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Post by spitthedog on Dec 1, 2011 20:58:03 GMT
He's having a shocker.
Goes missing at the back, everytime Pennant gives him the ball you can guarantee its a Kiev break, and that 'clearance' before the break!!!
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Post by AlanHansen on Dec 1, 2011 22:33:18 GMT
Not good enough, sorry.
He'll run through a wall for you I'll give him that much, but he gets beat too easily.
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Post by prem4stoke on Dec 1, 2011 22:36:07 GMT
Really?
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Post by prem4stoke on Dec 1, 2011 22:46:45 GMT
He adds so much more of an attacking element to our side don't you think. Pennant having one of his best games why? Shotton... Also their goal came from the middle (Palacious and Diao not tracking back) but then the biggest defending mistake was Higgy (didn't close him down) NOT Shotton. So if none of their attacks came from their left (Shotton) then why did he defend badly maybe your Subject should read Higgy?
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Post by oasis on Dec 1, 2011 22:47:53 GMT
He was by far our best player in the first half!
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Post by mrpickles on Dec 1, 2011 22:49:55 GMT
I'll be honest, i don't think he's all he's cracked up to be either. He's a decent enough player but nowhere near as good as some make him out to be. His defending always seems last gasp (which looks great but smacks of a lack of concentration to me) He's very frustring going forward too. Ruins a lot of good situations in attacking areas.
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Post by Ryan_Shawjosh on Dec 1, 2011 22:50:12 GMT
I'm actually in the middle of both of your opinions. I don't think he was as good as he normally is at going forward but had a very decent game defensively.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Dec 1, 2011 22:54:17 GMT
I like him however I'm still not quite sure what's his best position. Full back or out wide. He's very useful however I think I prefer Wilson.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2011 22:54:19 GMT
Better in the 2nd half. Thought first half he simply wasn't getting back quick enough, if at all, and was leaving a big gap. I like an attacking defender but not if that means he neglects his main duties.
Maybe Tony had a word at half time as he seemed to get the balance better in the 2nd half.
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Post by Irish Stokie on Dec 1, 2011 22:54:53 GMT
He gets himself on the overlap really well but doesn't seem to know what to do once he gets there. His final ball is rotten and his defending leaves something to be desired, although I thought he did reasonably well tonight. He's not a bad back up at RB but I don't think he'll ever make the grade, although I thought the same of Wilko a couple of years ago and he has proven me wrong.
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Post by borat on Dec 1, 2011 22:59:20 GMT
My man of the match tonight. Not scared put his foot in, good going forward, links up well with Jermaine, decent cross and strong. Positional play his biggest problem though.
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Post by wuzza on Dec 1, 2011 23:05:38 GMT
Well if Shotton is not good enough we can safely get rid of at least another 15 members of the squad too !
Leave the lad alone he is making really good progress.
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Post by Trouserdog on Dec 1, 2011 23:08:57 GMT
Thought he played well tonight. Made one or two mistakes, but he's much better at right back than out-wide.
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Post by lstokie on Dec 1, 2011 23:15:10 GMT
Our best player first half, went quiet second.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Dec 1, 2011 23:17:59 GMT
Thought he was our best player by some distance.
Certainly not the finished article but not sure how he can be criticised on tonight's showing?
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Post by Trouserdog on Dec 1, 2011 23:19:17 GMT
Thought he was our best player by some distance. Certainly not the finished article but not sure how he can be criticised on tonight's showing? There are always plenty of bizarre opinions on here. |
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Post by anarchicalan on Dec 1, 2011 23:22:31 GMT
He did well, but does stray out of position at times.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Dec 1, 2011 23:27:08 GMT
He did well, but does stray out of position at times. Wouldn't disagree about some of his positional play but for enthusiasm and endeavor he scored top marks tonight (and he made a few excellent challenges to boot.) |
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Post by mrpickles on Dec 1, 2011 23:30:41 GMT
Thought he was our best player by some distance. Certainly not the finished article but not sure how he can be criticised on tonight's showing? There are always plenty of bizarre opinions on here. I don't see how it's bizarre mate. It's not bizarre, just a different opinion to yours. My opinion is he wasted the ball in attacking positions on quite a few ocassions tonight. He did well defensively, but as i've said in a previous post, i worry that his defending always seems last gasp. I put this down to concentration levels. Hopefully that will improve with experience. Decent player, but not good enough for a place in our 'best' 11 for me. |
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Post by Trouserdog on Dec 1, 2011 23:32:24 GMT
There are always plenty of bizarre opinions on here. I don't see how it's bizarre mate. It's not bizarre, just a different opinion to yours. My opinion is he wasted the ball in attacking positions on quite a few ocassions tonight. He did well defensively, but as i've said in a previous post, i worry that his defending always seems last gasp. I put this down to concentration levels. Hopefully that will improve with experience. Decent player, but not good enough for a place in our 'best' 11 for me. It's bizarre because I'm correct.  ...it was actually the opening post I was referring to. I think what you've written above is fair comment. |
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Post by mrpickles on Dec 1, 2011 23:33:32 GMT
I don't see how it's bizarre mate. It's not bizarre, just a different opinion to yours. My opinion is he wasted the ball in attacking positions on quite a few ocassions tonight. He did well defensively, but as i've said in a previous post, i worry that his defending always seems last gasp. I put this down to concentration levels. Hopefully that will improve with experience. Decent player, but not good enough for a place in our 'best' 11 for me. It's bizarre because I'm correct. ;D apologies |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2011 23:37:22 GMT
He'd be alright as back up for right wing, but didn't impress me at all at right back. Hopefully prove me wrong but I'd doubt he could make it in the prem. He could be an ace champ player for someone though.
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Post by doitforever on Dec 1, 2011 23:37:25 GMT
Not surprised he was a little jaded second half, he spent most of the first trying to make up for the total failure of both Jones and Palacios to give Pennant any passing option. JP rightly pissed off if everytime you receive the ball all tour team mates start playing traffic cones.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2011 23:40:22 GMT
He's potentially a top player in the making, he needs more and more game time to sort out his positional play, personally I'd send him on loan in jan to get some regular match experience
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Post by Ddraigcoch on Dec 1, 2011 23:42:36 GMT
He did well, but does stray out of position at times. Wouldn't disagree about some of his positional play but for enthusiasm and endeavor he scored top marks tonight (and he made a few excellent challenges to boot.) He was playing against top opposition in a game to qualify for the last 32 in Europe and did not look out of place at all for large parts of the game. Tried to be positive with the ball and supported JP who returned the compliment as usual. We looked solid enough down the right it was just the middle and left handisde where we went missing for the second part of the first half. Much better second half all round. that game will be invaluable experience for Ryan. I hope. |
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Dec 1, 2011 23:47:04 GMT
Wouldn't disagree about some of his positional play but for enthusiasm and endeavor he scored top marks tonight (and he made a few excellent challenges to boot.) He was playing against top opposition in a game to qualify for the last 32 in Europe and did not look out of place at all for large parts of the game. Tried to be positive with the ball and supported JP who returned the compliment as usual. We looked solid enough down the right it was just the middle and left handisde where we went missing for the second part of the first half. Much better second half all round. that game will be invaluable experience for Ryan. I hope. I agree, mate. For me he was our best player by a distance. |
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Dec 1, 2011 23:49:47 GMT
Geez.... Must have been a different shotten I was watching! I thought he did well, especially against a side that were technically superior on the ball and played intricate triangles and quick movement. Don't get me wrong, he's not the finished article but I saw a lot of positives from his game :-)
But we all have our own point of view :-)
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Post by ursems2boots on Dec 2, 2011 0:01:50 GMT
I thought he did well!
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Dec 2, 2011 0:24:23 GMT
Must have been watching a different match, could have swore it was the Britannia though.......  Shotton, my MotM, thought he was excellent both 1st AND 2nd half!!! |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 2, 2011 0:24:28 GMT
Geez.... Must have been a different shotten I was watching! I thought he did well, especially against a side that were technically superior on the ball and played intricate triangles and quick movement. Don't get me wrong, he's not the finished article but I saw a lot of positives from his game :-) But we all have our own point of view :-) I concur. Especially playing behind the bone idle bastard that is Jermaine Pennant. One decent cross apart he was utter gash and spent the whole game complaining about perfectly decent passes that he couldn't be arsed to move for, one of which led to their goal. |
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