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Post by mrpickles on Dec 4, 2011 17:06:26 GMT
I thought his performance was better today than it was on thursday night. Generally used the ball better (still some frustrating moments) and made a couple of cracking blocks/tackles.
Our new regular winger for away league games?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2011 17:12:08 GMT
MOTM performance for me today. I think the position suited him more as my criticism on Thurs was that he left his defensive position open to often not that other areas of his game were bad.
Today was committed and positive. A great performance.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2011 21:41:13 GMT
Shotton is a great player who with time will become our 'star' player.
He provides this team with youthfull energy and tackling that Delap cannot .
It is no coincidence that Shotton played today instead of Delap and we managed to win a game away.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 4, 2011 21:46:00 GMT
Absolute rubbish Mumf. Shotton isn't half the player that Rory is or has been and he still has a hell of a lot to learn.
Shotton was pretty poor first half but looked much better and much more comfortable when Wilko replaced Woodgate.
People say that Wilko gets the benefit of the doubt because he is a local boy but Shotton seems to even more.
I am yet to be convinced by either him, Woodgate or Crouch to be brutally honest.
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Post by Fenparkpotter on Dec 4, 2011 21:49:38 GMT
As much as I love Rory, he's been poor away from home all year. No problem seeing him in the team for home games, but for away games... unfortunately he is one of the things that needs to change if we're going to progress..
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2011 21:52:01 GMT
Delap has been a good player for Stoke that has now reached the end of his usefull worth.
In short ....He's knackered and Shotton can throw the ball just as far if need be.
Many Everton fans I have spoken to today say he was our best player.
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Post by swarls on Dec 5, 2011 12:58:34 GMT
He's a young lad, he's showing great potential just needs a bit longer then he'll come into proper form.He had a few mistakes but who doesn't!
I swear we just dig into players if they don't meet one of our standards, like any of us could do better then him. Give the lad a break.
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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 5, 2011 13:08:08 GMT
He really could go either way at the moment. He's got lots of attributes but the big question is what's his best position? He needs to tighten up defensively if he's going to be a fixture at this level. He had shown great potential but at 23 surely he should be delivering now?
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Post by matisfaction on Dec 5, 2011 13:11:21 GMT
He's a young lad, he's showing great potential just needs a bit longer then he'll come into proper form.He had a few mistakes but who doesn't! I swear we just dig into players if they don't meet one of our standards, like any of us could do better then him. Give the lad a break. How old is he 23? Give the lad a chance...
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Dec 5, 2011 13:18:28 GMT
At 23 he should have developed his bloody potential. Christ, on another thread we're talking about 19 year old Phil Jones. Shotton is not quite a right back, not quite a centre back and certainly not a right winger/right sided midfielder. I don't quite get the zeal and fervour going his way.
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Post by ParaPsych on Dec 5, 2011 13:19:43 GMT
Absolute rubbish Mumf. Shotton isn't half the player that Rory is or has been and he still has a hell of a lot to learn. Shotton was pretty poor first half but looked much better and much more comfortable when Wilko replaced Woodgate. People say that Wilko gets the benefit of the doubt because he is a local boy but Shotton seems to even more. I am yet to be convinced by either him, Woodgate or Crouch to be brutally honest. It took you a good 12 months before you realised how good Liam Lawrence is, so you may change your mind yet!
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Post by tqstokie on Dec 5, 2011 13:22:48 GMT
Young players like Shotton are the way forward. We need pace, strength and mobility in mid field. IMHO Shotton should be in the team on a regular basis. He is good enough and just needs to learn his trade at Premier level. He will only improve if he continues to play. I remember young players like Smith and Bloor, Marsh and Pejic coming into the team. Waddington persevered with them and they grew in skill and experience by playing regularly. People say he Shotton has a lot to learn. He learns nothing on the bench. we need to be patient all players make mistakes and it is playing that eliminates these. I feel we should also get Marshall back ASAP and try him as well!
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Post by prem4stoke on Dec 5, 2011 13:32:16 GMT
At 23 he should have developed his bloody potential. Christ, on another thread we're talking about 19 year old Phil Jones. Shotton is not quite a right back, not quite a centre back and certainly not a right winger/right sided midfielder. I don't quite get the zeal and fervour going his way. Yeah he's not a right sided midfielder or a right back? He played well in both positions the last two games! Our goal yesterday came from a corner he won. No goals in either game coming from the right and only conceding one in both matches. If hes not all that in some fans eyes then fair enough as long as TP picks him and he does well and were winning long may he continue to play ;D
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Post by matisfaction on Dec 5, 2011 13:35:00 GMT
At 23 he should have developed his bloody potential. Are you serious? Shotton only started playing in the first team this season, he's not had chance to play many games either, not had much game time or experience really has he? But what game time he's had he's done well. Christ, on another thread we're talking about 19 year old Phil Jones. Shotton is not quite a right back, not quite a centre back and certainly not a right winger/right sided midfielder. I don't quite get the zeal and fervour going his way. Phil Jones is not really a fair comparison is it, I thought that Shotton did very well for us yesterday and i'd rather have him on the right than seeing John Walters play there.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 5, 2011 13:40:00 GMT
I always liked Lawrence Para but did doubt whether he would be so effective in a wide position during his early days with us, if that is what you are referring to. I said from very early on that he offered more than a winger, that his touch was pretty sublime and he had an eye for a pass. I also commented on how well he linked up with Fuller but wondered whether he had the pace to contribute so much from a wide position. I guess, in that regard, he proved me wrong. Still think Liam could offer our squad something now given the lack of options as alternatives to our first choice wide players. If you were to pick any player to prove me wrong, then Walters is your man. I thought he was absolutely shit, having initially been pretty impressed with him. Since the Quarter Final with West Ham, he has really developed into a fine Stoke player and has rammed my criticism of him right back down my throat. Danny Collins wasn't so lucky!
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Post by ParaPsych on Dec 5, 2011 13:44:26 GMT
I always liked Lawrence Para but did doubt whether he would be so effective in a wide position during his early days with us, if that is what you are referring to. I said from very early on that he offered more than a winger, that his touch was pretty sublime and he had an eye for a pass. I also commented on how well he linked up with Fuller but wondered whether he had the pace to contribute so much from a wide position. I guess, in that regard, he proved me wrong. Still think Liam could offer our squad something now given the lack of options as alternatives to our first choice wide players. If you were to pick any player to prove me wrong, then Walters is your man. I thought he was absolutely shit, having initially been pretty impressed with him. Since the Quarter Final with West Ham, he has really developed into a fine Stoke player and has rammed my criticism of him right back down my throat. Danny Collins wasn't so lucky! You need to give Collins more time!
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Post by PotteringThrough on Dec 5, 2011 13:45:27 GMT
Played well yesterday but needs to improve his final delivery if he's going to be playing regularly in midfield. He was up against one o fthe best left backs in the country yesterday and did his best going forward, didn't always pay off but he did try and get at them which is what we needed. Tracked back well and was solid enough defensively.
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Post by prem4stoke on Dec 5, 2011 13:47:53 GMT
I always liked Lawrence Para but did doubt whether he would be so effective in a wide position during his early days with us, if that is what you are referring to. I said from very early on that he offered more than a winger, that his touch was pretty sublime and he had an eye for a pass. I also commented on how well he linked up with Fuller but wondered whether he had the pace to contribute so much from a wide position. I guess, in that regard, he proved me wrong. Still think Liam could offer our squad something now given the lack of options as alternatives to our first choice wide players. If you were to pick any player to prove me wrong, then Walters is your man. I thought he was absolutely shit, having initially been pretty impressed with him. Since the Quarter Final with West Ham, he has really developed into a fine Stoke player and has rammed my criticism of him right back down my throat. Danny Collins wasn't so lucky! It's a good job your not our scout
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 5, 2011 13:53:40 GMT
I just have high standards prem and am notoriously impatient!
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Post by prem4stoke on Dec 11, 2011 18:51:42 GMT
Well another good game under his belt, is anybody still undecided? or see him as a liability
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Dec 11, 2011 18:58:44 GMT
I thought his performance was better today than it was on thursday night. Generally used the ball better (still some frustrating moments) and made a couple of cracking blocks/tackles. This ish!
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