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Post by swampmongrel on Dec 2, 2011 13:02:36 GMT
I thought he was pretty decent.
His good form in Europe creates an interesting problem for TP because we're not exactly known for accommodating attacking full backs of his type.
I doubt very much that TP would be interested in a similar type of player at another club and I would be surprised to see him start a PL game this season (unless it's an emergency).
It's hard to imagine what sort of future he has at Stoke.
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Post by scfcwebby on Dec 2, 2011 13:13:57 GMT
Geez.... Must have been a different shotten I was watching! I thought he did well, especially against a side that were technically superior on the ball and played intricate triangles and quick movement. Don't get me wrong, he's not the finished article but I saw a lot of positives from his game :-) But we all have our own point of view :-) I concur. Especially playing behind the bone idle bastard that is Jermaine Pennant. One decent cross apart he was utter gash and spent the whole game complaining about perfectly decent passes that he couldn't be arsed to move for, one of which led to their goal. What the flying fuck has JP got to do just so people dont slag him off... he had the best game out of all 13outfield players that got on the pitch tonight his tracking back AGAIN was superb, he troubled their LB 95%of the time he ran at him.... the ball across for Kenwyne was one of the best ive sewn this season and for the purpose of the thread him and shotton linked up superbly!! why hasnt he got the right yo be pissed off when we cant finish a 10yard pass to hi m???
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Post by onyourbonce on Dec 2, 2011 16:08:30 GMT
This is the most rediculous thread eva! By far one of our better performers las nyt, him and pennant stood out for me! Some people.......
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Dec 2, 2011 16:18:44 GMT
Anyone else see him in Revo's in Castle wearing this t-shirt? Hardly 'shittin' on the competition' in the game, although he did do ok.
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Post by tazi on Dec 2, 2011 16:48:04 GMT
On a couple of occasions due to his burst of pace over the first yard he saved us from what could have been dangerous positions...
Thought he looked ok to be honest. Some poor stuff but also some good stuff inbetween.
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Post by y2j on Dec 2, 2011 19:53:36 GMT
I thought he was triffic. Full of Energy, attacking presence and he can defend. Not sure how we can criticise him to be honest.
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Post by potterglen on Dec 2, 2011 19:56:59 GMT
He's having a shocker. Goes missing at the back, everytime Pennant gives him the ball you can guarantee its a Kiev break, and that 'clearance' before the break!!! Don't know what game you were watching last night, he was excellent with Pennant and Palacios - unlike the clowns on the left flank, Diao and Delap were dire! Felt sorry for Higgo getting lumbered with those two.
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Post by Staying up for Grandadstokey on Dec 2, 2011 20:26:13 GMT
All Shotton needs is more games at first team level , he does make a few mistakes , but I'm afraid that is part of the learning process. He is definitely a promising player and I think he should be first choice Right Back at the moment as he has a better all round game than Wilko.
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Post by stevoyork on Dec 2, 2011 20:41:05 GMT
I'm with team shotton! He's stoke through and through, love him
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Post by mattythestokie on Dec 2, 2011 20:50:46 GMT
I thought he played quite well, solid at the back, good overlaps and support to pennant. Although he does need to work on his crosses, my only negative point.
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Post by swampySCFC on Dec 3, 2011 0:03:07 GMT
Rs was OK. No better or worse than anyone else. So what the fuck is the point of this thread?
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Post by mrpickles on Dec 3, 2011 0:29:50 GMT
It always suprises me how sensitive some people get when threads like this are started. I've genuinely seen nothing but reasoned arguments for why some of us don't think he's quite the player that others do.
There has been no personal abuse to Shotton, so the "leave the lad alone comments" (like he's somehow getting absolutely slaughtered by his own fans) just seems bloody daft. No one is attacking the guy, just giving their honest assessment of Ryan Shotton as a footballer. Well as far as i can see anyway.
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Post by prem4stoke on Dec 3, 2011 1:13:52 GMT
Rs was OK. No better or worse than anyone else. So what the fuck is the point of this thread? I think there is more point to this thread than most others on here, hes potentially our best up and coming local talent come through our ranks or should we talk about bloody Steve Bruce or a Kestrel obviously not spotted in the ground?
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Post by Stokiedokie on Dec 3, 2011 12:56:48 GMT
Shotton did OK. A few moments of hesitancy in his overlap play, but otherwise did the job required of him. Plus we'll need him in the side to replace Tory as our hunan cannon ;-)
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Post by Stokiedokie on Dec 3, 2011 12:59:21 GMT
Feckin predictive text. I wasn't suggesting any slur against Mr Delap!
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Post by march4 on Dec 3, 2011 13:21:43 GMT
Feckin predictive text. I wasn't suggesting any slur against Mr Delap! ;D Whatever next; Boris Johnson in midfield
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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 3, 2011 13:46:03 GMT
Feckin predictive text. I wasn't suggesting any slur against Mr Delap! ;D Whatever next; Boris Johnson in midfield Thatcher could still do a job in the holding role.
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Post by Ddraigcoch on Dec 3, 2011 14:10:56 GMT
;D Whatever next; Boris Johnson in midfield Thatcher could still do a job in the holding role. There is only one box she is going in. Harsh but fair
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Post by march4 on Dec 3, 2011 14:48:46 GMT
Thatcher could still do a job in the holding role. There is only one box she is going in. Harsh but fair Those of us around in the 80's know that Thatcher wouldn't have been a striker
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Dec 3, 2011 17:24:30 GMT
Had a steady game. Seem to remember one rip snorter of a tackle in the first half though...
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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 3, 2011 17:29:54 GMT
Thatcher could still do a job in the holding role. There is only one box she is going in. Harsh but fair Only just saw that!!! Very good......although Thatcher and box has created a very unpleasant image in my warped mind!!!!
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 3, 2011 17:45:51 GMT
Ironically, considering he is supposed to be so good on the ball (or at least he is if you listen to some on here), I actually thought that defensively he was fine, but going forward, his inexperience and insistence on trying to get forward at the most inappropriate times, put us in trouble a few times.
He defended well but he tried to bomb forward when we didn't have good possession of the ball and it left us exposed a few times.
He has done OK has Shotton but in my opinion, he isn't as good as Wilko yet and still has a lot to learn.
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 3, 2011 18:42:52 GMT
Ironically, considering he is supposed to be so good on the ball (or at least he is if you listen to some on here), I actually thought that defensively he was fine, but going forward, his inexperience and insistence on trying to get forward at the most inappropriate times, put us in trouble a few times. He defended well but he tried to bomb forward when we didn't have good possession of the ball and it left us exposed a few times. He has done OK has Shotton but in my opinion, he isn't as good as Wilko yet and still has a lot to learn. Nowhere near Wilko imho. I stand by my assessment of his first half performance. He improved in the second half, though was still wasteful with the ball. Yes, he linked with Pennant, but he didn't do it well. Its ok overlapping and being at hand, but if you lose possession as frequently as he did, then it puts us in trouble especially against a team so good on the break. He wasn't alone in being poor though. It's all about opinions and I respect those who differ, but I'm not convinced he's good enough for Premiership at this stage.
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Post by swampySCFC on Dec 3, 2011 23:56:53 GMT
I think you've got to put in context what the lad has been asked to do. Is he a full back, centre half, winger or striker? The way Pulis has used him would suggest he has more talent than Wilko but he needs to finfd his best slot and concentrate on that
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Post by mikeyb99 on Dec 4, 2011 11:03:46 GMT
I thought he was excellent. Exuberance and enthusiasm got the better of him a few times, but overall solid defensively and contributed to our attacking play. A full-back who will overlap! How can we not be happy?! But then I guess we have a recent history of absolutely slamming our home-grown talent.
For me, Shotton has far more potential than Wilko did, and I am a fan of Wilko. IMO we should be looking to make him first choice for next season.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Dec 4, 2011 11:29:35 GMT
This is a tricky one. On the one hand he isn't as young as TP often suggests and in fact he's played the equivalent of a couple of seasons at League 1 and Championship level. On the other hand he is very inexperienced for his age at Prem level and didn't make his debut in the Prem until late last season against Blackpool.
Given his inexperience, I'd say he's doing fine. He's certainly up to the standard of the European teams we have met and I think there is a reasonable chance that he can establish himself as a valuable squad player at Prem level. Beyond that it will be down to how well he takes his chances at Prem level when they come along. Hopefully TP will give him those chances. He might get a start this afternoon although TP might decide to play Higgy at left back and Wilson at right back if Wilko is unfit.
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Post by Old School Stokie on Dec 4, 2011 12:20:07 GMT
What game were you at? Best player first half, helped Pennant to his best game for a while, positional better than higginbottom. When you look at where he's played this season, he's Stoke's Mr Versatility - A modern day Paul Madeley - for those newcomers - John O'Shea only better! He will become a star man - mark my words and will get in the England side before Shawcross
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Post by Beardy200 on Dec 4, 2011 12:26:30 GMT
I thought he did OK but not quite as well as some are suggesting. Yes he gets forwards and is happy to overlap and help Pennant which is great. Where it went wrong a little was too often when he overlapped he put in very poor crosses. A lot of them he made very little attempt to avoid the covering defender and just kicked it at him. On a few occasions this led to quick breaks by Kiev and we were light at the back. He has lots of potential but still think he's very naive with a lot of his decision making. Hopefully this will come and he's got most of the attributes needed. It'd still be Wilko for me at the minute.
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Post by mrpickles on Dec 4, 2011 14:03:13 GMT
I thought he did OK but not quite as well as some are suggesting. Yes he gets forwards and is happy to overlap and help Pennant which is great. Where it went wrong a little was too often when he overlapped he put in very poor crosses. A lot of them he made very little attempt to avoid the covering defender and just kicked it at him. On a few occasions this led to quick breaks by Kiev and we were light at the back. He has lots of potential but still think he's very naive with a lot of his decision making. Hopefully this will come and he's got most of the attributes needed. It'd still be Wilko for me at the minute. I agree with every word of that
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Post by Irish Stokie on Dec 4, 2011 14:09:19 GMT
What game were you at? Best player first half, helped Pennant to his best game for a while, positional better than higginbottom. When you look at where he's played this season, he's Stoke's Mr Versatility - A modern day Paul Madeley - for those newcomers - John O'Shea only better! He will become a star man - mark my words and will get in the England side before Shawcross Better than O'Shea, and in the England squad? Not in a million years.
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