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Post by prem4stoke on Dec 2, 2011 0:34:01 GMT
Geez.... Must have been a different shotten I was watching! I thought he did well, especially against a side that were technically superior on the ball and played intricate triangles and quick movement. Don't get me wrong, he's not the finished article but I saw a lot of positives from his game :-) But we all have our own point of view :-) I concur. Especially playing behind the bone idle bastard that is Jermaine Pennant. One decent cross apart he was utter gash and spent the whole game complaining about perfectly decent passes that he couldn't be arsed to move for, one of which led to their goal. It was a very poor pass by Palacios that lead to the goal IMO and then add to that he strolled back
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Post by march4 on Dec 2, 2011 0:42:21 GMT
I thought Shotton was distinctly average tonight.
Not as bad as vs Liverpool but not as good as some of his previous European exploits.
I think there is a very good player within Ryan Shotton that will be seen for many years at SCFC so long as he is carefully tutored at this stage of his career.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 2, 2011 0:44:43 GMT
I agree with that completely march, he's still learning and tonight I thought he was just average as You say. But he's not going to be great every game and he does need games like this to play in and improve. Exciting prospect.
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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 2, 2011 0:44:53 GMT
I thought Shotton was distinctly average tonight. Not as bad as vs Liverpool but not as good as some of his previous European exploits. I think there is a very good player within Ryan Shotton that will be seen for many years at SCFC so long as he is carefully tutored at this stage of his career. Wish I could agree but as much as I want him to do well I don't think it will happen. He's at his best when he doesn't have time to think and acts instinctively. When he has time and has to make a decision he tends to make the wrong one. I think at 23 he's too old to get out of that bad habit. I hope I'm wrong though because he definitely has the desire.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Dec 2, 2011 0:56:03 GMT
I thought he did well considering the standard of the opposition and his lack of games , worth a run in the prem for me offers a lot more going forward than wilko
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Post by discokaraoke on Dec 2, 2011 1:00:42 GMT
Shotton for me was outstanding first half, without doubt! A bit quiet second due to the way kiev changed there system. Made a couple of rash mistakes, but hey dont they all? Can't believe some of the comments on here towards the lad, i for one want to see more of him he's an asset to STOKE CITY FC!
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Post by Danstoke82 on Dec 2, 2011 8:23:41 GMT
I thought Shotton was one of our better players. He chased his man down and made some decent tackles. His distribution was good too.
To say he had a shocker is way wide of the mark. I'd like to see Shotton given more of a chance, I think he and Pennant could become a decent partnership down the right, no disrespect to Wilko but I am really starting to like the look of Shotton in the team.
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Post by maxplonk on Dec 2, 2011 8:25:05 GMT
He was by far our best player in the first half! this
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Post by Dr Oetcake on Dec 2, 2011 9:42:59 GMT
He gets himself on the overlap really well but doesn't seem to know what to do once he gets there. His final ball is rotten and his defending leaves something to be desired, although I thought he did reasonably well tonight. He's not a bad back up at RB but I don't think he'll ever make the grade, although I thought the same of Wilko a couple of years ago and he has proven me wrong. This
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Post by sirpineapple89 on Dec 2, 2011 9:50:31 GMT
Our best defender on the night, a few excellent tackles and blocks and gave their strikers nothing. A bit rash with his passes in the opposition half but we're not used to anything spectacular with Wilko playing there, are we?
Overall, a definite contender for MOTM.
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Post by ladyinred on Dec 2, 2011 10:01:40 GMT
How opinions differ!
I thought Shotton had his best game for us so far, previously not been that convinced - but last night i thought - wow could we actually have an athletic, pacy attacking right back coming through?
Best moment was in the first half, Shotton was narrow and in line with the back 4, he spotted their player running down their left, from deep, unmarked and broke from the defensive line to cover his run and made a (just about) great tackle. The awareness and reading of the game in that situation was excellent IMHO.
Some fans moan that we don't give youth a chance and then when we do, moan that they aren't the finished article!
GIVE THE LAD A BREAK
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Post by luke2u on Dec 2, 2011 10:09:07 GMT
Some here talk about him as he was 17 or 18, but for God's sake, he's 23, and at that age you should not be talked about as a youth any more. He's just a year younger than Shawcross, who has been our captain for 1 1/2 years.
Shotton simply isn't good enough to cut it in the PL. Not good enough at defending, and doesn't have the technical skill needed to be good enough going forward. It's as simple as that.
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Post by prem4stoke on Dec 2, 2011 10:19:48 GMT
Some here talk about him as he was 17 or 18, but for God's sake, he's 23, and at that age you should not be talked about as a youth any more. He's just a year younger than Shawcross, who has been our captain for 1 1/2 years. Shotton simply isn't good enough to cut it in the PL. Not good enough at defending, and doesn't have the technical skill needed to be good enough going forward. It's as simple as that. Thats your opinion and my opinion is your wrong
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Post by ladyinred on Dec 2, 2011 10:19:56 GMT
But at 23 he is 4? years younger than our current RB, and I'd say he is currently much better than Wilko was 4 years ago.
Shotts has a new 4 year deal - if he continues to progress, then by the end of that deal we will have produced a decent Premier League player who can be part of the squad for another 5 or so years.
What other 'future' prospects do we have. The club has to develop players to become sustainable - it is not viable to spend 2 million plus on every player in the squad.
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Post by foster on Dec 2, 2011 10:34:25 GMT
Think he's a brilliant prospect and I'm happy to see him on the team sheet.
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Post by stokelad84 on Dec 2, 2011 11:15:05 GMT
But at 23 he is 4? years younger than our current RB, and I'd say he is currently much better than Wilko was 4 years ago. Shotts has a new 4 year deal - if he continues to progress, then by the end of that deal we will have produced a decent Premier League player who can be part of the squad for another 5 or so years. What other 'future' prospects do we have. The club has to develop players to become sustainable - it is not viable to spend 2 million plus on every player in the squad. Indeed, he's stronger, better in the air and has more idea going forward than Wilko. Wilko just closes his eyes and tries to steam roll his way through the defensive wall, whereas Shotton looks to pass to other people.
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Post by luke2u on Dec 2, 2011 11:17:00 GMT
But at 23 he is 4? years younger than our current RB, and I'd say he is currently much better than Wilko was 4 years ago. Shotts has a new 4 year deal - if he continues to progress, then by the end of that deal we will have produced a decent Premier League player who can be part of the squad for another 5 or so years. What other 'future' prospects do we have. The club has to develop players to become sustainable - it is not viable to spend 2 million plus on every player in the squad. Hopefully we'll see progress, but I don't think he'll be able develop his technical ability a lot more, you have to that as a youth player at the latest. When it comes to future prospects, we have to move forward there, and we have to give younger players a chance to show themselves at a higher level. If not I fear our academy slowly dies. Unfortunately TP isn't the man to help us out there as it seems.
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Post by redsaturday on Dec 2, 2011 11:17:48 GMT
Thought he played well tonight. Made one or two mistakes, but he's much better at right back than out-wide. Spot on
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Post by elystokie on Dec 2, 2011 11:55:46 GMT
I thought Shotton was one of our better players. He chased his man down and made some decent tackles. His distribution was good too. To say he had a shocker is way wide of the mark. I'd like to see Shotton given more of a chance, I think he and Pennant could become a decent partnership down the right, no disrespect to Wilko but I am really starting to like the look of Shotton in the team. I agree. He's also my sons' favourite player, he was chuffed to bits to see him start last night, apparently he's 'ninja'
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Post by casper113 on Dec 2, 2011 12:05:18 GMT
sorry guys but he's no prem player,, he makes mistake after mistake,, i would like to see him loaned out to a lesser club to get some game time behind him,,, maybe in 12 months time he will be a better player,, but at the mo hes a risk to the side
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Post by fortressbritannia on Dec 2, 2011 12:11:14 GMT
I think he played well what some people have got to consider that wasn't our strongest team. .I think Shotton would have played better in our strongest line up as he would have had better options
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Post by philupthebrit on Dec 2, 2011 12:15:57 GMT
The boy played well - or I'm a camel with six humps
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Post by nantwichstokie on Dec 2, 2011 12:16:10 GMT
Pennant pissed me off. He moans and groans all fukin game yet is the one player in the side (especailly last night) that will unlock the oppo defence. Give it a rest Jermaine and play with a smile on your face. Thought he worked hard enough to be fair but he is feeling sorry for himself at the moment.
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Post by prem4stoke on Dec 2, 2011 12:20:29 GMT
So far to summarize what we think of Shotton, we can see why Pulis has a difficult job here this is what we have. 15% think is isn't good enough 46% think he should be our right back 39% think he needs more time
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Post by sirpineapple89 on Dec 2, 2011 12:26:27 GMT
sorry guys but he's no prem player,, he makes mistake after mistake,, i would like to see him loaned out to a lesser club to get some game time behind him,,, maybe in 12 months time he will be a better player,, but at the mo hes a risk to the side How daft.
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Post by potterpaul on Dec 2, 2011 12:32:18 GMT
sorry guys but he's no prem player,, he makes mistake after mistake,, i would like to see him loaned out to a lesser club to get some game time behind him,,, maybe in 12 months time he will be a better player,, but at the mo hes a risk to the side It's a good job you don't apply that theory to other players, if you did we'd only be able to feild 4 players a game
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Post by luke2u on Dec 2, 2011 12:41:08 GMT
So far to summarize what we think of Shotton, we can see why Pulis has a difficult job here this is what we have. 15% think is isn't good enough 46% think he should be our right back 39% think he needs more time When you're 23, you don't have more time. Are you good enough, you play regular 1st football.
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Post by ParaPsych on Dec 2, 2011 12:47:21 GMT
Why is it always a black and white choice on here of being good enough to be 1st choice or being of no use to us?
The third way is a future as a squad player who comes in to the team from time to time but isn't first choice. It might not be an ideal future for him, but it could suit the squad very well.
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Post by lordb on Dec 2, 2011 12:51:28 GMT
strangest thread for ages
I thought he was fine
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Post by prem4stoke on Dec 2, 2011 12:54:56 GMT
So far to summarize what we think of Shotton, we can see why Pulis has a difficult job here this is what we have. 15% think is isn't good enough 46% think he should be our right back 39% think he needs more time When you're 23, you don't have more time. Are you good enough, you play regular 1st football. I'm just relaying on what others have said in this post I personally think he should start every game. Read through the post again you will see where I got the info from. I agree with you your either good enough or your not at 23. I think hes good enough OK?
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