing - is shouted down obnoxiously. How is that helpful?
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Post by Davef on Feb 18, 2012 16:50:45 GMT
Not easy RAF - have you ever heard a phone-in programme where at some point or other the presenter doesnt express a view or disagree with a caller ? I know its not your job ....but how easy do you find it not to ridicule some opinions expressed on this board or indeed the people who express them ?(dont answer that - I might end up in tears !) Sorry but that's a misrepresentation of what Acres does. He "disagrees" with everyone who dares to offer any kind of criticism or suggest that everything isn't rosy in the garden. It's called "Praise and Grumble" but anyone daring to grumble, even if it's a reasonable, mild point about not playing two wingers or the problems with how we're playing - is shouted down obnoxiously. How is that helpful? The biggest irony of course is that Tony Pulis threw his toys out of the pram after the Liverpool game last season, accusing Radio Stoke of being negative. You couldn't make it up! He should be made to sit down and listen to hours upon hours of P&G from the Boskamp season. John Acres is just about the biggest supporter he's got!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2012 17:10:48 GMT
Sorry but that's a misrepresentation of what Acres does. He "disagrees" with everyone who dares to offer any kind of criticism or suggest that everything isn't rosy in the garden. It's called "Praise and Grumble" but anyone daring to grumble, even if it's a reasonable, mild point about not playing two wingers or the problems with how we're playing - is shouted down obnoxiously. How is that helpful? The biggest irony of course is that Tony Pulis threw his toys out of the pram after the Liverpool game last season, accusing Radio Stoke of being negative. You couldn't make it up! He should be made to sit down and listen to hours upon hours of P&G from the Boskamp season. John Acres is just about the biggest supporter he's got! Yeah he threw a paddy about Gleghorn didn't he, who is far and away the most articulate, interesting and objective pundit they've used. Dissent will not be tolerated.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 18, 2012 17:13:53 GMT
I don't listen to Radio Stoke often but the times I have recently Gleghorn hasn't been on, is this down to his dissenting views or other reasons? As You say he is by far the best pundit they have.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2012 17:19:57 GMT
I don't listen to Radio Stoke often but the times I have recently Gleghorn hasn't been on, is this down to his dissenting views or other reasons? As You say he is by far the best pundit they have. Not sure, is he working for Radio Manchester or someone now?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 18, 2012 17:45:01 GMT
He has worked for them before, so maybe he is? Shame really wherever he is.
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Post by boothenender7 on Feb 18, 2012 18:21:54 GMT
acres is one of lifes argumentitive twats who would swear black was white just to be awkward, i know the nature of p&g is to provoke debate but acres is just a dick!!!
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Post by potterglen on Feb 18, 2012 18:43:22 GMT
Feel sorry for the poor old lad for suggesting Valencia were playing moderately and he was spot on. lets face it they wereinsecond gear at best and that cock Acres reckons they were fuckin ace tonight. we didnt get anywhere near them for most of the game and our ball retention was again on a par with a still pissed up shit sunday league team. Then onto the usual Acres arse tonguing specialists agreeing with his every word. we wouldnt have scored if we played til midnight! As for what our players do in training, we must work very hard at being so shit at ball retention its becoming embarrassing now. John Acres is and always has been a lazy arse when it comes to journalism. The only time he's said anything worth listening to is when he asked Pulis how the supporters felt at the end of the Liverpool away game last season having paid nearly £50 a ticket + transport to see the shite he put on the pitch. He was moved from the post shortly after and came back only recently.
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Post by elystokie on Feb 18, 2012 18:51:31 GMT
Feel sorry for the poor old lad for suggesting Valencia were playing moderately and he was spot on. lets face it they wereinsecond gear at best and that cock Acres reckons they were fuckin ace tonight. we didnt get anywhere near them for most of the game and our ball retention was again on a par with a still pissed up shit sunday league team. Then onto the usual Acres arse tonguing specialists agreeing with his every word. we wouldnt have scored if we played til midnight! As for what our players do in training, we must work very hard at being so shit at ball retention its becoming embarrassing now. John Acres is and always has been a lazy arse when it comes to journalism. The only time he's said anything worth listening to is when he asked Pulis how the supporters felt at the end of the Liverpool away game last season having paid nearly £50 a ticket + transport to see the shite he put on the pitch. He was moved from the post shortly after and came back only recently. Not likely to be popping his head above the parapet again anytime soon then. "We're Stoke and we'll manipulate the media how we want"
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Post by peterthornesboots on Feb 18, 2012 19:09:46 GMT
I quite like Acres and he's certainly a better host than Graham McGarry or Matt Sandos, however his treatment, attitude and dismissal of Harry on Wednesday was too much.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2012 20:12:05 GMT
How about they invite TP as a p&g guest and we could sort it out for once and for all and save on nigels costs as he will never ask the questions that people just want a reasonable response to
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Post by SneydGreenStokie on Feb 18, 2012 21:17:16 GMT
Feel sorry for the poor old lad for suggesting Valencia were playing moderately and he was spot on. lets face it they wereinsecond gear at best and that cock Acres reckons they were fuckin ace tonight. we didnt get anywhere near them for most of the game and our ball retention was again on a par with a still pissed up shit sunday league team. Then onto the usual Acres arse tonguing specialists agreeing with his every word. we wouldnt have scored if we played til midnight! As for what our players do in training, we must work very hard at being so shit at ball retention its becoming embarrassing now. Acres gets himself in Pure Gym, im his Plymouth attire. Trust me, he holds no torch for Stoke. He simply does his job. SGS
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2012 21:18:58 GMT
Feel sorry for the poor old lad for suggesting Valencia were playing moderately and he was spot on. lets face it they wereinsecond gear at best and that cock Acres reckons they were fuckin ace tonight. we didnt get anywhere near them for most of the game and our ball retention was again on a par with a still pissed up shit sunday league team. Then onto the usual Acres arse tonguing specialists agreeing with his every word. we wouldnt have scored if we played til midnight! As for what our players do in training, we must work very hard at being so shit at ball retention its becoming embarrassing now. Acres gets himself in Pure Gym, im his Plymouth attire. Trust me, he holds no torch for Stoke. He simply does his job. SGS The others who host P&G aren't nearly as rude, one-sided and dismissive of anyone who doesn't toe the party line though.
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Post by seddonstandviewer on Feb 18, 2012 21:20:04 GMT
He just likes Pulis and doesn't like any criticism of him. It shouldn't be held against him.
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Post by brollachan on Feb 18, 2012 21:34:10 GMT
The standards and quality of independent sports journalism in our local media has deteriorated as Stoke City's stock in the Premiership has risen - to the point where it is now difficult at times to differentiate between the local media and the club's media.
For that, you have to blame those who run our local media establishments for their lack of backbone.
The club, of course, is laughing up its sleeve at them all.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Feb 18, 2012 22:06:06 GMT
Acres gets himself in Pure Gym, im his Plymouth attire. Trust me, he holds no torch for Stoke. He simply does his job. SGS The others who host P&G aren't nearly as rude, one-sided and dismissive of anyone who doesn't toe the party line though. No but they are a damn sight more boring!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2012 22:09:55 GMT
The others who host P&G aren't nearly as rude, one-sided and dismissive of anyone who doesn't toe the party line though. No but they are a damn sight more boring! I find someone encouraging some kind of decent discussion better than someone shutting down anyone who won't happy clap.
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Post by stayingupforbigbazza on Feb 18, 2012 22:38:46 GMT
acres is a legend
do you moaners forget all the stuff he did with pottermouth etc
get a life
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Post by oldgit57 on Feb 18, 2012 22:45:16 GMT
acres is a legend do you moaners forget all the stuff he did with pottermouth etc get a life So if some poor old sod comes on p and g, not very articulate, not very positive but at least sincere in his views, and Acres shoots him down thats ok? Could be my dad, could be yours! How can that be right? Gather Acres has apologised now, but frankly from a proffesional broadcaster it was a piss poor effort!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2012 22:48:32 GMT
No but they are a damn sight more boring! I find someone encouraging some kind of decent discussion better than someone shutting down anyone who won't happy clap. Acres makes you want to throw things at the radio. The others, McGarry in particular, make you want to switch over to 5-Live. Neither is ideal, but it depends which you find more appealing, being angry or being bored. When Acres presents it, I want to switch it on. When McGarry presents it, I don't.
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Post by swampySCFC on Feb 18, 2012 23:43:18 GMT
Grow some fucking balls will ya. Its a radio show not life and death
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2012 23:47:58 GMT
Grow some fucking balls will ya. Its a radio show not life and death Who's this aimed at? Nothing on this message board is life and death. I thought we were just commenting on something of interest.
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Post by swampySCFC on Feb 18, 2012 23:55:49 GMT
Grow some fucking balls will ya. Its a radio show not life and death Who's this aimed at? Nothing on this message board is life and death. I thought we were just commenting on something of interest. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2012 0:19:08 GMT
Who's this aimed at? Nothing on this message board is life and death. I thought we were just commenting on something of interest. ;D Thanks for clearing that up for me. ;D
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Post by swampySCFC on Feb 19, 2012 0:27:42 GMT
Thanks for clearing that up for me. ;D Pleasure
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Post by spud on Feb 19, 2012 7:57:10 GMT
Im sorry but who does John Acres think he is ? Harry rings up - sounds like an elederly supporter , season ticket holder - probably been watching Stoke longer than most of us offers his opinion. Harry is very negative granted - half the time Acres puts him into a corner and harry bless him probably cannot articulate as well as he probably would like. The vibe is though as a regular he is not happy with recent performances. Yes Valencia are a quality side, street wise and better than us. However we have players who are one paced throughout the side and arguably better players on the subs bench. Im not having a go at TP here because im still behind him but recent displays entitle the paying supporter to be critical. But TP and his back room staff have brought these players in and ultimately the Manager is responsible for good times and bad. For John Acres to patronise like he did on the radio was out of order and for me lacked class. Also the callers after were clearly taken in by the spin and decided to kiss his arse. John if your reading this - just remember people are allowed to have a different view to you. If they want to come on and be critical fine thats up to them, but don't try and be a complete smart arse when you don't agree. You are supposed to be impartial are you not ? and encourage alterntaive opinion. You came across as a right patronising, self righteous twat. +1 no respect for the old gent whatsoever
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