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Post by cobhamstokey on Sept 4, 2011 15:33:56 GMT
I think it could work just becuase they're both tall it doesn't mean it wont. Crouch has a very good touch and with better linking of play with Palacios the chances will come from out wide. Let's not dismiss it immediately. Crouch hasn't some to be on the bench.
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Post by RAF on Sept 4, 2011 15:39:19 GMT
I don't think you will see it too often to be honest. Barring injuries I reckon it's going to be
KJ and JW KJ and CJ PC and JW PC and CJ
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Post by onionman on Sept 4, 2011 15:47:48 GMT
I don't think you will see it too often to be honest. Barring injuries I reckon it's going to be KJ and JW KJ and CJ PC and JW PC and CJ H Hopefully. I think the absence of Woodgate from the Europa squad suggests Pulis is thinking squad rotation now. Crouch doesn't have a good touch by the way. He has a bloody awful touch. I don't say that to knock him - I'm pleased we've signed him - but saying Crouch has got a good touch is like saying Robert Huth's a great overlapping full-back. All this "good touch for a big man" is stupid. Why should a big man NOT have a good touch?
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Post by mrpickles on Sept 4, 2011 16:04:01 GMT
I think (in tones mind) it will be his first choice partnership, as he would probably see them as our 2 biggest goal threats. I do think it will be more of a Home game selection though as Walters or jerome i'd imagine will play the majority (if not all) of away games, due to their willingness to hassle defenders. IF jones was willing to hunt down defenders in the same way as walters/jerome and he would work the channels a bit more i think it could work, as KJ is definately mobile enough to do it, and a lot faster than some on here give him credit for. The only problem is i cant see jones changing (not a criticism of kenwyne by the way) Every other partnership i could see working. Walters/Crouch - yes Walters/Jones - yes Walters/Jerome - yes Jerome/Crouch - yes Jerome/Jones - yes Crouch/Jones -
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Post by Olgrligm on Sept 4, 2011 16:12:01 GMT
You're dead right Mark, on every count. The way forwards is with Jones/Crouch playing as the target man and Walters/Jerome as the hard working link up man who runs at defenders and brings the wingers into play after receiving the ball from the target man. Not as catchy a name as the 'Mama role', I know, but you get what I mean. That has to be the formula up front from now on, or failing that a return to the old Ric/Mama target man/main striker partnership, with Ric back in the team.
The only hope is that after meddling last year with Carew and Jones before altering our tactics to get the best out of Jones and Walters, the manager realises this. Crouch and Jones up front would be a more expensive version of the Parkin and Sidibe partnership a few years ago.
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Post by l on Sept 4, 2011 16:13:43 GMT
I miss John Parkin.
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Post by StokieBoy31 on Sept 4, 2011 16:28:44 GMT
I'll be surprised if we don't see Jones & Crouch up front
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Post by stokelad84 on Sept 4, 2011 16:54:11 GMT
Carew and Jones didn't work for many reasons.
Carew was half fit, Jones had zero confidence and we never had two fit wingers playing.
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Post by theloudest on Sept 4, 2011 16:56:28 GMT
Crouch and Jones should be first choice every week imo.
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Post by stokie25 on Sept 4, 2011 16:59:02 GMT
The manager wants Ric gone, mark? Wars are started for less
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Post by padders01 on Sept 4, 2011 17:02:29 GMT
Carew and Jones didn't work for many reasons. Carew was half fit, Jones had zero confidence and we never had two fit wingers playing. Correct Matty was injured for the majority of their time together in the side
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Post by elystokie on Sept 4, 2011 17:11:46 GMT
I can't see how, he's fucking huge.
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Post by oasis on Sept 4, 2011 17:27:37 GMT
It will win us games but christ it will be painful to watch. (see Carew-Jones!)
Would like to see Crouch-Walters personally but I doubt TP will drop Jones, mainly because of his defensive usefulness. I hope he does though, as it might change his attitude and give him the kick up the arse he needs!
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Post by 1raytupper on Sept 4, 2011 17:27:50 GMT
...nice moan to have though, isn't it?
Should we play Walters with Jones, Walters just to the right of Jones and Crouch, Crouch with Shotton (now there's a thought), Crouch and Walters with Jones just behind 'knocking on'.
There a many scenarios all I'd like to see.
Fuller (in his prime) with Crouch...not many defences could handle that partnership.
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Post by stokefan89 on Sept 4, 2011 17:47:35 GMT
...nice moan to have though, isn't it? Should we play Walters with Jones, Walters just to the right of Jones and Crouch, Crouch with Shotton (now there's a thought), Crouch and Walters with Jones just behind 'knocking on'. There a many scenarios all I'd like to see. Fuller (in his prime) with Crouch...not many defences could handle that partnership. I can't see how anyone can moan about our current options up front. I think Pulis' preferred choice up front will be one of Kenwyne/Crouch partnering either Jerome/Walters. This will probably be rotated for cup games. I agree that Fuller in his prime with Crouch would have been a devastating partnership, however due to his age and recent injury record, I reckon Fuller's future with us could lie as an impact player to come on if we need a game-changer. As for Shotton, I personally rate him, but not as a striker. Now that we've got better options up front, he should probably be battling with Wilko for the RB spot.
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Post by RAF on Sept 4, 2011 18:16:35 GMT
I haven't seen any moaning about something that no one knows might fucking happen in the first place. I have seen a few discussions saying it probably wouldn't work though.
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Post by 11wilkosinateam on Sept 4, 2011 18:33:38 GMT
crouch and walters would start for me then towards the end if we need a goal bring on jerome or jones
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Post by ianrb1 on Sept 4, 2011 18:55:08 GMT
I think we should remember that when we had the Jones-Carew partnership, Kenwyne was badly out of sorts for various reasons.
TP will surely have a Jones-Crouch partnership as his ideal at this stage. Crouch is well capable on the deck, and different gravy to Carew in terms of quality and Jones is looking back to his best, I believe it will be given 'first go' from the options we have and I look forward to it.
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Post by minty1964 on Sept 4, 2011 19:09:13 GMT
Ha Ha Mark, you are quite right..... think though, as you stated he has bought them all to vary his options.... I no longer think we have guaranteed players in set positions...... I think he will mix and match on a regular basis,,,,stopping opposition managers second guessing who and how we will play.... TP the Maestro is on the verge of performing miracles... Dave
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Sept 4, 2011 19:09:42 GMT
I think we should remember that when we had the Jones-Carew partnership, Kenwyne was badly out of sorts for various reasons. TP will surely have a Jones-Crouch partnership as his ideal at this stage. Crouch is well capable on the deck, and different gravy to Carew in terms of quality and Jones is looking back to his best, I believe it will be given 'first go' from the options we have and I look forward to it. You could be right, Ian but it would be a big departure from TP's preferred style of front pairing as neither of them are "work-rate" forwards.
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Post by Trouserdog on Sept 4, 2011 19:24:52 GMT
I've already predicted we'd see two big men together at some point before we'd even signed Crouch.
There won't be enough mobility, work rate or creativity in that strike force...not in a million years. Walters is hardly Messi, but he can get the ball on the deck and run at people to an extent. I can't see either Jones or Crouch doing that at all.
Walters closes defenders down, tracks back into midfield and never stops working. Jones and Crouch are both too static and, in Kenwyn's case, lazy to do that kind of job.
As others have said, we need to stick with the proven system of target man up-front, hard worker in the hole. However, we've already seen how Tone is quite happy to abandon perfectly functional systems to shoe-horn new players in, and I've no doubt that he'll fall into this trap again and go with Jones and Crouch.
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Post by wingy1964 on Sept 4, 2011 19:40:13 GMT
I was in Sunderland yesterday having a pint (i'd been to the cricket Duham) when i overheard 2 Sunderland fans talking about us having Crouch,they were saying they didn't rate Bendtner he was lazy and would prefered Crouch but they wouldn't have paid 10 million for him.
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Post by numpty40 on Sept 4, 2011 20:03:29 GMT
Two of the best headers of the ball in Premier league history supplied by two of the best wingers in the Premier league. Why do people try to over analyse??
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 4, 2011 20:18:36 GMT
I am surprised by most of you.
There is no way in the world Tone would leave Crouch or Jones on the bench it will be Crouch and Jones whether it works or not.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2011 20:51:29 GMT
I see this more as a squad thing with multiple players competing for a starting place week by week
the mobile pacy link man and striker battled out between Walters, Jerome and Fuller
The big target man cum centre forward position is competed between Crouch , Jones and Sidibe
and it'll be one from each set of three playing along side one another
a good thing surely ?
competition for places front to back now
and no 'duffers' on the bench anymore
my thoughts
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Post by vickyground on Sept 4, 2011 21:15:48 GMT
Now the dust has settled a bit can anyone genuinely see a partnership of Jones and Crouch working? Not for me! Key phrases are surely; no pace, limited movement, no creativity and predictable. The best partnerships are surely going to involve pairing them off with either Walters or Jerome. One pair starts the other pair to bring on. It's going to be trial and error to see who works best with whom. The question is of course will involve finding out if Tone has the balls to start games with either of his most expensive signings on the bench? It's a great position to be in if we use it right. I just shudder at the memory of the Jones and Carew partnership that could be a forerunner if what Jones with Crouch would look like. Tone never accepted that was bollox and we were only saved from it by Carew getting injured. I hope he has privately seen the problem the rest of us saw. p.s. Anyone mentioning "mama roles" as a solution gets burned at the stake! I happen to think that in any case Jones and Walters have made a very good partnership. Yes I accept that it must change with the new signings and it will be very interesting to see what Pulis has in mind. I imagine that he will pair Jones and Crouch together at some point or other with Walters a little bit deeper, but where is Cameron in this new style team. Reckon he will just have to settle for the bench until Ric is back. Yeh, very interesting.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2011 21:33:55 GMT
What Gary said, basically.
As mind-numbingly a bad idea as it is, I think it's what we're going to see.
Let's not forget, it took Carew getting injured for Tone to give up on the KJ/JC partnership.
Nowhere near enough mobility, pace or work rate for both to play together, at least you'd think.
Hopefully we'll see plenty of rotation.
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Post by TheWiseMaster on Sept 4, 2011 21:38:09 GMT
I'm looking forward to a front three of Crouch Jones and Mama May have to wait a few weeks but that would be awesome
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Post by numpty40 on Sept 4, 2011 21:52:57 GMT
Jones and Walters are ok as a partnership but nothing special. Jones and Crouch together will scare the life out of most central defences this season, they are both good in the air but they can play with the ball at their feet. The Jones/Crouch partnership with Pennant and Matty supplying the crosses has the potential for a bucket full of goals. For those who questioned the 3 year plan, this is the answer, a solid back 4, two quality wide men, two quality strikers and a world class holding midfielder. These are exciting times to be a Stokie. Wished we could have signed Adam Johnson as well but don't want to appear too greedy!
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Post by alexk on Sept 4, 2011 21:58:43 GMT
I've already predicted we'd see two big men together at some point before we'd even signed Crouch. There won't be enough mobility, work rate or creativity in that strike force...not in a million years. Walters is hardly Messi, but he can get the ball on the deck and run at people to an extent. I can't see either Jones or Crouch doing that at all. Walters closes defenders down, tracks back into midfield and never stops working. Jones and Crouch are both too static and, in Kenwyn's case, lazy to do that kind of job. As others have said, we need to stick with the proven system of target man up-front, hard worker in the hole. However, we've already seen how Tone is quite happy to abandon perfectly functional systems to shoe-horn new players in, and I've no doubt that he'll fall into this trap again and go with Jones and Crouch. This. How many times have we seen it before? We're seeing it now, playing Huth at right-back to accommodate the inferior Woodgate. How long was Collins selected ahead of Higginbotham for? Hopefully he'll realize before it really costs us, like last season.
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