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Post by johnsmithsupper on Feb 16, 2012 23:49:56 GMT
They are all a pale shadow, even Shawcross. I say this because when was the last to either of our centre halves actually win a header in a challenge. Time and again they were beaten in the air tonight by smaller players.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Feb 16, 2012 23:50:13 GMT
Acres has been put in his kennel by Stoke City it's as simple as that.
He wants to take a lesson or two from the Sky guy who refused to let King Kenny bully him at the weekend.
I suppose that's why Acres is on local radio.
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Post by pegleg on Feb 16, 2012 23:51:44 GMT
I too agreed with Harry. I've been watching Stoke since the 1960's and I wondered what Nigel J was thinking when Acres got on his soap box. Mr Acres, you can only learn for those with more experiance, poor Harry might not have been very articulate, but for gods sake, as a proffesional radio presenter, why didn't you try to help him a bit?
Sorry Mr Acres, but you came over as a arrogant distrespecful so and so. Hope your boss gives you a right bollocking.
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Post by prem4stoke on Feb 16, 2012 23:54:07 GMT
Moaning about John Acres now! Not long ago you all wanted him back. Stroll on...
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 16, 2012 23:54:23 GMT
I think he's a competent enough broadcaster, but he's been letting himself down badly recently. Ever since Pulis' ridiculous overreaction, and subsequent minor fallout after the Liverpool away game last season, he's been like an attack dog foaming at the mouth when anyone dares to offer any criticism of the status quo. ^This.^ I too think he's a competent broadcaster but hey he's got a baby to feed now. Seriously what would you do in Acres' position, he's not going to earn a better wedge anwhere else locally is he?
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Post by likelyladgalizmo on Feb 16, 2012 23:54:46 GMT
It doesn't really matter what Harry's views were; he was treated disgracefully by a very smug and rather vindictive Acres. And didn't all the happy clappers who were encouraged to come on afterwards to poke fun at him enjoy it! I was tempted to ring in; which is something I have never done, simply to complain about the treatment of Harry. And if Acres had bothered to listen; Harry wasn't only talking about tonight, he was talking about our recent performances and whether you agreed with every point he made or not, he made some valid points. I know that they are third in their league and a much better side than us - but if you hadn't known that, I'm not sure you would have described their performance tonight as much better than "moderate" and we were off the pace and second to most balls. Still, roll on the obvious intellectuals who phoned in afterwards to assure us all that the tie is still open and "The Potters and TP" will sort them out in Spain. I would have cried if it wasn't so funny! fumeing at the time aswell mate i would of rung in me self but prob got kicked of after 5 seconds.
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Post by Chris1863 on Feb 17, 2012 0:02:23 GMT
Im sorry but who does John Acres think he is ? Harry rings up - sounds like an elederly supporter , season ticket holder - probably been watching Stoke longer than most of us offers his opinion. Harry is very negative granted - half the time Acres puts him into a corner and harry bless him probably cannot articulate as well as he probably would like. The vibe is though as a regular he is not happy with recent performances. Yes Valencia are a quality side, street wise and better than us. However we have players who are one paced throughout the side and arguably better players on the subs bench. Im not having a go at TP here because im still behind him but recent displays entitle the paying supporter to be critical. But TP and his back room staff have brought these players in and ultimately the Manager is responsible for good times and bad. For John Acres to patronise like he did on the radio was out of order and for me lacked class. Also the callers after were clearly taken in by the spin and decided to kiss his arse. John if your reading this - just remember people are allowed to have a different view to you. If they want to come on and be critical fine thats up to them, but don't try and be a complete smart arse when you don't agree. You are supposed to be impartial are you not ? and encourage alterntaive opinion. You came across as a right patronising, self righteous twat. Hence not many people listen to the southern puff
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2012 0:08:03 GMT
Acres has been put in his kennel by Stoke City it's as simple as that. He wants to take a lesson or two from the Sky guy who refused to let King Kenny bully him at the weekend. I suppose that's why Acres is on local radio. He was summarising one of the Sheffield matches (can't remember if it was Utd or Wednesday) for 5-Live very recently, so presumably he's on the way up. From his point of view, he knows he's got to keep his nose clean with Stoke for the time being, otherwise he'll end up commentating on the Vale for the rest of his life, and his promising career will be up the spout. This still doesn't excuse his amateurish and frankly disgusting attitude towards Harry. Even worse was the way he then allowed and joined in with other callers taking the mickey. Presumably, he then realised he'd gone too far, or else someone had had a quiet word, as he then tried to reign in his earlier comments. He's a very good presenter at his best, which is why many wanted him back, including me - let's face it, he's no Graham McGarry. But he's doing himself no favours at the moment with his attitude to anyone showing any negativity to what's happening on the pitch.
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Post by johnsmithsupper on Feb 17, 2012 0:10:32 GMT
Just a disgrace to treat that man the way he did. I didn't agree with all he said but acres to conclude with "I've had enough of you now" deserves reprimand.
I notice someone dared say on Saturday when is Johnson going to ask pulis about team selection etc and acres just brushed it off. The whole radio stoke is a mouthpiece and daren't challenge anything.
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Post by johnsmithsupper on Feb 17, 2012 0:11:41 GMT
Just a disgrace to treat that man the way he did. I didn't agree with all he said but acres to conclude with "I've had enough of you now" deserves reprimand. I notice someone dared say on Saturday when is Johnson going to ask pulis about team selection etc and acres just brushed it off. The whole of radio stoke is a mouthpiece and daren't challenge anything.
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Post by Trouserdog on Feb 17, 2012 0:11:45 GMT
I used to like Acres and he's a good commentator, but he now comes across as a bully when he's speaking to callers who are perhaps not as articulate as he is.
As the anchorman of the show, surely he's there to coax the salient points out of his callers, perhaps play devils advocate now and again but not make people feel like idiots just because they're critical of the manager.
There are ways to 'toe the party line' and not land yourself out of a job without appearing to look down your nose at the very people who you are supposed to be providing a service for.
I hope someone goes on that show and wipes the fucking floor with him to be honest.
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Post by kjpt140v on Feb 17, 2012 0:11:52 GMT
Well done Maniche spot on
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Post by madasasnake on Feb 17, 2012 0:14:53 GMT
There is another thread about this - perhaps they should be merged? I have tweeted Acres to tell him that his behaviour was unnecessary - I also mentioned that there are two threads on The Oatcake about it! I doubt he'll respond.
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Post by salarycap on Feb 17, 2012 0:37:48 GMT
Acres was extremely unproffessional tonight. Harry may have been somewhat negative but he made his points far more cogently than many who are given airtime. The presenters attempt to belittle the caller and inviting others to do the same were painful to listen to, both as a Stoke fan and as a license fee payer.
Acres seems to take it personally when someone disagrees with his line. He should remember his job is to report on Stoke and provide a forum for a variety of views not to act as a PR man for the club.
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Post by bunnyscfc on Feb 17, 2012 0:42:02 GMT
Acres was extremely unproffessional tonight. Harry may have been somewhat negative but he made his points far more cogently than many who are given airtime. The presenters attempt to belittle the caller and inviting others to do the same were painful to listen to, both as a Stoke fan and as a license fee payer. Acres seems to take it personally when someone disagrees with his line. He should remember his job is to report on Stoke and provide a forum for a variety of views not to act as a PR man for the club. *applauds*
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Post by sirpineapple89 on Feb 17, 2012 0:48:56 GMT
And to think there was a petition to get the self-loving prat back reporting on the Stoke games.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 17, 2012 0:52:27 GMT
I'm not sticking up for Acres but ...
isn't he just doing his job, the fella's got a crust to earn?
Look how we perpetually slag off Adrian Durham on talksport but he's getting paid handsomely (far more than Acres is) for doing what his bossess expect of him.
Does Adrian Durham actually believe half (or even most) of the shit he spouts, does he fook but he earns a bloody good salary doing what he's told to do.
Is Acres really that different?
He's got a crust to earn too and as soon as he even dared to step out of line, TP and the club came down on his employers like a ton of bricks and off he was packed to Coventry (well Vale actually).
I very much doubt that Acres (like Durham) believes half the shit he spouts either but he's just doing his job.
If he was replaced, would anything change?
Nah ...
The issue lays elsewhere.
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Post by bunnyscfc on Feb 17, 2012 1:02:58 GMT
he tried to make a laughing stock of an oldish bloke. Tw@s trick, that is.
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Post by pegleg on Feb 17, 2012 1:08:28 GMT
I'm not sticking up for Acres but ... isn't he just doing his job, the fella's got a crust to earn? Look how we perpetually slag off Adrian Durham on talksport but he's getting paid handsomely (far more than Acres is) for doing what his bossess expect of him. Does Adrian Durham actually believe half (or even most) of the shit he spouts, does he fook but he earns a bloody good salary doing what he's told to do. Is Acres really that different? He's got a crust to earn too and as soon as he even dared to step out of line, TP and the club came down on his employers like a ton of bricks and off he was packed to Coventry (well Vale actually). I very much doubt that Acres (like Durham) believes half the shit he spouts either but he's just doing his job. If he was replaced, would anything change? Nah ... The issue lays elsewhere. You're still sticking up for Acres who was well out of order. Respect your elders
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Post by sirpineapple89 on Feb 17, 2012 1:11:07 GMT
Yep. I can accept the fact that he's just making a decent living for himself but this one just boils down to respect.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 17, 2012 1:23:38 GMT
I think it's irrelevant how old the caller was.
Talksport belittle their callers all day long.
Imagine if Harry had come on and said that he thought Pulis was the best thing since sliced bread, we were playing great this season and we were unlucky to lose tonight and Acres had belittled him for those comments, telling him he was talking shite ...
Acres would have been applauded on here tonight for being a local DJ who was not afraid of Big Brother SCFC, even though he would have been just as twatish.
The issue is, are the Radio Stoke DJ's able to present their shows without having to compromise what they say without fear of how the club might react?
Last year I was up in the North East listening to Radio Wearside (or somet similar) and their equivalent of Praise & Grumble was on and the two presenters were absolutely tearing strips off Steve Bruce - it was like giving Jarhead, the job of presenting P&G for the night ... they were laying right into anybody who phoned in sticking up for him.
I very much doubt we'll be hearing anything similar anytime soon round here.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2012 1:42:27 GMT
I think it's irrelevant how old the caller was. Talksport belittle their callers all day long. Imagine if Harry had come on and said that he thought Pulis was the best thing since sliced bread, we were playing great this season and we were unlucky to lose tonight and Acres had belittled him for those comments, telling him he was talking shite ... Acres would have been applauded on here tonight for being a local DJ who was not afraid of Big Brother SCFC, even though he would have been just as twatish. The issue is, are the Radio Stoke DJ's able to present their shows without having to compromise what they say without fear of how the club might react? Last year I was up in the North East listening to Radio Wearside (or somet similar) and their equivalent of Praise & Grumble was on and the two presenters were absolutely tearing strips off Steve Bruce - it was like giving Jarhead, the job of presenting P&G for the night ... they were laying right into anybody who phoned in sticking up for him. I very much doubt we'll be hearing anything similar anytime soon round here. Paul, I'd hope that Radio Stoke would be a bit more respectful to its callers. Its paid for by us, and is meant to represent and be for local people. Its audience during the day is largely made up (I think) of slighly more elderly listeners, so they should be more mindful when it comes to the age of the caller. Talk Sport is a different animal. Its purpose seems to be to provoke reaction, and if you don't like it, you tune in elsewhere. This isn't really an option for Radio Stoke listeners at 10pm who just want to hear about the Stoke match. Acres is a good presenter, and I agree that he's probably under pressure because of what we believe happened last season. But surely, even Stoke City would prefer the Radio Stoke presenters to shoot down dissenting voices with a bit more class and respect that he did tonight. There was just no need for it.
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Post by pegleg on Feb 17, 2012 1:46:43 GMT
Agreed, The age of the caller is irrelevent. All callers should be treated with respect. Which is where Acres failed in his duty tonight. The fact that the poor fellow struggled to be articulate is no reason to take the mick. The fact that this chap has probably seen more football than Acres has had hot dinners is relevent. This is not about Talksport or Big Brother as you call it. It's about a local BBC presenter taking the piss. And it's not on. Should Valencia turn up the wick at the Mestalla (which i hope wont happen) then Harrys 'moderate' remark may well be spot on.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 17, 2012 2:05:04 GMT
I think it's irrelevant how old the caller was. Talksport belittle their callers all day long. Imagine if Harry had come on and said that he thought Pulis was the best thing since sliced bread, we were playing great this season and we were unlucky to lose tonight and Acres had belittled him for those comments, telling him he was talking shite ... Acres would have been applauded on here tonight for being a local DJ who was not afraid of Big Brother SCFC, even though he would have been just as twatish. The issue is, are the Radio Stoke DJ's able to present their shows without having to compromise what they say without fear of how the club might react? Last year I was up in the North East listening to Radio Wearside (or somet similar) and their equivalent of Praise & Grumble was on and the two presenters were absolutely tearing strips off Steve Bruce - it was like giving Jarhead, the job of presenting P&G for the night ... they were laying right into anybody who phoned in sticking up for him. I very much doubt we'll be hearing anything similar anytime soon round here. Paul, I'd hope that Radio Stoke would be a bit more respectful of it's callers. It's paid for by us, and is meant to represent and be for local people. It's audience during the day is largely made up (I think) of slighly more elderly listeners, so they should be more mindful when it comes to the age of the caller. Talk Sport is a different animal. It's purpose seems to be to provoke reaction, and if you don't like it, you tune in elsewhere, which isn't really an option for Radio Stoke listeners at 10pm who just want to hear about the Stoke match. Acres is a good presenter, and I agree that he's probably under pressure because of what we believe happened last season, but surely, even Stoke City would prefer the Radio Stoke presenters to shoot down dissenting voices with a bit more class and respect that he did tonight. There was just no need for it. That's why I included the example of Radio Wearside (or whatever it's called). I guess we can't have it both ways ... if we're going to have a nice polite phone in, which you can listen to with a cup of horlicks and your slippers on, then we can hardly expect Nige to be probing Pulis with questions that are anything more than paying lip service. You're right, given what we've ordinarly come to expect from Radio Stoke, then Acres was out of order tonight but it really was nothing compared to a lot of phone-in shows that you can ordinarly hear.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2012 2:17:04 GMT
Paul, I'd hope that Radio Stoke would be a bit more respectful of it's callers. It's paid for by us, and is meant to represent and be for local people. It's audience during the day is largely made up (I think) of slighly more elderly listeners, so they should be more mindful when it comes to the age of the caller. Talk Sport is a different animal. It's purpose seems to be to provoke reaction, and if you don't like it, you tune in elsewhere, which isn't really an option for Radio Stoke listeners at 10pm who just want to hear about the Stoke match. Acres is a good presenter, and I agree that he's probably under pressure because of what we believe happened last season, but surely, even Stoke City would prefer the Radio Stoke presenters to shoot down dissenting voices with a bit more class and respect that he did tonight. There was just no need for it. That's why I included the example of Radio Wearside (or whatever it's called). I guess we can't have it both ways ... if we're going to have a nice polite phone in, which you can listen to with a cup of horlicks and your slippers on, then we can hardly expect Nige to be probing Pulis with questions that are anything more than paying lip service. You're right, given what we've ordinarly come to expect from Radio Stoke, then Acres was out of order tonight but it really was nothing compared to a lot of phone-in shows that you can ordinarly hear. I can understand why Nige doesn't press Pulis too hard for answers to awkward questions. Pulis tends to cut up rough with him, and you don't get a decent answer to the question anyway, so there's no point. The thing is, going back to Acres, it's not really a case of listening with a cup of horlicks and your slippers on, He can make the show interesting, as he often has, without taking the P out of callers. He's more intelligent than that, and surely, he could have just said he disagreed and put his view without talking down to the bloke. What we're left with is a possibly very upset caller, who would have got more upset as the program went on, and a presenter who's stock has fallen quite a bit because of his unnecessarilly poor attitude.
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Post by pegleg on Feb 17, 2012 2:25:39 GMT
That's why I included the example of Radio Wearside (or whatever it's called). I guess we can't have it both ways ... if we're going to have a nice polite phone in, which you can listen to with a cup of horlicks and your slippers on, then we can hardly expect Nige to be probing Pulis with questions that are anything more than paying lip service. You're right, given what we've ordinarly come to expect from Radio Stoke, then Acres was out of order tonight but it really was nothing compared to a lot of phone-in shows that you can ordinarly hear. I can understand why Nige doesn't press Pulis too hard for answers to awkward questions. Pulis tends to cut up rough with him, and you don't get a decent answer to the question anyway, so there's no point. The thing is, going back to Acres, it's not really a case of listening with a cup of horlicks and your slippers on, He can make the show interesting, as he often has, without taking the P out of callers. He's more intelligent than that, and surely, he could have just said he disagreed and put his view without talking down to the bloke. What we're left with is a possibly very upset caller, who would have got more upset as the program went on, and a presenter who's stock has fallen quite a bit because of his unnecessarilly poor attitude. Spot on owd. This has nowt to do with Big Brother, Pulis or any other radio show. I actually like Acres, but has he now showed his true colours?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 17, 2012 2:29:33 GMT
That's why I included the example of Radio Wearside (or whatever it's called). I guess we can't have it both ways ... if we're going to have a nice polite phone in, which you can listen to with a cup of horlicks and your slippers on, then we can hardly expect Nige to be probing Pulis with questions that are anything more than paying lip service. Yo u're right, given what we've ordinarly come to expect from Radio Stoke, then Acres was out of order tonight but it really was nothing compared to a lot of phone-in shows that you can ordinarly hear. I can understand why Nige doesn't press Pulis too hard for answers to awkward questions. Pulis tends to cut up rough with him, and you don't get a decent answer to the question anyway, so there's no point. The thing is, going back to Acres, it's not really a case of listening with a cup of horlicks and your slippers on, He can make the show interesting, as he often has, without taking the P out of callers. He's more intelligent than that, and surely, he could have just said he disagreed and put his view without talking down to the bloke. What we're left with is a possibly very upset caller, who would have got more upset as the program went on, and a presenter who's stock has fallen quite a bit because of his unnecessarilly poor attitude. I mentioned Nige with regard to the other threads on here this evening, where people are complaining that the station is too 'safe' ... I was suggesting the two things are linked, if you have one, then you can't have the other, if you will. As I said previously, if Acres had taken the piss out of Harry for being positive about how we're doing at the moment, then I think we would have seen a very different reaction on here tonight, even though he'd have been just as much of a twat. I dunno, maybe I just want him to have a little more cutting edge and be more aggressive - so long as he allowed to do it BOTH ways of course.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2012 2:40:58 GMT
I can understand why Nige doesn't press Pulis too hard for answers to awkward questions. Pulis tends to cut up rough with him, and you don't get a decent answer to the question anyway, so there's no point. The thing is, going back to Acres, it's not really a case of listening with a cup of horlicks and your slippers on, He can make the show interesting, as he often has, without taking the P out of callers. He's more intelligent than that, and surely, he could have just said he disagreed and put his view without talking down to the bloke. What we're left with is a possibly very upset caller, who would have got more upset as the program went on, and a presenter who's stock has fallen quite a bit because of his unnecessarilly poor attitude. I mentioned Nige with regard to the other threads on here this evening, where people are complaining that the station is too 'safe' ... I was suggesting the two things are linked, if you have one, then you can't have the other, if you will. As I said previously, if Acres had taken the piss out of Harry for being positive about how we're doing at the moment, then I think we would have seen a very different reaction on here tonight, even though he'd have been just as much of a twat. I dunno, maybe I just want him to have a little more cutting edge and be more aggressive - so long as he allowed to do it BOTH ways of course. Being aggressive with people who are up for it is OK. I can't imagine you're really in favour of picking on people just because it's easy - unless it's Dave the Rave's increasingly desperate spelling of Pallassiosss. ;D
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Post by pegleg on Feb 17, 2012 2:47:27 GMT
Paul, Of course Nige is on the safe side. I'd love for him to be a bit more probing. But i'm not on about bigger issues. Acres took the piss live on air. He was wrong to do so.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 17, 2012 2:52:41 GMT
I mentioned Nige with regard to the other threads on here this evening, where people are complaining that the station is too 'safe' ... I was suggesting the two things are linked, if you have one, then you can't have the other, if you will. As I said previously, if Acres had taken the piss out of Harry for being positive about how we're doing at the moment, then I think we would have seen a very different reaction on here tonight, even though he'd have been just as much of a twat. I dunno, maybe I just want him to have a little more cutting edge and be more aggressive - so long as he allowed to do it BOTH ways of course. Being aggressive with people who are up for it is OK. I can't imagine you're really in favour of picking on people just because it's easy - unless it's Dave the Rave's increasingly desperate spelling of Pallassiosss. ;D There's nothing for it ... I'll give him a bell tomorrow night!
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